Mega Thread Trade Period: Lets get that delisted guy. He could be good, yeah?

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According to the AFL website, Brisbane want pick 18 + something else (probably a player). They also want Savage but they want him as a separate deal. Why not just include it in one deal? As far as I'm concerned Brisbane can go get stuffed.

May be we can trade Savage back for pick 18?
 

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North will probably take it.
Hopefully Grizz will demand a first round pick or throw the fart in the PSD.

Melbourne will then take it in the PSD, drop the jar at the first traning run and the fart will fail to develop.
 

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May be we can trade Savage back for pick 18?
It does sound silly, doesn't think. Why not come out and say Savage for Longer. Then again maybe Savage does not want to go to Brisbane. Which player wouldn't mind going there. It also looks like Sewell has taken himself off the shopping list.

I was just looking at phantom top 20 and there are alot of midfielders. How good is Longer compared to Lowden and can he play next year or will it take him another few years when most of our great players (midfielders) have retired. Obvioulsy would be nice to keep at least one of our first round picks and even upgrade if possible. Billy Hartung listed at 15, elite endurance compared to Hill, Blake Acres at 16, 190 cm midfielder.

I guess the trade has been disappointing so far. GWS are thinking of trading with Collingwood for Shaw, yet Sewell/Savage would be better fit for them. Carlton is not prepared to give pick 12 for savage and our first pick. Melbourne has not said what they want for pick2: sewell/savage/..
 
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This thread is living up to its title.

as far as I know we are the current premiers which means our list can't be that bad. I also think that we shouldn't be looking too far down the track - our window is HERE and NOW - we should be putting everything into winning next year

OK so we lost Franklin and that is huge not just for the BUddy factor but for the fact he kicked 60 goals this year and probably would have won the Coleman Medal if he played every game.

The good news is we have the guy who did won the Coleman Medal. Roughead just needs to play as a permanent forward - Hale out of the goal square Gunston the roaming target, Breust Rioli and Puopolo to do what they did this year and we look alright - maybe we might think about a third tallish flanker who can kick 30-40 goals type but really we are OK up forward (and has plenty of people have said their is Shoenmakers who could play up forward). Paul Chapman's name has come up and he could be useful deep into September - a luxury but certainly not a necessity

The defense of Hawthorn is strong - everyone talks about our fire power up forward but no one ever acknowledges just how damn good our back six are and have been this year. Brian Lake is a Norm Smith medalist and can play on any forward in the league. Josh Gibson is the Crimmins medalist and the partnership they have makes it very difficult for other teams to take hold of us. Stratton is the most versatile defender going around able to play on the third tall or dangerous smalls. Birchall's run was crucial for us and any one of Hodge, Mitchell and Burgoyne playing out of defense has added both hardness and skills. Shoenmakers will be back or forward but will be back. The loss of Guerra will be bigger than the loss of Franklin (for team structure and balance and hardness at the ball) BUT at least this year we started grooming an understudy in Duryea. We also have Suckling though I see him as a liability in the back half - I think he's real position should be on a wing on HHF where his weapon can be used to maximum effect. So again I don't see the real need to recruit specifically for the defense

So that leaves the midfield where we once again have the call for too many aging slow mids. That previously was not enough outside run - but Isaac Smith and Brad Hill seemed to have stopped that problem - and will now only get better with a flag under their belts. SO its back to the Mitchell, Burgoyne, Sewell, Hodge Lewis being too slow and on their last legs. Mitchell should be right to go around again ditto Hodge. Burgoyne does worry me a little but he is so efficient with the ball and has the versatility to play as a defender and a forward as well as a mid. Lewis can have spells up forward and was the one in our midfield who I think had the most disappointing year (I know most finger Sewell for that but I think you are wrong). Sewell's lack of versatility sees him in the cross hairs. We have a group of young mids clammouring for a game (Hallaran, Anderson, Langford) and I think Sewell is only being moved on to give them game time. Having said that personally I wouldn't be off loading him or Savage as they are both quality players. Come September there is no one I'd like to see more than Brad Sewell running out for us.

So where does that leave us for trade week?With the retirement of Bailey I really think we only need one ruckman - preferably the best going.

If it were up to me (and it's not) I would entertain the trade for Longer - but I would also take most of the spare Buddy cash and throw it at a short term 1-2 year contract on Dean Cox - the West Coast have got Nic Nat, Lycett and a couple of other good young ruckmen. They are out of their premiership window and the other veterans in that team (Kerr, Embley and A Selwood) have all retired. Playing Cox is halting their development and the big guy might like one last tilt at premiership glory. He's also a free agent which means we don't need to satisfy a trade with the Weagles.

If we do lose players to other clubs then I'd like our trading to be not for other players but the ruthless pursuit of higher draft picks - bundling the player with a draft pick for a higher one.

those are just my thoughts
Excellent sum up. Well thought after. I would add a hard nut mid fielder if available only...
 

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So where does that leave us for trade week?With the retirement of Bailey I really think we only need one ruckman - preferably the best going.

If it were up to me (and it's not) I would entertain the trade for Longer - but I would also take most of the spare Buddy cash and throw it at a short term 1-2 year contract on Dean Cox - the West Coast have got Nic Nat, Lycett and a couple of other good young ruckmen. They are out of their premiership window and the other veterans in that team (Kerr, Embley and A Selwood) have all retired. Playing Cox is halting their development and the big guy might like one last tilt at premiership glory. He's also a free agent which means we don't need to satisfy a trade with the Weagles.
I would be fully on board with getting Cox as long as it's via a FA deal and not on ridiculous money. Understanding that it will take a reasonable amount of coin to get him to relocate to Victoria for 1-2 seasons, but like you say the lure of another premiership might make it worth the hassle and it'd be for the greater good of the developing ruck stocks at WCE.

We'd also have the added benefit of telling people that we have "Longer Cox"...
 

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The fact they got young and lynch is rolled in with their assessment of it being a dominant trade period.

They did well with the draft picks, and they traded out Dawes and Wellingham to get those picks takes some of the gloss off.

If lynch or young were playing well I would be in admiration of them, but they had the same old problems in 2013 - Cloke the only forward that threatened, and a lack of damaging outside run. (And a defensive mindset).

Grundy is a ripper - but it hasn't really advanced their overall list too much because they got rid of two effective role players (when Dawes wasn't forced to play ruck) and replaced them with two plodders.
I get what you're saying but but I don't think they did badly out of the trade period. Sure they didn't upgrade much on their current crop of players but they have done well to secure some talents for the future. Buckley has long term plans for the club and the list managers are working well with him to get rid of the dead wood and replace it with good young talent, gradually rather than all at once. I think they will be a force in 2-3 years again because of this but right now they are getting the mature age players to fill a hole until their new crop develop.
 

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I was just looking at phantom top 20 and there are alot of midfielders. How good is Longer compared to Lowden and can he play next year or will it take him another few years when most of our great players (midfielders) have retired. Obvioulsy would be nice to keep at least one of our first round picks and even upgrade if possible. Billy Hartung listed at 15, elite endurance compared to Hill, Blake Acres at 16, 190 cm midfielder.

I've been thinking it must be a kick in the guts to Lowden seeing the Hawks chase Longer.

I guess they saw his set shots in the VFL grand final and thought ffuuu, we already have 1 David Hale.
 

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What came of that talk of Darling coming across?
That's why I am interested. Nothing in the media has been mentioned about which makes me think it was a real possibility.
Savage, Sewell and pick 18 to Melb for pick 2
pick 2 to WC for Darling?

Wouldn't happen since Melb would be getting screwed but trying to think of a way to get Darling
 
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That's why I am interested. Nothing in the media has been mentioned about which makes me think it was a real possibility.
Savage, Sewell and pick 18 to Melb for pick 2
pick 2 to WC for Darling?

Wouldn't happen since Melb would be getting screwed but trying to think of a way to get Darling
Throw Heath Shaw into the mix:

Collwood
lose Heath Shaw
gain Melbourne's second pick (let's face it, he's getting booted from the club because of discipline issues, he's not worth a high first rounder).

Melbourne:
gain Heath Shaw, Sewell, hawks first pick west coast first pick
lose pick two

Hawks:
gain: Darling
lose: Sewell + first pick

West Coast:
gain: pick 2
lose: darling, first pick.


There is no way this will happen.
 

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Throw Heath Shaw into the mix:

Collwood
lose Heath Shaw
gain Melbourne's second pick (let's face it, he's getting booted from the club because of discipline issues, he's not worth a high first rounder).

Melbourne:
gain Heath Shaw, Sewell, hawks first pick west coast first pick
lose pick two

Hawks:
gain: Darling
lose: Sewell + first pick

West Coast:
gain: pick 2
lose: darling, first pick.


There is no way this will happen.
It's not completely unreasonable but 4 way trade would never happen. Not with Collingwood involved at least. They're hard enough to deal with 1-on-1 by the sounds of things.

In this trade I think Collingwood get a fair trade.

Melbourne do really well if Sewell can play out two seasons and Heath Shaw stops being a knob.

Hawks do amazingly well.

West Coast could probably do better but may be happy if they've got their eye on someone in particular or GWS pass on Boyd.
 
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