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[Apex36]

I reckon McStay has greater mobility than the battle weary Mihocek so checkers should play deeper forward.
Could well extend his career.

It’s been established from several sources that McStay has been playing close to goal and having lots of shots in match sim over the summer from 15-30m out. During the practice matches he was playing mostly as a deep forward. I get what you’re saying, but it’s not what’s happening, and tbh, I think having Checkers (who is pretty mobile himself) playing a higher less contested role is more likely to extend his career than continuing to play his crash and bash deep forward role of the past 5 years.

 

[sr36]

It’s been established from several sources that Checkers has been playing close to goal and having lots of shots in match sim over the summer from 15-30m out. During the practice matches he was playing mostly as a deep forward. I get what you’re saying, but it’s not what’s happening, and tbh, I think having Checkers (who is pretty mobile himself) playing a higher less contested role is more likely to extend his career than continuing to play his crash and bash deep forward role of the past 5 years.

Did you mean McStay in your first sentence?

 

[Apex36]

Did you mean McStay in your first sentence?

Cheers for pointing that out. Fixed.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I thought he was crucial to us last year as someone who really stood up those in tight finishes.

Those 2nd and 3rd and 4th efforts late in games were very telling in containing the oppositions transition into their F50, and when they did get to kick it in there, the disposal was generally pressured and easier to pick off. I love what he brings to the side.

 

[Big Bryza]

Really happy to see Reef starting to show what he can do.
Here’s hoping he can become what we hope for him to be.

It's growth from within that will take us all the way. If Reef can have a breakout year similar to Ginni of last year, then we will be pressing our claims for the double chance once again.

 

[Big Bryza]

I’m not wedded to the theory that mccreery is a must-pick. He’s definitely on the cusp of being outside our best 22. Time will tell but I agree with others… he needs to get the pill more.

His role is designed specifically for him to be low possession and high impact. Was massive in some of our come from behind wins last season. He's a lock for the best 22.

 

[Big Bryza]

Forward pockets like Ginni and Beau dont really get much ball. Its not in the nature of the position. 6-12 touches is usually about right unless they are rotating in and out of another role. Forward pockets need to do other things because they dont get the ball like kick goals (Ginni) or stop opposition players from getting the ball or transitioning it out easily (Beau).
If Beau moves up the field into another position he will get more ball no questions asked.

This, plus our mids don't get high numbers anymore. A 25 disposal game was a high number for us last year. Ginni, Beau etc will be lucky to crack double figures in most games this season.

 

[Big Bryza]

Most young players should be on the edge of best 22 in a premiership contending side. McReery has value, he really does…but he also has some weaknesses. Doesn’t go hard when the ball is in dispute, could kick more goals although I recognise that’s not his primary focus. I wouldn’t say he’s untouchable.

Macrae is indeed a s**t kick.

McStay is on more money than Brisbane, and more money than what he warrants based on his career to date. We’ve taken a calculated risk that he will become a key forward that kicks multiple goals each game and bags on occasion. So the jury is still out on this one.

Kelly has had a horrid run with injury and COVID interruptions.

Agree, on the Cox and Cameron situation. I think Cox will kick more goals now that we have two other talls in the forward line though. My preference is to play both until it doesn’t work.

Say that again?

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

Say that again?

I think I understand what 42 was alluding to. I have noticed, on more than one occasion, that McCreery seems to allow his opponent to get the ball so that he can tackle the life out of him, rather than win the ball in the first instance. I love Beau but this is an area I'd love to see him improve in.

 

[The Phantom]

It’s been established from several sources that McStay has been playing close to goal and having lots of shots in match sim over the summer from 15-30m out. During the practice matches he was playing mostly as a deep forward. I get what you’re saying, but it’s not what’s happening, and tbh, I think having Checkers (who is pretty mobile himself) playing a higher less contested role is more likely to extend his career than continuing to play his crash and bash deep forward role of the past 5 years.

Either way, it’s a good problem and choice to have

 

[CaptainHowdy87]

Some of the biggest current myth’s on the Collingwood board in no particular order:

• McReery is on the edge of best 22.
• Macrae is a good kick.
• McStay is on big money.
• Kelly needs luck with injury.
• We need to play both Cox and Cameron.

In context Macrae is the king of the floater and is largely a “safe” kick. He needs to add penetration in order to be rated as a good kick. If you compare his kicking to JDG’s it’s a non contest and I think JDG can be inconsistent.

We do need to play both Cox and Cameron. The ruck combo proved to be a winning formula last year.

The big fella isn't going anywhere!

 

[pablo disco bar]

Gee whiz

Mcreery is a gun and i tell ya what if anyone should wear 42 it is him

 

[Fat Jesus]

We do need to play both Cox and Cameron. The ruck combo proved to be a winning formula last year.

The big fella isn't going anywhere!

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Coxy keeps improving a little every year. #1 ruck for me

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Coxy keeps improving a little every year. #1 ruck for me

Cox's height is a point of difference that makes him a hard match up in the ruck. If I had to pick one of Cameron or Cox to ruck 80 percent of a game, Cox is a more daunting proposition as a match up. As a ruck Cameron is below average although he gets more touches and his around the ground work last year was at times very good.

 

[Bianconeri]

I think it will be the other way around - simply because Checkers does most of his damage running back into 50, whereas McStay is your more traditional present at the footy tall forward. I also think it's a more physical role to present at the footy than the Checkers style, so don't really agree that deep forward will extend Checkers career.

I think Checkers mobility is very underrated on here and one of main reasons he’s one of few key forwards that was successful under Bucks.

 

[Fat Jesus]

I think Checkers mobility is very underrated on here and one of main reasons he’s one of few key forwards that was successful under Bucks.

I would think CHF is more crash and bang. McStay
Mihocek closer to goal.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

I think Checkers mobility is very underrated on here and one of main reasons he’s one of few key forwards that was successful under Bucks.

He excellent below his knees and often gets that soccer like goal when the ball hits the deck.

 

[Bianconeri]

Some of the biggest current myth’s on the Collingwood board in no particular order:

• McReery is on the edge of best 22.
• Macrae is a good kick.
• McStay is on big money.
• Kelly needs luck with injury.
• We need to play both Cox and Cameron.

In context Macrae is the king of the floater and is largely a “safe” kick. He needs to add penetration in order to be rated as a good kick. If you compare his kicking to JDG’s it’s a non contest and I think JDG can be inconsistent.

On the bolded, someone has to feel the pinch with our increased mid/fwd depth especially when Ginnivan is available for selection, Lipinski’s injury helps alleviate that though.

On the rucks that only becomes a myth when one of Cox or Cameron shows they can be the number one ruck. Atm they both need the other to cover their weakness.

 

[sr36]

Those 2nd and 3rd and 4th efforts late in games were very telling in containing the oppositions transition into their F50, and when they did get to kick it in there, the disposal was generally pressured and easier to pick off. I love what he brings to the side.

In a way he was emblematic of our season. Doesn't know how to get a kick when the intensity is off, so he's not helping to stretch leads, but put him in an intense finish and he can turn the volume up to 11 and get us across the line.

 

[Doc1763]

Training is tomorrow at 9:30, is that correct?

 

[sr36]

I think Checkers mobility is very underrated on here and one of main reasons he’s one of few key forwards that was successful under Bucks.

The other underrated thing is just how smart a footballer he is. Regularly beats his man back to forward 50 simply by reading and reacting quicker.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

His role is designed specifically for him to be low possession and high impact. Was massive in some of our come from behind wins last season. He's a lock for the best 22.

Totally understand that sentiment. I reckon he’s best 22 as well but with the arrival of hill and to a lesser extent McStay, we might have a brand new forward line and a more attacking game plan.

He’s definitely starting the year best 22. Not arguing against that.

 

[sr36]

Totally understand that sentiment. I reckon he’s best 22 as well but with the arrival of hill and to a lesser extent McStay, we might have a brand new forward line and a more attacking game plan.

He’s definitely starting the year best 22. Not arguing against that.

I think he's a shoe in due to Ginni and Lippa being out, but when Ginni's back the selection squeeze gets tight

 

[Bianconeri]

I would think CHF is more crash and bang. McStay
Mihocek closer to goal.

Depends, I remember Cloke getting more clear one on ones as a a CHF and getting bashed in more often when he played as a stationary FF