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If Carlton were into CEY, it would have been done already. We've done that many deals with them in the last few years... Heck, we even delisted him last year!
He only really came on this year. We wouldn't have delisted him if we knew he was going to come back that strongly. This year he is rated above average in the AFL for his clearance work, contested possessions and tackling. That is exactly the player that Carlton needs to bring in to help out Cripps otherwise he is going to be driven into the ground. The question mark would be the same issue that we ended up having playing both CEY and Greenwood, and that is the lack of speed. But Carlton have a pretty quick, young side. They may be able to compensate on the spread.

Not saying that this rumour has any truth to it, but there aren't many players in the AFL that can come straight into that Carlton side and genuinely take some of the load off of Cripps. This is his first year back from an ACL, which he did about 18 months ago. He will be much better and fitter next season.
 

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I'm sceptical on how serious we would be about securing Ellis-Yeomen but he does fit the age profile we are looking for which is a positive for both of us. The main negative on your side of the ledger as I see it is that for whatever reason(s), he was only able to play 14 games in 4-seasons which resulted in him being relegated to the rookie list this year. Admittedly he has done way better than that with 12-games this year but he isn't an automatic selection if there aren't injuries or suspensions..

Your list is well served for mids, it's probably your strongest department too but that means Ellis-Yeomen is way down the current pecking order. Sloane, Gibbs, the Crouch Bros, Laird, Douglas are already in front of him and I'm sure we could find another 1 or 2 if we looked a little harder.

Based on those factors, I don't think he is going to get you anything inside the first 35-40 picks from us. Besides, if we have a pick in the mid-20's, we will be wanting to maximise it because we really need to (think about this year's results) & it is believed that the best players in this draft are going to be found inside that first 30.
I'm not sure I would bother trading him for something outside of the top 40 though, he's good depth for us and would be very handy for carlton to give Cripps support on the inside. Lyons struggled to get games too but he's been solid at the gold coast.
 

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I'm not sure I would bother trading him for something outside of the top 40 though, he's good depth for us and would be very handy for carlton to give Cripps support on the inside. Lyons struggled to get games too but he's been solid at the gold coast.
I think that is the conundrum though, he is playing his best footy this year and does serve a purpose at your club. However, I just can't see us paying overs for a guy on the rookie list either.
 

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I wouldnt be accepting a 3rd for CEY. If we make finals this year, we owe it to Cam. He was instrumental in holding us together when the fallout from Burton and Haas's preseason was at its worst. I want to hold on to him for depth. The only way I am giving him up for a lone pick is if we bundle other picks together reducing our overall number of selections.

One possible trade with Carlton and pick 1 could be with GC. If we can do a trade to satisfy them for pick 3, then we could turn it into a 3 way.

Pick 1 for pick 3 + CEY
Pick 3 for XYZ

Just need to do a deal with GC for pick 3 then.
Brahahaha no chance

CEY is worth very little at the trade table , he'd be a good trade for Carlton but he's not going to net us much

At best we may get carltons 3rd round pick for our 4th round . But that is absolutely at best scenario

More likely we just get their 4th rounder for him
 

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The OP was 37 + CEY > 26 + 55
Much closer to reality, we may however not get 55 back unless whoever had it has no use for it.

I'm sceptical on how serious we would be about securing Ellis-Yeomen but he does fit the age profile we are looking for which is a positive for both of us. The main negative on your side of the ledger as I see it is that for whatever reason(s), he was only able to play 14 games in 4-seasons which resulted in him being relegated to the rookie list this year. Admittedly he has done way better than that with 12-games this year but he isn't an automatic selection if there aren't injuries or suspensions..

Your list is well served for mids, it's probably your strongest department too but that means Ellis-Yeomen is way down the current pecking order. Sloane, Gibbs, the Crouch Bros, Laird, Douglas are already in front of him and I'm sure we could find another 1 or 2 if we looked a little harder.

Based on those factors, I don't think he is going to get you anything inside the first 35-40 picks from us. Besides, if we have a pick in the mid-20's, we will be wanting to maximise it because we really need to (think about this year's results) & it is believed that the best players in this draft are going to be found inside that first 30.
I would go the other way, it's our weakest point of our list seeing we're still lacking a bit on inside talent. Especially seeing we are in a very comfortable position in every other area. CEY doesn't solve that but does act as a good depth option.

Really I'd agree. I doubt there'd be any reason to give more than a third for CEY at the current time, or a very minor downgrade. Be a useful piece in making a shit side competitive, but is too limited to help in a meaningful way beyond that outside of good depth.
 

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Much closer to reality, we may however not get 55 back unless whoever had it has no use for it.



I would go the other way, it's our weakest point of our list seeing we're still lacking a bit on inside talent. Especially seeing we are in a very comfortable position in every other area. CEY doesn't solve that but does act as a good depth option.

Really I'd agree. I doubt there'd be any reason to give more than a third for CEY at the current time, or a very minor downgrade. Be a useful piece in making a shit side competitive, but is too limited to help in a meaningful way beyond that outside of good depth.
As I used to tell the "experts" on the Carlton board before they took my access away, we cannot be recruiting players for depth purposes only, it's top end talent we need and plenty of it.
 

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Brahahaha no chance

CEY is worth very little at the trade table , he'd be a good trade for Carlton but he's not going to net us much

At best we may get carltons 3rd round pick for our 4th round . But that is absolutely at best scenario

More likely we just get their 4th rounder for him
It really depends on if Carlton want Luko or not. If they do, then its end of story. Thats who they will take. I still think there is a very strong chance they are after Walsh. They have Curnow and McKay. What their list desperately needs is A-grade mids and they aren't going to get them in through free agency.

If they do want Walsh, then they would be motivated to trade down. But they aren't going to get a trade down by only 1 or 2 picks with something of much value thrown in. A pick swap with GC is only going to be of interest to the Suns if they want Luko. Otherwise, they will take their hand into the draft. Its pretty obvious that the Suns are going to lose May and Lynch in successive years. There is a rare opportunity that makes sense only to the Suns to take two brothers together in the hope that they can keep them long term. To me, this is a rare opportunity that is presenting itself to the Suns.

That potentially puts Walsh at pick 4. So Carlton could quite easily be interested in a trade down to pick 4 if they were confident that their man was still going to be there. If that were the case, that trade down would cost them nothing. Whatever they got extra out of the deal would be a bonus. Not saying that their dream would be CEY, but they aren't going to get a first or second rounder from St Kilda to do that. The Saints would just sit pretty and wait for Walsh, or potentially Luko to land at their feet.

Carlton only hold the upper hand if they want Luko. If they want Walsh they are pretty much going to have to take him with pick 1, or potentially accept something quite moderate to get their hands on pick 4. The only way Carlton do a deal for pick 4 is because they won't be taking Luko and as soon as they try to make that deal, everybody knows their hand and their position weakens. On the other hand, if they are willing to take picks starting at pick 6 or 7, then they can demand more. It opens up the bidding to everybody. But they would miss out on Walsh.
 

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As I used to tell the "experts" on the Carlton board before they took my access away, we cannot be recruiting players for depth purposes only, it's top end talent we need and plenty of it.
You need a mix in my opinion. You need some big bodied players that can hold team structures, physically run out games, take the brunt of the contested work in games. Your talented players need training wheels.

At the moment, Cripps is being run into the ground. You cannot let that happen next season. He needs support. You should be going at getting a Mitch Wallis and/or Dahlhaus if they are leaving the dogs. CEY and Cripps together would be slow and it would introduce its own problems. But if nothing else, it halves the contested workload that Cripps is taking by himself at the moment.
 

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You need a mix in my opinion. You need some big bodied players that can hold team structures, physically run out games, take the brunt of the contested work in games. Your talented players need training wheels.

At the moment, Cripps is being run into the ground. You cannot let that happen next season. He needs support. You should be going at getting a Mitch Wallis and/or Dahlhaus if they are leaving the dogs. CEY and Cripps together would be slow and it would introduce its own problems. But if nothing else, it halves the contested workload that Cripps is taking by himself at the moment.

I hear you ……….. but if we did recruit Ellis-Yeoman, he may only be a short-term option for us where as he could have a longer career with you guys.
 

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As I used to tell the "experts" on the Carlton board before they took my access away, we cannot be recruiting players for depth purposes only, it's top end talent we need and plenty of it.
Yeah but you can not have 22 elite 18 to 20 year olds either. You need some experienced players to help set the training standards and to meet match day expectations. This will build the culture for this group to meet.

One of the better things the GWS did over the Gold Coast Suns was to recruit senior players to show them how to prepare their body every day.
 
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I hear you ……….. but if we did recruit Ellis-Yeoman, he may only be a short-term option for us where as he could have a longer career with you guys.
He will always be praying for injuries to our senior midfielders if he stays with the crows.

He will spend most of his time on the SANFL if we have a full squad.
 

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Yeah but you can not have 22 elite 18 to 20 year olds either. You need some experienced players to help set the training standards and to meet match day expectations. This will build the culture for this group to meet.

One of the better things the GWS did over the Gold Coast Suns was to recruit senior players to show them how to prepare their body every day.
Well you can ……..… ;)

I get where you are coming from but IMO, if we are to bring in experienced 24-28yo's, then they have to be something better than VFL players and/or list fillers. We are being ridiculed by all and sundry right now for recruiting the likes of Mullet, O'Shea & Shaw so I cannot see us fall for that trick a second time.
 

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Yeah but you can not have 22 elite 18 to 20 year olds either. You need some experienced players to help set the training standards and to meet match day expectations. This will build the culture for this group to meet.

One of the better things the GWS did over the Gold Coast Suns was to recruit senior players to show them how to prepare their body every day.
The other thing is that if you do have an overload of top end talent from the draft, if they kick on and become very good - you end up with huge salary cap issues and other clubs coming in to poach them. You do need a mix of players at the club - elite and workhorses that can play at a good level. CEY being mid 20's and having shown some great contested work after a year out with an ACL could easily provide a chop out for a Cripps and be there for a number of years. He would not cost the earth and it makes an immediate improvement to the team. It would be an absolute disaster if Cripps told the club he has had enough at the end of his contract and wants to be traded and if he feels that there is no light at the end of the tunnel for the next few seasons, it is a hard one. What do Carlton do then? - load up with yet more kids in the draft???
 

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As I used to tell the "experts" on the Carlton board before they took my access away, we cannot be recruiting players for depth purposes only, it's top end talent we need and plenty of it.
How much access have you had to top end development? I would say your issues are much worse, in that you need to clean out literally everyone who is involved in your football department before you could even consider it. Otherwise you're just wasting talent other clubs would spin into top line players. Also get rid of SOS, or just move him into a negotiation role. He is a hack of a list manager.

That said, both are doable at the same time. The pick CEY would be worth isn't where you find top end talent, unless you fluke it. Of course at times another hardened, big body in the midfield could do well in protecting the next gen.

I hear you ……….. but if we did recruit Ellis-Yeoman, he may only be a short-term option for us where as he could have a longer career with you guys.
Odds are he'd have a much longer career with you then us. He may get another contract, but players don't survive long being pure depth.
 
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Well you can ……..… ;)

I get where you are coming from but IMO, if we are to bring in experienced 24-28yo's, then they have to be something better than VFL players and/or list fillers. We are being ridiculed by all and sundry right now for recruiting the likes of Mullet, O'Shea & Shaw so I cannot see us fall for that trick a second time.

I guess it’s the standard of the experience player you recruit.

Mullet, O’shay and Shaw wouldn’t even make our reserves better.
 

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Hello Fellow-birds, Alex Keath, is he gettable? Contract Status? I liked how he played last year.
Hard to say, maybe? He hasn't really established himself, mature age and has had injury issues. Mind you there is something there that is worth persisting with.

Out of contract next year.
 
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Hello Fellow-birds, Alex Keath, is he gettable? Contract Status? I liked how he played last year.
I’ll try again. This time with respect.

His value on the trade table would be low but his value to the club would be high. We would want far more than you would be willing to pay. I don’t think he is untouchable but it would take a good deal to get it over the line.
 

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Hello Fellow-birds, Alex Keath, is he gettable? Contract Status? I liked how he played last year.
If we could turn it into Francis then maybe. Keath is our only back up KPD. I would also like to see if he can displace Hartigan in the team. Not much between them.

Definitely wouldn’t want us to give up Keath without bringing in competent depth in his place.
 
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