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[sr36]

It turns out Tommy Mitchell did not kick himself in the neck.
A weights injury but he's right to go.
Should be according to the Fly

That makes sense. He hurt his neck whilst lifting heavy weights and then dropped the weight on his foot.

 

[Scodog10]

I suspect they're going to do a bit of trialling in terms of defence. The extra tall tall in Frampton? Murphy's game sense and desperation? Or both like they're going in with this week?

Not to second guess that approach and I think this is a good week to look at the two together ahead of clashes with Geelong, Port and Brisbane, but the nagging feeling is that we’re running short on time to get it right. The flip side is the mid and fwd groups are probably set hence it being a me thing. What’s your high level take on those questions? I think I know the answers and I’m coming round to them, but interested in whether anything’s shifted.

 

[3rdMan]

That's a small forward line. I wonder if he'll be tempted to include Krueger?

I don't think it's much smaller than what we've been going with. Hosk takes AJ's place. While he's only 186cm to AJ's 193, he competes as well, possibly better, in the air. I consider Johnson more of a medium than a tall due to strength.

 

[LuckyLee]

Yes. He's definitely taking on the WHE role as WHE takes on AJs position. I'd expect AJ to kick goals in the twos, especially against Frankston, but they've obviously sent him back to work on the other aspects of his game. I hope they resist the temptation to bring him back, if he kicks goals but doesn't do anything else, like chase, tackle and contest at ground level.

Do you feel the same way about Ginnivan as you do about AJ?


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[#23 Hill]

Fly also said that Frampton would be doing some ruck. I’m working on the assumption that Frampton follows Casboult in to the ruck, and Cox is permanent forward so we always have two talls in the forward line.

So if Frampton follows Casboult into the ruck, what happens if Witts goes into the forward line?

 

[LuckyLee]

I think the inclusion of Frampton this week is pretty simple. Suns have a tall forward line. The question will be more difficult against teams without three genuine tall forwards.

It would be surprising if we played all of Moore, Frampton, Howe, Murphy often. We value run far too highly for that. Only way it's possible is if we use Howe as an offensive runner, not entirely out of the question, he could be very damaging if given no real defensive role and allowed to focus on intercepting and rebounding.

I generally agree with you, although it’s notable that our quartet of tall defenders are not afraid to run the ball out of defence, so perhaps we can make it work. We must have one of the most mobile set of defenders in the comp.


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[Magnanimous]

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Geez we get a fair turnout for mid week training.

from my Delorean

 

[Scodog10]

Do you feel the same way about Ginnivan as you do about AJ?


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I’m not sure about others, but I don’t. I think AJ will handle Frankston if there’s a decent amount of supply. Ginnivan is in a hole ATM and a long way from the best 23.

 

[#23 Hill]

Do you feel the same way about Ginnivan as you do about AJ?


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Yes. He needs to improve his pressure game, which is why McCreery, Elliott and Hill are in front of him.

 

[Jen2310]

Geez we get a fair turnout for mid week training.

from my Delorean

School holidays.

 

[sr36]

Not to second guess that approach and I think this is a good week to look at the two together ahead of clashes with Geelong, Port and Brisbane, but the nagging feeling is that we’re running short on time to get it right. The flip side is the mid and fwd groups are probably set hence it being a me thing. What’s your high level take on those questions? I think I know the answers and I’m coming round to them, but interested in whether anything’s shifted.

I don't know if my take is high level, but I don't think that experimentation with players in slightly different roles is too late. I don't expect it to be structural experimentation. I'm expecting WHE to tall forward. Markov to the wing and Howe or Murphy to step into the role that Markov has been filling.

 

[Bianconeri]

In the context of McStay I like that because I think he’s an important cog and I’m keen to have him back. WHE in support of Cox and Mihocek is fine because he gets up and back much more than AJ and I prefer it when Cox plays as a FWD/ ruck not a 2nd ruck off the bench.

Frampton back though I’m less sure about. I think it further adds to that good problem to have that we’re not finding a solution to narrative I’m watching play out. It’s me I know, but I’m looking for that statement match that solidifies our standing as a top 2 team like what Brisbane put up on Thursday. Our past 6 weeks have felt like we’re a long way off that and I don’t think it’s a personell issue.

To me it reeks of our coaching group not willing to make a tough call like drop Murphy.

 

[Bianconeri]

Fly also said that Frampton would be doing some ruck. I’m working on the assumption that Frampton follows Casboult in to the ruck, and Cox is permanent forward so we always have two talls in the forward line.

Seems like a 6-6-6 infringement waiting to happen

 

[manicpie]

To me it reeks of our coaching group not willing to make a tough call like drop Murphy.

Maybe not willing to make a tough call isn't the right way to look at it. We have to work out our best 6 defenders and it's probably just an opportunity for the coach to see what it looks like with both frampton and Murphy. I'm not overly fussed if Murphy isn't best 22 but the club needs to look at it. GC having 3 tall forwards seems like a good opportunity to see how it works. Our game plan and roles won't change regardless, so we are always in good stead

 

[sr36]

Seems like a 6-6-6 infringement waiting to happen

It was last time we did it, but doesn't need to be. He doesn't have to swap into the ruck immediately for the first bounce that Casboult attends.

 

[#23 Hill]

Enjoying the speculation, but I hope we're in a position to stick with a settled line up soon, team chemistry is important.

 

[3rdMan]

To me it reeks of our coaching group not willing to make a tough call like drop Murphy.

Frampton's only played a few games for us in defence. Even if we think he might replace Murphy we couldn't be certain of that just yet.

When considering "talls" let's not forget that Howe is only 190cm. He plays tall, but if he has a decent tank, he can play a more offensive, running role than we've seen. Not crazy to think that Murphy, Howe, Frampton could play together longer term, even though I agree it's unlikely.

 

[Apex36]

So if Frampton follows Casboult into the ruck, what happens if Witts goes into the forward line?

I consider it an unlikely scenario. Witts is a solo ruck who is getting a chop out from a forward. If he’s resting, it’s on the bench, not in the forward 50.
Regardless though, there’s nothing stopping us keeping Cameron in the ruck and having Frampton remaining in the defensive 50 if that’s the way the Suns want to line up. I doubt they’ll do it though, it seems like it would be a move that would be to their detriment.

 

[KinderSmock]

School holidays.

3000 still showed up. People actually want to see Collingwood these days, even if they won't admit it. But seriously, who wouldn't want to see a team come from 13 or more down and win?

 

[BillyElliott]

Enjoying the speculation, but I hope we're in a position to stick with a settled line up soon, team chemistry is important.

And yet we still have people asking for players to be rested every single week

 

[windchimes]

So if Frampton follows Casboult into the ruck, what happens if Witts goes into the forward line?

This. The Frampton as a ruck / and lockdown defender on Casboult sounds like such an incredibly clunky game plan to go with on a match day.

I back the crew at the helm a million times over, but I honestly don’t see them going into this one with such a defensive side and game plan. It’s just not really their style.

Makes me think there’s a plot twist coming.

 

[No SPIN]

In the context of McStay I like that because I think he’s an important cog and I’m keen to have him back. WHE in support of Cox and Mihocek is fine because he gets up and back much more than AJ and I prefer it when Cox plays as a FWD/ ruck not a 2nd ruck off the bench.

Frampton back though I’m less sure about. I think it further adds to that good problem to have that we’re not finding a solution to narrative I’m watching play out. It’s me I know, but I’m looking for that statement match that solidifies our standing as a top 2 team like what Brisbane put up on Thursday. Our past 6 weeks have felt like we’re a long way off that and I don’t think it’s a personell issue.

If we had as few injuries as BNE, we would have developed a cohesion that may well have delivered a convincing performance worthy of a Top 2 team.
The disruption of injuries has been telling on the quality of our performances.

 

[3rdMan]

If we had as few injuries as BNE, we would have developed a cohesion that may well have delivered a convincing performance we are a Top 2 team.
The disruption of injuries has been telling on our performances.

Agree. We've done well to keep winning despite missing key players. Also, most of Brisbane's dominance has been at home, far less convincing away which is a big concern for them. We don't have the massive home ground advantage that Cats and interstate teams do.

We have time to settle our lineup. The McStay and Howe injuries have prevented that till now. I think there's only one real question and it's Frampton, not some huge uncertainty.

 

[Scodog10]

If we had as few injuries as BNE, we would have developed a cohesion that may well have delivered a convincing performance worthy of a Top 2 team.
The disruption of injuries has been telling on the quality of our performances.

Brisbane are currently without Rich, Gunston, Adams and Zorko. Lyons would likely still be a first choice mid without the groin injuries he’s battled and Mathieson would be preferred to Fletcher. Like us they have good depth and it’s no coincidence they’re braining the VFL. There’s been one week this year that injuries have influenced the result coincidentally v Brisbane. To be without 3 best 22 players at this stage of the year is healthy and blaming our negligible form on that is a cop out, IMO.

 

[No SPIN]

Brisbane are currently without Rich, Gunston, Adams and Zorko. Lyons would likely still be a first choice mid without the groin injuries he’s battled and Mathieson would be preferred to Fletcher. Like us they have good depth and it’s no coincidence they’re braining the VFL. There’s been one week this year that injuries have influenced the result coincidentally v Brisbane. To be without 3 best 22 players at this stage of the year is healthy and blaming our negligible form on that is a cop out, IMO.

Not sure we have had the depth to replace the quality of JDG, Sidey, McStay, Howe, Lipinski, and Cox and Cameron. In fact I doubt they have played together apart from the first round.
So while I agree we have decent depth, it’s not of adequate quality to cover these players.
Therefore their absence ( given they are best 23) must have had some impact on team cohesion and therefore performance.
The bottom line is whether our best is good enough to be Top 2 - I think most would agree it is.