Trading Stenglein

[94_Eagles]

Originally posted by macca23
On the contrary. Stinger will end up captain of Adelaide in the next 3 to 4 years if he stays.

The problem is that he just refuses to commit to re-signing with the club and he is home-sick.

When a player changes his manager from a SA based one to a WA one, you have to accept that he is serious about going home.

Adelaide will do everything in it's power to keep him, but the general feeling is that he's going for sure.

If that's the case, it then becomes a question of what can we get for him - which brings us back to this thread.

Yep. I just got the feeling that you guys rated Waters much more highly than Stenglein and thought you were getting the better deal.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by 94_Eagles
You're a comic genius.

Smacked by the new guy.

Outstanding!

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by 94_Eagles
Yep. I just got the feeling that you guys rated Waters much more highly than Stenglein and thought you were getting the better deal.

It depends where you're coming from.

West Coast are a young side that are emerging and already around top 8 status. Stenglein would enhance that status and help it rise even quicker.

Adelaide has to go back to grass roots level and it will take some time to become a top 8 threat again. To do that it has to put together young talent for the future, rather than now.

It would be nice to have Waters as part of that because he looks a real player of the future - rather than right now.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by 94_Eagles
Don't you guys rate him? That's the feeling I'm getting here.

No we actually rate Stenglein highly. The club sees him as the next captain.

I think we all are accepting that he is likely to go home this year and we see Waters as a similar osrt of player only younger. Plus he is SA boy and as macca23 said he will be there in the long run and is the player that we can build something around over the years.

To me the trade is a WIN-WIN for both parties.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
No we actually rate Stenglein highly. The club sees him as the next captain.

I disagree on both counts, but yes the trade would be fair for both parties. Definitely W-W.

 

[theorangeapple]

haha. you adelaide people crack me up. there is no way in hell the eagles would trade waters for stenglien. he only turned 18 this year and is already providing a great phyiscal presence. (note he played on and held pickett to one goal).

22 possesions and 9 marks on a half back flank while beating your man is a huge game in anyone's standard, let alone a first year player.

oh and keep dreaming about butler. this guy is staying right here in perth. he is all class, only played 85 min and got 19 possesions.

you can all keep stenglein, and we'll keep our 2 budding SA stars.

our 2nd round pick is one the table. take or leave.

 

[94_Eagles]

Originally posted by theorangeapple
haha. you adelaide people crack me up. there is no way in hell the eagles would trade waters for stenglien. he only turned 18 this year and is already providing a great phyiscal presence. (note he played on and held pickett to one goal).

22 possesions and 9 marks on a half back flank while beating your man is a huge game in anyone's standard, let alone a first year player.

oh and keep dreaming about butler. this guy is staying right here in perth. he is all class, only played 85 min and got 19 possesions.

you can all keep stenglein, and we'll keep our 2 budding SA stars.

our 2nd round pick is one the table. take or leave.

Who could get home sick at any stage.

 

[spindoctor]

Oh it's orangeapple, the 'overrater', again.

If you took your rose-coloured glasses off you might have noticed that blind Freddy could beat Pickett at the moment, he's in dismal form and constantly on the verge of being dropped from Port except that he'll occasionally dole out a violent shirtfront and Williams will justify his inclusion based on that.

Stengelin is what WCE need. Waters has proven nothing - yet - and has only got value because he was picked at no 11. Stengelin is a proven tagger and proven clearance winner.

 

[94_Eagles]

Originally posted by spindoctor
Oh it's orangeapple, the 'overrater', again.

If you took your rose-coloured glasses off you might have noticed that blind Freddy could beat Pickett at the moment, he's in dismal form and constantly on the verge of being dropped from Port except that he'll occasionally dole out a violent shirtfront and Williams will justify his inclusion based on that.

Stengelin is what WCE need. Waters has proven nothing - yet - and has only got value because he was picked at no 11. Stengelin is a proven tagger and proven clearance winner.

Exactly.

Some experience and leadership in our extremely young list would not go astray.

 

[mymansyd]

Originally posted by theorangeapple
haha. you adelaide people crack me up. there is no way in hell the eagles would trade waters for stenglien. he only turned 18 this year and is already providing a great phyiscal presence. (note he played on and held pickett to one goal).

22 possesions and 9 marks on a half back flank while beating your man is a huge game in anyone's standard, let alone a first year player.

oh and keep dreaming about butler. this guy is staying right here in perth. he is all class, only played 85 min and got 19 possesions.

you can all keep stenglein, and we'll keep our 2 budding SA stars.

our 2nd round pick is one the table. take or leave.

I agree with this Eagles supporter. WC would be stupid to trade Butler/Waters to us for just Stenglein. Those 2 teenagers (especially Waters), on what I saw today, are both gonna' be much better players than Tyson. I mean, let's face it, he isn't exactly a matchwinner.

If we managed to somehow get Waters or Butler in a deal for Stenglein, I'd be over the moon.

The only thing in the back of WC's mind would be that Sam & Beau might wanna' return home at some stage.

 

[jess-jess]

Originally posted by theorangeapple
haha. you adelaide people crack me up. there is no way in hell the eagles would trade waters for stenglien. he only turned 18 this year and is already providing a great phyiscal presence. (note he played on and held pickett to one goal).

22 possesions and 9 marks on a half back flank while beating your man is a huge game in anyone's standard, let alone a first year player.

oh and keep dreaming about butler. this guy is staying right here in perth. he is all class, only played 85 min and got 19 possesions.

you can all keep stenglein, and we'll keep our 2 budding SA stars.

our 2nd round pick is one the table. take or leave.

Orange is right on the money. No way would the eagles trade Waters or Butler for that matter for Stenglien. Both are only 18 and have shown real class already in the hand full of games they have played.

i do rate Stenglien and would be a handy get, but i don't think the club will go all out to get him. We have a young kid by the name of Selwood who has shown real promise (before he got injured) and is likely to be groomed as the club's tagger. As well, Waters is a defender who could be groomed into a defencive midfielder, and i think he has the potential to be a better one than Stenglien.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Ok guys, first up 94_Eagles IS the only Eagles fan who thinks this trade is 'perfect', his topic on the Eagles forum shows the general feeling about the prospect of a Stenglein for Waters trade - Waters for Stenglein - The PERFECT trade

Now, some of you have said Waters because you can't see the Eagles giving up their first pick, well Waters WAS our first pick last year and has shown something at league level, why then would we want to trade him instead of our first pick, what with all the crap sides this year, it will probably be around pick 10 again anyway.

This talk of Waters or Butler leaving the Eagles is not something that immediately jumps to mind for Eagles fans because the majority (obviously, this new lad is an exception) have great faith in the clubs ability to retain players that it wants to keep, no matter where they are from. I strongly doubt the club would trade just on the possibility they might want to leave eventually, they'd be backing themselves to secure everyone on the list, as they probably aren't out of line doing, given the clubs record.

I like Stenglein, but I think the understandable bias you have towards the guy is creating very high expectations for his trade, should he choose to leave the Crows. He's quality, a good tagger but his footy over the last 2 seasons hasn't been as good as before then - is that a fair comment?

I'd like him at the Eagles but a second round pick (maybe involving another team to get it a bit higher) would be around what I'd like to see go for him.

But hey, the Eagles might rate him higher than me, in that case, I wouldn't be stunned to see our 1st round pick go.

 

[Mego Red]

Originally posted by 94_Eagles
Yep. I just got the feeling that you guys rated Waters much more highly than Stenglein and thought you were getting the better deal.

I think we also realize that we have to make serious changes, and bringing a nard nut like Waters back to his how town like a good idea. As someone said on another thread, Roo is about the only piece that we have that is untouchable - everyone else is up for grabs, if the rights offer is made.

 

[Mego Red]

Originally posted by Black JuJu
I like Stenglein, but I think the understandable bias you have towards the guy is creating very high expectations for his trade, should he choose to leave the Crows. He's quality, a good tagger but his footy over the last 2 seasons hasn't been as good as before then - is that a fair comment?

I'd like him at the Eagles but a second round pick (maybe involving another team to get it a bit higher) would be around what I'd like to see go for him.

But hey, the Eagles might rate him higher than me, in that case, I wouldn't be stunned to see our 1st round pick go.

Good post. I think Stenglein's value is somewhere around a pick 15 - 20, which is lower than Waters. I think it would need to be Stenglein/Perrie for either Waters or Butler, and either would be fine in my book.

Stenglien is a more valuable piece to a side with a quality midfield - which, sadly, isn't us anymore.

 

[spindoctor]

Stenglein has been very good this season.

 

[theorangeapple]

look it doesnt matter what any of us think, there is no way any club will trade its first year players. it never happens. especially if they were top 20 picks in the previous years draft.

before last years draft, beau stated publicly that he actually prefered to move interstate. get away from adelaide (sorry i cant wipe the smile from my face).

and this is reaffirmed in an article in todays paper. it reads; "Waters said he had not suffered from home sickness since heading to Perth". it then blabs on about senior players, and devleopment/ support staff.

personally i would offer a 2nd round, but if pushed u may get a first rounder. this draft is poor, from picks 8 up anyway.

 

[F-U]

I dont think there is a chance in hell of Eagles giving up Waters or Butler for Stenglein. Waters actually wanted to leave Adelaide so i doubt why he would want to come back now. Butler is very happy here so the home sickness aint a issue here. As far as Eagles not having a tagger, Adam Selwood was being slated for that position until he hurt himself against Saints, in which he had a stellar half may i add. I think Eagles will offer pick no 24 and pick no 30 odd for Stenglein. What you guys get for Stenglein though will entirely depend upon whether Josh Carr or Graham Polak chooses to leave there clubs. Adelaide will not go after players if they have to trade Stenglein rather they will go after draft picks, cos thats wat they need to rebuild there club.

p.s Pavlich signed a 3 year contract with Fremantle a month ago so forgoet all chances you ever had of picking him up.

 

[spindoctor]

Schammer was the one that signed the 3-year contract I think.

And if we can entice Pavlich, we can entice Pavlich. Everyone has a price.

 

[Bockchoy67]

A really doubt the Eagles would give up Waters/Butler for Stenglein.

As much as I would like it to happen, clubs very RARELY give up their prized first - round picks (such as Waters) just one year after they were drafted.

Perhaps the likes of Staker, McDougall, Lynch or Nicoski would fit the bill.

Nicoski has very good leg speed and a penetrating kick of the ball. Lynch has improved dramatically this year, McDougall has shown potential and Staker will be good once he puts on some muscle.

As Stiffy said, it would be a WIN-WIN situation, but unfortunately I doubt the Eagles would allow it.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by theorangeapple
look it doesnt matter what any of us think, there is no way any club will trade its first year players. it never happens. especially if they were top 20 picks in the previous years draft.

before last years draft, beau stated publicly that he actually prefered to move interstate. get away from adelaide (sorry i cant wipe the smile from my face).

and this is reaffirmed in an article in todays paper. it reads; "Waters said he had not suffered from home sickness since heading to Perth". it then blabs on about senior players, and devleopment/ support staff.

personally i would offer a 2nd round, but if pushed u may get a first rounder. this draft is poor, from picks 8 up anyway.

Can't disagree with your rationale.

I agree any astute club will offer a 2nd round for Stenglein.
Thats why we will need to bundle with a player such as Perrie.

Players are accustomed now to saying the politically correct things to the local media

 

[coasting]

Try a 2nd round pick plus any combination of these players...

Kane Munro
Jeremy Humm
Michael Collica
Kasey Green
Trent Carroll
one of Callum Chambers or Damien Adkins
and maybe Zac Beeck if he is considered surplus to requirements

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by coasting
Try a 2nd round pick plus any combination of these players...

Kane Munro
Jeremy Humm
Michael Collica
Kasey Green
Trent Carroll
one of Callum Chambers or Damien Adkins
and maybe Zac Beeck if he is considered surplus to requirements

It's shaping as being another weak draft after pick 20, so that 2nd round offering loses currency.
I think the AFC would only contemplate a deal involving an ex-pat.

 

[theorangeapple]

to be honest i think our best chance of getting stenglien is by doing a 3 way deal with richomond.

u guys get otttens, we get stenglien and we give richmond a player/ draft picks. or something like that or as i said u guys get 2nd rounder at least in a straight swap.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Hate to dampen this enthusiasm but Stinga is required................end of story

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by topjars
Hate to dampen this enthusiasm but Stinga is required................end of story

Why?
I would really like to know why an average tagger is a must hold player?

If people are happy to get rid of Edwards and Goodwin (which won't happen BTW), I hardly think Stenglein is rated higher than those esteemed players.