Trading For The King

[GhostofJimJess]

I bounced this idea around on the Roar Power board - to a lukewarm response, mind you.

So in my ongoing (and inevitably fruitless) search for acceptance by the football community, I'll throw the idea in here as well, just to gauge a reaction from Tiger fans, and whoever else can be bothered ...


Getting In On The Carey Deal
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I think we are all in agreeance that if we are to benefit from this years draft and pre-draft, then we must be aggressive, and even slightly obtuse in our approach. That is, we might have to break ties with one or more of our previously-considered non-"expendable" types ...

With this in mind, I'll throw a name into the mix ...

Andrew Krakuoer.

Now before you all jump down my throat, let's look at his development, or lack therof, so far. Two years at the club. Around about 20 games in the ones, for just a handful of goals. And not too much else really. Compared to Rodan, Krakuoer has been very disappointing.

I know he is considered a long-term prospect, but he has shown very little so far, despite far more opportunity for far less output than the likes of Poyas, Pettifer, Ednie and Mills, to really back up this claim.

Being the son of a Roos legend, there's every chance that the boy will mean a bit more to them - sentimentally and romantically speaking. Even to the point that they might see him carrying a greater currency than he's actually worth to the other 15 clubs in the comp, including us.

So, how about we weigh in on the Carey to Adelaide deal. We offer the Roos Andrew Krakuoer - they pass on Carey to Adelaide - and the Tigers put in a play for someone like Steinglein, Perrie, Biglands, or someone else of quality that I haven't thought of. (I've said before that I don't rate Kane Johnson as highly as some others, but for Andy Krakuoer, he might be okay. At 24 years of age, is it a fair age trade anyway?).

Or is Krakuoer worth the risk ?
Can we afford to wait for him ?

Any other realistic suggestions to get in on the deal ?

 

[sandeano]

Funny you should mention that, as I was thinking today that young Andy has taken a long time to develop and honestly, he has not made a whole lot of progress since that first game against Essendon.

Yeah, I know he is only a lad, but still....I would have expected a litle more by now and it was disappointing to see him not bother contesting a mark in the latter stages of the Crows game. Sure, his opponent was far taller, but man, you have to give it a go, no matter what.

Here's the problem - we trade him now and next year is his time to blossom into a champion. On the other hand we hang onto him and once again his season is mediocre and by next season's end his value has dropped to nothing.

A risky business....

 

[Tigerbob]

If we let go of Andy, in 5 years time we will be killing ourselves!!

Patience, patience.

 

[Rodan#18.]

Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
I bounced this idea around on the Roar Power board - to a lukewarm response, mind you. So in my ongoing (and inevitably fruitless) search for acceptance by the football community,

For what'w worth Ghost, IMHO..you have a better footbal brain than most and your ideas are always interesting. last time I looked we were third from the bottom...we need brainiacs working overtime on a way to get us up. I admit that i copy, from time to time , the better ideas and e-mail them to the club...sometimes get a response too. Trust me, they know this forum exists.

Getting In On The Carey Deal
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I think we are all in agreeance that if we are to benefit from this years draft and pre-draft, then we must be aggressive, and even slightly obtuse (obscure ?)in our approach. That is, we might have to break ties with one or more of our previously-considered non-"expendable" types ...

With this in mind, I'll throw a name into the mix ...

Andrew Krakuoer....Can we afford to wait for him ?
Any other realistic suggestions to get in on the deal ?

It's a good idea...radical, yes. But everything has to be looked at...Tiger Of Old would move on bowdo//Diggler would swap Spud with anyone available...I'd consider Chaffey, Dunc, rogers, King as tradeable...we all have our methods. We need 'em all at 14th place.

I think the trick is identifying a target...the best Mums go shopping with a list and stick to it.
We need 3 talls...to stick in the team in case Staff, Richo, Holland and gaspar all strain ankles the same weekend. They're only development/young /back up types like Ray Hall used to be....so we can't target Lucas or Grant who are gong to expect to play every week. Lack of Key possie players killed us this year.

3 on ballers. IE : 2 Coughlans and another Rodan. Enough said.
Draft them...#'s 4, 20, 36. If we can trade on another 3rd round pick then take McGhie as well.
Biglands would be BIG help...so would the others...Stenglein...we need more accountability...Knights would never chase his own man downfield...I don't think Bowden does either and he can't relably kick set-shots.
A straight swap of bowdo for nick stevens would work for me

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/2002.html

 

[CJH]

I tend to agree Ghost!

In Krakouer's defence, he was always seen as needing time to develop and next year was the one where he was to start delivering. Do we hold faith that he will or do we trade for something with a little less risk?

What cannot be denied is that Krakouer has skill - more skill in the fingernail of his left pinky than most players would accumulate in a lifetime - and potential. However, I know that potential and $2 will get me a cappucino at the shop downstairs!

Maybe we should give up this expensive and futile search for a small forward - 3 places on our list this year have been devoted to this end - and get what we really need. That is, crack midfielders and tall defenders.

 

[diggler]

Trade Bowden and Kracker to North, in exchange for Kane Johnston and a 5th round pick. Carey to Crows of course. We have to many receivers, Bowden is the most attractive one to offload.

 

[CJH]

Originally posted by diggler
Trade Bowden and Kracker to North, in exchange for Kane Johnston and a 5th round pick. Carey to Crows of course. We have to many receivers, Bowden is the most attractive one to offload.

Johnson is as every bit as much a receiver as Bowden.

 

[Rodan#18.]

Originally posted by diggler
Trade Bowden and Kracker to North, in exchange for Kane Johnston and a 5th round pick. Carey to Crows of course. We have to many receivers, Bowden is the most attractive one to offload.

: swap Bowdo for Nick stevens....or keep him.

: A 5th round pick...???? translates into # 85. I'd be a good bet at # 85 and I'm 34 with really poor disposal on the left foot...

: krak'r is 19 years old...considering his potenial was an investment that only cost a mid third round pick...give him a go.

try this :

King for a 3rd pick...anyone
Rogers for Ackland,,port
Dunc for Hille...ess

4 : On-baller
20 : on-baller
36 ; on-baller
traded 3rd round : (F and S) McGhie.
52, 68, 84, and Ist round Pre-season draft : best available.

Delist :
Knighter, Huddo, Sziller, Bidders, Houli....

We get : 3 talls, 3 top on/ballers...4 more for depth.
That's a good list...

 

[WhiteLineFever]

Outside of Richo, Coughlan, Ottens, Stafford, Zantuck and Rodan as far as I'm concerned they are ALL tradeable - providing we get something of value in return.

The real art is to trade those with perceived value but will not live up to the expectation. Krakouer I think will fall into this category and should be seriously considered.

 

[sapaul]

You interested in Brett Burton?

 

[Rodan#18.]

Originally posted by sapaul
You interested in Brett Burton?

NO !

 

[Eago77]

I think Port would take Rogers for Ackland.

But Bowden for N Stevens i'd doubt it.

As for Krakouer he doesn't impress me half as much as Rodan does. To me Krakouer doesn't have as many useful strings to his bow as Rodan does, he is too one-dimensional and has a long way to go IMO. Whereas Rodan works (to me anyway) a lot hard has better ball winning skills and reads the ball atleast as well as Krakouer, both pretty pacy and Rodan can also play very well on the ball or up forward.

 

[Rodan#18.]

Originally posted by Eago77
I think Port would take Rogers for Ackland.

re : trade game ....well I never...Maca 19 and I are discussing the finer points of that trade even as we speak...looks a done deal.