trade thoughts...

[Z_K]

Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
No doubt about you CJ ... I did indeed coach Dylan a couple of years before the Dragons picked him up. He was, and is still, a quality kid. I spoke to Denis Pagan about him last year after the Tiges did the Roos over at Colonial, and at that stage he said he had Dylan earmarked for a regular senior position before the end of 2001, and leadership roles down the track ... appears he's changed his mind.

Hopefully my faith in the kid is not tainted by my familarity ... but watching him as a 15 year old was what I would have imagined it would have been like watching Nathan Buckley at the same age ... And I certainly wouldn't want him at Tigerland if he's not up to it.

Hamstring problem stuffed Dylan up last year, but has been in the best for the two's every week for the last 6 weeks. Will play this year (maybe even this week) and will be a star.

 

[nut]

I would Keep Fiora. I think he will hit his peak as soon as they stop giving him neagative roles. He is a natural footballer who has been held back IMHO. He would be the type of player if let go would haunt us for the rest of his career.
Another pre-season under his belt and a few extra kilo's is all he needs.

A Bowden trade is an interesting one. So is Tivendale. Both similar plays that draws the attention from other clubs. Bowden has the more complete package where as Tiv's is a kicker.
Bowden would command a descent player but would be reluctant to go. Bowden for a first round pick nothing less.

Tivendale however is not a bad one to let go. He is a player that normally plays well when the hold side is on top but goes missing when the going gets tough. Round two pick.

Rogers is to old and will retire along side Knights.

I think that we should reduce our list and have extra picks in the draft. Take a few gambles on some youngsters. Trade a couple of our wingmen to get some more picks in the top 50.

I think if Chaffey keeps his form up he will be pushing for all-Australian selection. Untouchable.

Don't even mention trading Torney.

Hilton might get something?

Bidders?? well if someone wants him then they can have him for pick 101.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Nice post nut .... gotta agree with most of all that, except I'd have Bowdo on the untouchables lists too. This year he has been getting harder at it each week ... and is slowly become a tougher option in the midfield.

Thanks for the info on Dylan northbhoy ... and dogboy you are right - he used to eat footys for breakfast as a kid ...

 

[Dee B]

Radical trade

Delist Rodgers & Knights. Thats a big saving. Trade Holland & Tivendale for Carey. How immobile will Holland be coming back from a reco? Carey can play full forward, Ottens CHF, Richo on ball or Centre Half Back. I dont think alot of ferals will like it, but it would certainly get the joint jumpin. We could do alot worse and remember he is mates with Crocker. Its short term thinking I no, but remember we have been in the doghouse for 22 years!!!
Trade Fiora/Torney/King for any half descent midfielder. Anything that breathes is better than what we have got. Do not give up first round pick (hopefully top 4), under any circumstances.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Re: Radical trade

Originally posted by Dee B
Delist Rodgers & Knights. Thats a big saving. Trade Holland & Tivendale for Carey. How immobile will Holland be coming back from a reco? Carey can play full forward, Ottens CHF, Richo on ball or Centre Half Back. I dont think alot of ferals will like it, but it would certainly get the joint jumpin. We could do alot worse and remember he is mates with Crocker. Its short term thinking I no, but remember we have been in the doghouse for 22 years!!!
Trade Fiora/Torney/King for any half descent midfielder. Anything that breathes is better than what we have got. Do not give up first round pick (hopefully top 4), under any circumstances.

Carey ughhh nooooooo
We may have been in the doghouse for 22 years but recruitng older players(ie hasbeens) like Carey is one reason why..If we are going to get any established players we should be looking at ones no older than 25...Though personally would prefer us to concentrate 100% on youth if possible but i digres...



btw welcome

 

[blurton]

We put in so much effort to keep Holland - for a reason! Some players come back from reconstructions better than others. Look at Joel Smith, he's still pretty nimble.

 

[Dean3]

Holland

Apparently Dutchie's knee is going very slowly - still in a brace and on crutches with some swelling. I'd say that has set him back a month or two and I'd be surprised if he made it for round 1 2003.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

UNTOUCHABLE-
ottens,richo,gasper,holland,campbell,torney,chaffey,stafford.

AT THE RIGHT PRICE-
tivendale,bowden,hall.

TRADABLE-.
king,rogers.

CUBS-
pettifer-major dissapointment .
coughlan-too bloody slow.

IF ONLY OUT OF CONTRACT IT WOULD BE GOODBYE
biddescombe,hudson.

cheers!

 

[Patrick Bateman]

coughlan-too bloody slow.

He's not really .. He'll be a decent player

 

[dogboy23]

Originally posted by tiger of old
UNTOUCHABLE-
ottens,richo,gasper,holland,campbell,torney,chaffey,stafford.

Would have thought Holland,Stafford,Chaffey and Torney are all very tradeable.

 

[Portia]

The number of players that seem to be tradeable reminds me of the Bulldogs a couple of years ago when the Eagleton trade was made that saw Montgomery, Powell and Cameron set adrift.

 

[Zombie]

Just wondering what the Richmond fans are now thinking of the whole debacle of the Ben Holland trade at the end of last year?

K.Johnson and S.Goodwin were just a few of the names Adelaide may have traded to get Holland. Didn't happen and situations remain the same : Richmond still needs a midfielder and Adelaide still needs a key forward.

Some teams need to take a leaf out of Port Adelaide's book who have successfully recruited Hardwick, Montgomery, D.Waeklin, M.Bishop and J.Schofield in the last few years all who have been top performers for the Power who are now genuine premiership contenders. You need to give a bit to get a bit, some teams seem to be too scared that they are getting screwed at trading time to actually make any big trades. Adelaide is a prime example, need a good tall forward? Let's get a player who does nothing for bottom side freo and a player who is always injured and lets expect them to perform miracles and not get injured.

Some teams really need to get some balls when trading time comes around.

 

[dogs105]

Originally posted by Zombie
Just wondering what the Richmond fans are now thinking of the whole debacle of the Ben Holland trade at the end of last year?

K.Johnson and S.Goodwin were just a few of the names Adelaide may have traded to get Holland. Didn't happen and situations remain the same : Richmond still needs a midfielder and Adelaide still needs a key forward.

Some teams need to take a leaf out of Port Adelaide's book who have successfully recruited Hardwick, Montgomery, D.Waeklin, M.Bishop and J.Schofield in the last few years all who have been top performers for the Power who are now genuine premiership contenders. You need to give a bit to get a bit, some teams seem to be too scared that they are getting screwed at trading time to actually make any big trades. Adelaide is a prime example, need a good tall forward? Let's get a player who does nothing for bottom side freo and a player who is always injured and lets expect them to perform miracles and not get injured.

Some teams really need to get some balls when trading time comes around.

I don't want to hijack the Richmond board, so maybe you could come over to the Adelaide board and post this there, and we could debate it. However, Nathan Bassett, Darren Jarman, Mark Stevens, Matthew Clarke, and now Matthew Bode have all been very good players for the Crows, obtained in 'give a bit and get a bit ' trades. Andrew McLeod has been a handy pick up, and the Crows gave up a youngster that they rated highly at the time to get him.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by Zombie
Just wondering what the Richmond fans are now thinking of the whole debacle of the Ben Holland trade at the end of last year?

K.Johnson and S.Goodwin were just a few of the names Adelaide may have traded to get Holland. Didn't happen and situations remain the same : Richmond still needs a midfielder and Adelaide still needs a key forward.

Some teams need to take a leaf out of Port Adelaide's book who have successfully recruited Hardwick, Montgomery, D.Waeklin, M.Bishop and J.Schofield in the last few years all who have been top performers for the Power who are now genuine premiership contenders. You need to give a bit to get a bit, some teams seem to be too scared that they are getting screwed at trading time to actually make any big trades. Adelaide is a prime example, need a good tall forward? Let's get a player who does nothing for bottom side freo and a player who is always injured and lets expect them to perform miracles and not get injured.

Some teams really need to get some balls when trading time comes around.

granted our midfeild needs a kane johnson andy goodwin type no arguments about that.
however as it has been proved[sadly] if we did trade holland for those mentioned we would be pluging one hole and causing another.bigmen of hollands size dont grow on trees and his value down back this year has been sorely missed.

our trading record isnt to bad i must say.
*traded bond to freo for no3 pick [gained ottens]
*traded mckee and no7 pick to coll for king and no3 pick [fiora]
*traded no17 pick and daffy to swans for stafford.

cheers!

 

[Dean3]

Trades

OK Holland has done his knee, but I'm glad we didn't go thru with the Kane Johnson trade. At his age he is ripe for soft tissue injuries, and he has a history of them too. He is forever pulling a groin, twanging a hammy or straining a calf.

 

[Rodan#18.]

johnson

The rumour coming from the clubs inner sanctum suggested Spud wasn't prepared to punt Holland on a two-time premiership player( kane Johnson)...who might not be 'hungry enough.'

I'm not saying it's true...or (if it is true) that I agree with his opinion. Attitude is hard to guage sometimes.

I doubt goodwin was offered up....trouble was there weren't too many big guys around to replace Holland...as we've found out.

i suppose Gale could've gone around again...James broke down, Steinfort wasn't considered up to it....Bourkey was no holland.

Richmond now need 3 guys with height and 2 midfield drivers.

 

[AFLTN]

Think Bowden and Tivendale are the best bets to get good draft picks etc.
Bowden frustrates like no other - but he would still fetch a decent return

 

[Tigerblood]

Agreed. Bowden would be the best one to trade if we wanted to give up something good to get something good. Only a complete moron would have traded Holland - good centre half backs... how many of them are out there? About 10 - compared to about 30 good midfielders.

 

[diggler]

You guys totally overate Holland. He has been at the club 6 years, has only ever had one good season, is very one dimensional on who he can match upon. Now if we could of got Johnston for him, the club has stuffed up big time to me.
If Frawleys comments were true that he was a 2 time premiership player and wouldnt be hungry enough. Well that just goes to show you that spud nows jack ****e about football. Its funny how all those two time flag players are totally dominating this year. Spud has never played football for a successful club, never played in a premiership and he will never coach us to a flag with poor descision making like that.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

once again diggler you have shown what a complete tool you are.
i guess our backline is running pefectly without holland?
btw who are you anyway what are your qualifications as far as coaching goes?
you seem to know more than spud.

and of coarse you would know better when it comes to how hungry a player with 2 flags on his belt.

oh and btw johnson wanted to stay in adelaide for at least one more year.

your nothing but a turncoat diggler so why dont you do us all a favour and go barrack for some other side.hell id even feel sorry for that club.

 

[Rodan#18.]

..i'd trade first pick and Chaffey for a decent in-and-under on baller.....

trade second pick and Tivendale for another good on baller .

Cameron Cloke with 3rd pick ( F and S)
Lucas McGhie with 4th (f and S)

another on baller 5th

another tall ...6th.

Hopefully offload Clinton King and Biddiscombe and Houlihan for draft picks.

Show Sziller and Hudson the door. Mills would be nervous.

Having said that...if the right trade wasn't found...we'd keep chaff and tivvers and draft young on-ballers instead.

Knights and Rogers on last chance.

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by Zombie
Just wondering what the Richmond fans are now thinking of the whole debacle of the Ben Holland trade at the end of last year?

K.Johnson and S.Goodwin were just a few of the names Adelaide may have traded to get Holland. Didn't happen and situations remain the same : Richmond still needs a midfielder and Adelaide still needs a key forward.

Some teams really need to get some balls when trading time comes around.

Kane Johnson yes, he wanted to go home to Melbourne. Goodwin was not offered.

Anyway, sorry mate, but you have got the entire wrong end of the stick here, in that Adelaide were willing to trade Kane Johnson for Ben Holloand.

Johnson is the better player of the two, Holland is just bigger & can take a key position.

This was a pretty fair deal as Adelaide offered it, Adelaide needed a key position player, Tigers needed a good midfielder. Kane Johnson has been the best midfielder this season amongst a pretty good bunch in Adelaides midfiled. Yes, I do mean better even than McLeod.

Richmond scotched this deal, not Adelaide. Richmond would not offer Kane Johnson a decent salary. Offered him considerably less than he was getting in Adelaide. The very player who wanted to play in Melbourne and could fix Tigers midfield woes, and Richmond offered him a pittance. Then they further put the mozz on any trade by off-loading Daffy to relieve the cap pressure, and were able to offer Holland enough to stay.

Sorry Zombie, but this one was like many other deals Adelaide have tried to make - offer a fair deal but the other side will not trade.

Still, I'm not upset by it at all. Kane Johnson is a better player than Holland, has played far better footy this year, and has stayed at Crows. Crows have managed the best of this non-trade by far.

Thanks Richmond.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

A Crows supporter with an imagination .... How quaint.

 

[Bulldog1954]

We'll give you Nathan Eagleton for a pair of boots and 3 buckets of KFC. Have we got a deal???

 

[TheFoxhat]

Originally posted by Bulldog1954
We'll give you Nathan Eagleton for a pair of boots and 3 buckets of KFC. Have we got a deal???

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