Training Training Thread 2023

[Agenda 21]

I'm still a bit worried that we don't have at least one reliable sub 180cm small forward, to scare oppo defenders. An area that we seem to constantly ignore.

 

[Twangler]

I'm still a bit worried that we don't have at least one reliable sub 180cm small forward, to scare oppo defenders. An area that we seem to constantly ignore.

Hmm I don’t think you necessarily need to be under a certain height to play as a small forward. As long as the skill set (ie tackling, pressure and crumbing) is there. Both Curtis and Sheezel have the skill sets to play that crumbing role but because they were good overhead as juniors it might just be a case of knowing when to go in a marking contest and when to crumb.

 

[amaz199]

I'm still a bit worried that we don't have at least one reliable sub 180cm small forward, to scare oppo defenders. An area that we seem to constantly ignore.

I hope Spicer makes it.

 

[Passmore]

I'm still a bit worried that we don't have at least one reliable sub 180cm small forward, to scare oppo defenders. An area that we seem to constantly ignore.

We’ve got time to find one if need be.

 

[Agenda 21]

We’ve got time to find one if need be.

I understand that, but they aren't too hard to find. Surely a decent one could've at least been rookie listed, by now. It's harder to find a decent key forward, than it is a small forward.

 

[Agenda 21]

Hmm I don’t think you necessarily need to be under a certain height to play as a small forward. As long as the skill set (ie tackling, pressure and crumbing) is there. Both Curtis and Sheezel have the skill sets to play that crumbing role but because they were good overhead as juniors it might just be a case of knowing when to go in a marking contest and when to crumb.

I reckon every other club has at least one decent/good/excellent sub 180cm small forward for the now, and the future. 185cm aint a small forward.

 

[berniemccarthy]

Sometimes I can't quite shake the feeling that it is not footballing ability alone that makes Ligma happy.

Remember seeing him on his first day. Reckon he would have been about 60kgs. Absolute stick

 

[Makeshift Park]

I reckon every other club has at least one decent/good/excellent sub 180cm small forward for the now, and the future. 185cm aint a small forward.

At some point it would be good to hear what made the coaches decide to train Drury as a defender instead of as a forward.
Not suggesting it’s wrong, but it was an interesting move, given we have a glut of back flankers, and just Spicer and Mahony as small forwards.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

 

[Caracas]

This made me laugh, then I cried. Then I shook my head, looking wistfully into the distance with a painful sense of deja-vu

Ah to be a Roo supporter!!

I’m reminded of the “Do you feel lucky scene” from “Dirty Harry”.


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[Caracas]

What makes me happy is that Flynny is looking HUGE and is not gonna break in half in a contest (not that he did in the first place)

And my new profile pic makes me happy

If the team plays with the commitment of my profile picture, we’ll definitely play finals this year.


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[FAILTOSUCCEED]

I understand that, but they aren't too hard find. Surely a decent one could've at least been rookie listed, by now. It's harder to find a decent key forward, than it is a small forward.

I’m with you. Think we need to address it soon. A Kossie Pickett type or two would be nice, crumbing Larkey & Chom and harassing and chasing when trying to stop the defence from clearing it.

 

[zoomba23]

I’m with you. Think we need to address it soon. A Kossie Pickett type or two would be nice, crumbing Larkey & Chom and harassing and chasing when trying to stop the defence from clearing it.

I'm outspoken on Spicer so you're well within your rights to take this with a grain of salt, but I think he's a chance of filling that hole. He's got a classiness in the forward 50 area which he showed on numerous occasions last year and which perfectly befits the type of player you're describing. He just needs a bit more physical (and perhaps mental) preparation so that he doesn't shirk the contest as much as he has so far

 

[The Nostradamus]

Hoping the intra club is 2 evenly matched teams

Don’t want to see a stacked team against vfl players and depth players

 

[FAILTOSUCCEED]

I'm outspoken on Spicer so you're well within your rights to take this with a grain of salt, but I think he's a chance of filling that hole. He's got a classiness in the forward 50 area which he showed on numerous occasions last year and which perfectly befits the type of player you're describing. He just needs a bit more physical (and perhaps mental) preparation so that he doesn't shirk the contest as much as he has so far

That is what he was drafted for, but I’m yet to see any positive inclination about him becoming someone like a Kossie Pickett. Gets lost, no confidence, scared of the contest. I hope I’m proven wrong, I really do. This is his season to stand up, or he might not get the chance again at AFL level in my opinion.

 

[Passmore]

I understand that, but they aren't too hard to find. Surely a decent one could've at least been rookie listed, by now. It's harder to find a decent key forward, than it is a small forward.

Exactly. If/when we need one, get one.

 

[zoomba23]

That is what he was drafted for, but I’m yet to see any positive inclination about him becoming someone like a Kossie Pickett. Gets lost, no confidence, scared of the contest. I hope I’m proven wrong, I really do. This is his season to stand up, or he might not get the chance again at AFL level in my opinion.

There has to be a bit of confirmation bias going on here. Off the top of my head I remember a classy left foot 20m pass inside 50, a smart handball over the top, and the evasion of about four Pies opponents whilst hemmed in on the boundary line. Not to mention the impressive penetration he got on some laces-out passes at the first training session this year. The prevailing view of him seems to be that he's shown absolutely no positive aspects. I understand not rating him that highly, as he has shied away from contact and made errors, but the view that he's shown nothing, zilch, nada, just isn't true

 

[FAILTOSUCCEED]

There has to be a bit of confirmation bias going on here. Off the top of my head I remember a classy left foot 20m pass inside 50, a smart handball over the top, and the evasion of about four Pies opponents whilst hemmed in on the boundary line. Not to mention the impressive penetration he got on some laces-out passes at the first training session this year. The prevailing view of him seems to be that he's shown absolutely no positive aspects. I understand not rating him that highly, as he has shied away from contact and made errors, but the view that he's shown nothing, zilch, nada, just isn't true

He seems a long way off AFL football is what I mean. One passage of play a year won’t cut it. Let’s hope he comes in and shows a lot more this year at some point.

 

[Agenda 21]

Exactly. If/when we need one, get one.

We've needed one, for nearly a decade. Now, more than ever.

 

[zoomba23]

He seems a long way off AFL football is what I mean. One passage of play a year won’t cut it. Let’s hope he comes in and shows a lot more this year at some point.

Point is, I reckon there's something there. I don't even think he was at a size last year where he should've been in the senior team. He should've been in the gym working his ass off and potentially working on his mental fortitude, if that's one of his issues, as I suspect. And he should be doing those things now too. But I spose it doesn't matter too much where we differ here, as we're both ultimately hoping for the same outcome

 

[Hearts to hearts]

I’m with you. Think we need to address it soon. A Kossie Pickett type or two would be nice, crumbing Larkey & Chom and harassing and chasing when trying to stop the defence from clearing it.

Didn’t Melbourne trade first round picks with us to get one Kosi Pickett because he was so highly regarded pre-draft? How does it become so easy to nab two players of that quality, especially without spending high picks on them?

 

[FAILTOSUCCEED]

Didn’t Melbourne trade first round picks with us to get one Kosi Pickett because he was so highly regarded pre-draft? How does it become so easy to nab two players of that quality, especially without spending high picks on them?

I mean two quick zippy small forwards. Even one would be nice for a change.

We can’t draft 5 mids every year forever.

 

[Passmore]

We've needed one, for nearly a decade. Now, more than ever.

It’s not critical yet. If it were impeding us winning a flag, it’d be a different matter.

 

[Passmore]

Didn’t Melbourne trade first round picks with us to get one Kosi Pickett because he was so highly regarded pre-draft? How does it become so easy to nab two players of that quality, especially without spending high picks on them?

They were set in the crucial position, they could afford to do that. Players like Pickett can impact nearly immediately.

Hopefully in the next year or two ,we can find one.

 

[Agenda 21]

It’s not critical yet. If it were impeding us winning a flag, it’d be a different matter.

It is critical, to our structure. Think Milne, at St Kilda. They built with him, until he retired. Yeah, they didn't win a flag, but he was crucial to their rise. You can't expect to get into a position of making the top 4 and winning a flag, and then bring in a ready made small forward. Top-ups? Yep. But the foundation needs to be set, early.