Trade

[TheLeftFist8]

However may be willing to trade Mark Williams as have heard he does not get along well with Clarko - don't exactly see eye to eye.

We need another quality backman which you guys have plenty of would like the Bock Dog and don't sell Rutten short as i think he is still absolute quality.

I could see us bringing in Mitch Thorp next year which may solve our backline dilemma but he is more known as a forward.

Will trade Tim Boyle for a hotdog with sauce. If i push the deal i will hold out for cheese as well.

No thanks on Boyle, we'll stick with Gill in that case.

Williams is an interesting one. Strange on-field persona with his gun-shootin' antics etc so i am not sure if he could be a Crowbot (may not be a bad thing). However, something he does have which our current forwards don't (except Porps) is natural forward instincts, class, and a great kick for goal. I'd be hoping Porps to be a midfielder next year, so Williams could slot in well imo.

What is he worth? From our point of view it certainly wouldn't involve Rutten or Bock for a FP/HFF player.

 

[BunjiMac]

If williams really does want to leave and would consider Adelaide, i say to hawthorn lets sit down and hammer out a deal.

What would Hawthorn possibly want for Williams? I'm not sure... they are already such a strong list, I'm not sure what we have that they would want.

 

[latinoheat]

i would go after Beau Waters...... anyone know his contract status?

 

[TheLeftFist8]

If williams really does want to leave and would consider Adelaide, i say to hawthorn lets sit down and hammer out a deal.

What would Hawthorn possibly want for Williams? I'm not sure... they are already such a strong list, I'm not sure what we have that they would want.

Would pick 28 do it?

We paid it for Symes last year, and while Williams is older, he is also more damaging.

Be a pity to give up pick 28 though, as pick 44 would be our 2nd pick (I'd certainly do it for Varcoe but not Williams due to age considerations). Having said that, no certainty on any pick i guess.

Maybe a player would be better but who would we give, who would they want?

What would be the value gap either way between Williams and Reilly or Douglas?

 

[Ugottabjokin]

It's not so much Williams wanting out but rather Clarko not liking him. I have a feeling that we may end with with Mundy from Freo as Willo is a WA boy. However, that said he did sign for 2 more years so maybe Clarko and Willo will make the best of each other.

Hawks won't trade for draft picks they are in premiership window mode now and will only trade to top up minor deficencies. Have too many kids can't get game time. Thorp, Muston, Moss, Dowler, Tuck, Bailey ( did his knee twice now but is actually listed as the second tallest player in the AFL ). Throw in a few struggling to make seniors in Boyle, McGlynn, Clarke and Stokes ( Off the rookie list but probably will percevere with ).

Is Reilly really trade bait?

You sure i can't convince anyone to take Boyle???

 

[Ugottabjokin]

Sorry remembered one more kid that goes alright in Morton.

I think McGlynn will have some trade value this year.

 

[JunX]

Why trade for players at all... All this talk about trading for a forward. Crows have Walker is coming through, Seller also. Tippet is getting better and moran wins my vote...

Hawthorns star forwards in roughhead and franklin both debuted when they were 18, and given game time, in 2 years they have became stars. IMO, put 2 years into Walker and Moran as key forwards, and forward line issues solved.

And leave rutten alone... His year wasnt horrible by any standard, he wasnt at his best either. His AA year, our midfield was all experience and class, and the ball didnt get down to rutten as much. We had the best defense in the comp, and 4 of the 6 AA were adelaide I think.This year our experience and class of the senior midfielders was all but gone, joncock was out of form, bassett was stuggling with age related injuries, and we are rotating a group of players through the middle with less than 50 games unde rtheir belts. Of course the ball will be down the backline more, and truck cant stop everything.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

What do people think are our overall trade needs?

For mine, trades can be divided in top-level, big name, list defining trades OR list supplementing, filling in the gaps, low-level trades. Both have value if you fill the right niche.

I'll rehash this from another thread re my proposed trade needs/wants for this year:

high-level trades (give up good players/picks) for:
- A-grade midfielder no older than 26 (Didak)
- A-grade tall forward no older than 23 (Roughead...extremely unlikely!!);

low-level trades (give up reasonable player/picks but not pick 10) for:
- proven defensive midfielder who is <25yo (McGlynn as good an example as any, would cause the additional delisting of Campbell post trade week)
- proven 3rd tall defender no older than 26 (would result in delisting of Gallman or Massie)
- a class medium/small forward no older than 26 (eg Varcoe/Mark Williams).

 

[Mad Dog]

There is a fair difference between trade bait........and those considered not untouchable.

I would consider we only have a handfull of not negotiables froma talent and structure point of view.

Rutten and Bock - structure
van Berlo - fabric of the club
Walker and Porps - talent
Maric - ruckmen are hard to come by
Dangerfield - our first "first-rounder" that might actually be able to play the game.

Other than that - everyone is tradeable.......but not necessarily considered trade bait. Sure you would listen to offers.....but you wouldn't shop them around.

 

[noddy]

not only would I trade Rutten and pick 10 for Roughead everyday of the week, i would invent new freaking days just so I could the deal more than 365 times a year!!!!!!!

It's hard to express just how much I might pay for Roughie should he be available.

Rutten & pick 10 is not pants down time, its life long membership to a nudist aerobics colony.

Man i'll beat you hands up in going pants down at that deal

Nudist colony "minus" the aerobics of course.

 

[The Ironist]

I just heard a small rumour around town that a three way trade that includes Adelaide, Melbourne and Fremantle is being discussed. Rumour has it that Freo are after Griffen to replace Warnock who is heading back to Vic. Apparently the trade could look something like this


Fremantle Melbourne Adelaide
Warnock Plus 37 to Sylvia Plus 19 to Griffen Plus 28


Each team Gains
Fremantle - Griffen + Pick 28
Adelaide - Sylvia + Pick 19
Melbounre - Warnock + Plus 37

Stay tuned

 

[Punchy Demons]

I just heard a small rumour around town that a three way trade that includes Adelaide, Melbourne and Fremantle is being discussed. Rumour has it that Freo are after Griffen to replace Warnock who is heading back to Vic. Apparently the trade could look something like this


Fremantle Melbourne Adelaide
Warnock Plus 37 to Sylvia Plus 19 to Griffen Plus 28


Each team Gains
Fremantle - Griffen + Pick 28
Adelaide - Sylvia + Pick 19
Melbounre - Warnock + Plus 37

Stay tuned

Dont like that at all.

Adelaide is a huge winner in that trade. They pick up Sylvia 22 year old(#3 pick '03) & #19.

Sylvia has started to get his body right & started showing what he is capable of in the second half of the season. I would perhaps look at it if the crows 2nd round pick was headed to Melbourne rather than Freo but then it probably wouldn't be fair on Freo then.

That would not be a good trade in my opinon & I can't see Melbourne excepting that.

 

[WALL-e]

Freo would be lucky to get a piece of toast for Warnock as Melbourne have the #1 PSD pick.

I'd be looking at moving our first pick up a little to attack Zeibel

 

[Mego Red]

I just heard a small rumour around town that a three way trade that includes Adelaide, Melbourne and Fremantle is being discussed. Rumour has it that Freo are after Griffen to replace Warnock who is heading back to Vic. Apparently the trade could look something like this


Fremantle Melbourne Adelaide
Warnock Plus 37 to Sylvia Plus 19 to Griffen Plus 28


Each team Gains
Fremantle - Griffen + Pick 28
Adelaide - Sylvia + Pick 19
Melbounre - Warnock + Plus 37

Stay tuned

Love it - won't happen. Melbourne get dudded, we get too much.

MAYBE Melbourne get Warnock, our third and Freo's third. That would be picks they could use for Thomson and Prismall. But still ...

 

[Vince Van Mackay]

Dont like that at all.

Adelaide is a huge winner in that trade. They pick up Sylvia 22 year old(#3 pick '03) & #19.

Sylvia has started to get his body right & started showing what he is capable of in the second half of the season. I would perhaps look at it if the crows 2nd round pick was headed to Melbourne rather than Freo but then it probably wouldn't be fair on Freo then.

That would not be a good trade in my opinon & I can't see Melbourne excepting that.

I'm sorry, but the pick at which a player was taken in the draft is irrelevant, especially considering it was 2003.

 

[Hilfy]

I believe most Melbourne supporters rate Sylvia quite highly, and I agree that he is showing signs of improvement. Was at the Ess v Melb game and he very nearly won the game for the Dees.

He aint going anywhere

 

[Coopers]

Also, why would we trade the Griff?

He's the only other real ruck from Ivan on our list!

 

[Punchy Demons]

I'm sorry, but the pick at which a player was taken in the draft is irrelevant, especially considering it was 2003.

Well that may be the case but I am simply pointing out that he was a high draft pick & finally started to show something in the last half of the season.

Problem is the trade proposed is not fair to all clubs especially Melbourne.

Don't like the trade & couldn't possibly see the Melbourne coaching & recruiting staff excepting this either.

 

[The Ironist]

Well that may be the case but I am simply pointing out that he was a high draft pick & finally started to show something in the last half of the season.

Problem is the trade proposed is not fair to all clubs especially Melbourne.

Don't like the trade & couldn't possibly see the Melbourne coaching & recruiting staff excepting this either.

Hey this is just something i heard and we all know that alot of rumours are thrown up this time of year. Also you might find that Melbourne rate Warnock very highly and with a race between melb, carlton and other vic clubs, you might find ruckman being traded at a very high cost. While midfielders like sylvia are a dime a dozen, young ruckman like warnock and griff are Gems. i dont think melb would mind losing a high second round pick (19) (considering they have 1 & 17) plus an average midfilder if it meant they solve there ruck problem for the next ten years. Also Griffen could be looking for more gametime seeing he is now adelaides forth ruck option and going home to WA may not be a bad outcome.

 

[Cap]

Dont like that at all.

Adelaide is a huge winner in that trade. They pick up Sylvia 22 year old(#3 pick '03) & #19.

Sylvia has started to get his body right & started showing what he is capable of in the second half of the season. I would perhaps look at it if the crows 2nd round pick was headed to Melbourne rather than Freo but then it probably wouldn't be fair on Freo then.

That would not be a good trade in my opinon & I can't see Melbourne excepting that.

there is a rumour hanging around that Griffin is off to Freo in exchange for pick 24 or something that Melbourne give for Warnock (obviously exact details a bit shabby)

personally that seems like we would be getting dudded a fair bit, but as I said stupid rumour 99% likely to be untrue as trade week is still a month off.

 

[Punchy Demons]

Hey this is just something i heard and we all know that alot of rumours are thrown up this time of year. Also you might find that Melbourne rate Warnock very highly and with a race between melb, carlton and other vic clubs, you might find ruckman being traded at a very high cost. While midfielders like sylvia are a dime a dozen, young ruckman like warnock and griff are Gems. i dont think melb would mind losing a high second round pick (19) (considering they have 1 & 17) plus an average midfilder if it meant they solve there ruck problem for the next ten years. Also Griffen could be looking for more gametime seeing he is now adelaides forth ruck option and going home to WA may not be a bad outcome.

Fact is the Melbourne coach (Bailey), would mind losing pick 19. he has already said that it won't be used in a trade. As I have previously said the only way I think Melbourne would trade either pick 17 or 19 is if it is for an upgraded 1st round pick.

I really think that we just need to sit back & see what club Warnock nominates. If he chooses Melbourne we will only offer #35 or get him for nothing in the PSD. If he chooses Carlton, they will offer #24. I think it is highly unlikely that he won't nominate a preferred club.

IMO he will choose Carlton anyway & Freo will get #24. He will be lured to Carlton as success shouldn't be to far away as opposed to Melbourne.

 

[Bacon8]

Sylvia 22 year old(#3 pick '03)

Might be lucky, and you can trade him for Aaron Fiora (#3 pick '99)! But ask nicely.

 

[guitar god]

Why trade for players at all... All this talk about trading for a forward. Crows have Walker is coming through, Seller also. Tippet is getting better and moran wins my vote...

Hawthorns star forwards in roughhead and franklin both debuted when they were 18, and given game time, in 2 years they have became stars. IMO, put 2 years into Walker and Moran as key forwards, and forward line issues solved.

And leave rutten alone... His year wasnt horrible by any standard, he wasnt at his best either. His AA year, our midfield was all experience and class, and the ball didnt get down to rutten as much. We had the best defense in the comp, and 4 of the 6 AA were adelaide I think.This year our experience and class of the senior midfielders was all but gone, joncock was out of form, bassett was stuggling with age related injuries, and we are rotating a group of players through the middle with less than 50 games unde rtheir belts. Of course the ball will be down the backline more, and truck cant stop everything.

Finally someone's talking sense!
Like i said why are we even considiring trading rutten, who (along with bock) is the main reason why our defence is the best in the league. And to the person considering trading scotty thompson, I am glad you are not doing the trades.

 

[-CG-]

Hey this is just something i heard and we all know that alot of rumours are thrown up this time of year. Also you might find that Melbourne rate Warnock very highly and with a race between melb, carlton and other vic clubs, you might find ruckman being traded at a very high cost. While midfielders like sylvia are a dime a dozen, young ruckman like warnock and griff are Gems. i dont think melb would mind losing a high second round pick (19) (considering they have 1 & 17) plus an average midfilder if it meant they solve there ruck problem for the next ten years. Also Griffen could be looking for more gametime seeing he is now adelaides forth ruck option and going home to WA may not be a bad outcome.

Surely the Club wouldn't let him see himself as the fourth ruckman, as I would imagine he wouldn't be rated so. Quite clearly is form slid due to his hip injury, which eventually left him in surgery. He was, and still is, our number pure ruckman. He's an excellent tap ruckman. Any thought of him being behind Moran and Tippett for a ruck spot is just, well, absurd.

 

[Mego Red]

Finally someone's talking sense!
Like i said why are we even considiring trading rutten, who (along with bock) is the main reason why our defence is the best in the league. And to the person considering trading scotty thompson, I am glad you are not doing the trades.

No - Geelong has the best defense in the league.

Which somes from having the best midfielders, winning contests in the middle.

We would consider trading Rutten because you have to give up something of value in order to get something of value. And Rutten is finding the numbers of forwards that he suits lessening with each year, as the game moves away from gorilla power forwards.