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Society/Culture Trans Kids and the education system.
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You mean child sterilisation?
It's fair to say that if kids as young as 6 are saying I'm androgynous or I'm born with 2 spirits, there may be an issue worth checking out.
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Definitely an issue, brainwashed by teachers to doubt their own sexuality when they're still not even developed enough to know who are they are etc.
http://junkee.com/scott-morrison-gender-whisperer/174136
We’ve taken the liberty of fact-checking this very harmful article. Before you do a Scott Morrison and start panicking about “gender whisperers” in schools, here are the actual facts about what teachers are being taught, and what kind of treatment is available to trans kids.
We’ve taken the liberty of fact-checking this very harmful article. Before you do a Scott Morrison and start panicking about “gender whisperers” in schools, here are the actual facts about what teachers are being taught, and what kind of treatment is available to trans kids.
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Where is the humanity of the Conservative pollies on these issues - its truly ****ed
http://junkee.com/scott-morrison-gender-whisperer/174136
We’ve taken the liberty of fact-checking this very harmful article. Before you do a Scott Morrison and start panicking about “gender whisperers” in schools, here are the actual facts about what teachers are being taught, and what kind of treatment is available to trans kids.
In real terms what does it matter what anyone identifies as? You can identify as a tractor, just means your rights shouldn’t be any less or greater than anyone elses.
If kids want to identify as another gender or are more comfortable in doing so, what does it matter?
Probably hasn’t happened before because they were encouraged away from doing so
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It's worse than I thought reading thathttp://junkee.com/scott-morrison-gender-whisperer/174136
We’ve taken the liberty of fact-checking this very harmful article. Before you do a Scott Morrison and start panicking about “gender whisperers” in schools, here are the actual facts about what teachers are being taught, and what kind of treatment is available to trans kids.
Any particular part of the process ? Or, it just makes you feel a bit icky in general ?
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Overall...
It isn't a teacher's role to get involved in gender identifying a child. Much like it isn't a teachers role to get involved in the sexuality of a child. Is the child Gay, Lesbian, straight etc...
Why should the school identify anyone as trans?
A school teacher identified a nephew of mine as maybe needing 'ADHD' medicine and maybe being 'Gay'.
Neither were true, and it was another case of teacher having no training in those fields believing they could make these diagnoses. What would have happened if the teacher had some formal process or was encouraged to make my nephew feel safe that he was 'gay'?
Let the teacher educate children, not get involved with such things as gender identification, sexuality, medical diagnoses
And as she says here... "People are diagnosing some children as trans who aren't"
Kindergarten? Seriously?
A nephew was identifying as a cat for about 3 months when he was young...Thanks * you cant tranistion into a cat or dog - will not yet anyway
Kids change their mind all the time. Give a young child reinforcement that he is a girl...she is a boy...and they will lap it up.
I don't mind what path people choose, but let them decide as adults and keep Teacher's away from any part of it
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Its a way more extreme version of teachers inspecting the food that the kids have been given for lunch and telling the parents off.
https://metro.co.uk/2017/10/03/teac...s-packed-lunches-at-yorkshire-school-6972652/
http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-an...t-of-my-childs-lunch-box-20150302-13stn8.html
https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/wellbeing/2018/02/10/notes-school-lunchboxes/
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How do teachers 'identify' trans kids given that isn't part if their training?
Given around 0.1% of people are trans, what are risks of false positives? Eg any primary school cohort might have 1 trans kid in the whole school, how are teachers able to tell the difference between a genuine trans kid and a girl who is simply a tomboy and likes playing with boys?
What are the costs of false positives made by non-experts versus the benefits of an occasional genuine diagnosis?
Do we get receptionists at the GP to make cancer assessments?
Given around 0.1% of people are trans, what are risks of false positives? Eg any primary school cohort might have 1 trans kid in the whole school, how are teachers able to tell the difference between a genuine trans kid and a girl who is simply a tomboy and likes playing with boys?
What are the costs of false positives made by non-experts versus the benefits of an occasional genuine diagnosis?
Do we get receptionists at the GP to make cancer assessments?
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There is so much wrong with having teachers involved...
Just so many things
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In the 40s and 50s, one of the most recommended treatments for things like depression were lobotomies. Did they work? As it turned out, no. But at the time it was fervently believed that they were an effective treatment. There was even Nobel prize given to the guy who developed the lobotomy.
Are we better now? Maybe. Our science about some things to do with human psychology could still be faddish and completely wrong (in fact, psychology is still very poor at replicating results). Medical professionals are certainly more conservative and don't rush to surgical interventions the way they did in the past.
But part of that conservatism relies on the diagnosis being made between patient and doctor, or someone medically trained. To put teachers in the front line of that diagnosis is madness.
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No teacher is “diagnosing” any child.
If they see it, they should bring it to the attention of parents who THEN decide if action is needed.
Teachers aren’t being asked to do anything off their own bat.
And it is a rare issue anyway. Your average teacher probably won’t see it in their career.
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Can you provide evidence teachers are being asked to make a diagnosis?
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Increasing reasonable awareness amongst teachers, and having them apply such awareness is not, and should not, be a concern. Of concern should be the quality and clarity of parameters outlining how that awareness is to be acted upon; and protections concerning privacy.
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'Identifying' a child if you prefer
Why should teachers bring it to the attention of parents? The parents can take care of these issues without any Teacher notification
What will happen is, you will get an increase in identifications of supposed Transgender kids.. creating more confusion for kids who aren't yet able to decide themselves who they are.
If as you say a teacher wouldn't see it in their teaching lifetime, why should you have any training about identifying it anyway?
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you have teacher training precisely because of small percentage.
you bring it to the attention of parents to help them best assist their child.
the central object here is the child.
the purpose of the program serves to remove confusion.
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Remove confusion for who?
The parents are already best placed to make an assessment and identify. They don't need an educator coming to them to advise on such issues regarding their children
Teachers making an assessment are more likely to insert and create confusion.
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THE CHILD
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Why would a teacher need to be involved with that process of identification in any way?
having an outside authority person such as Teacher involved is likely to lead to incorrect identifications and create more confusion
if you care about the child, keep teachers out of any part of identification processes
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We have reached an impasse.
To proceed any further we need to be on the same page. Do you agree?
if you do agree, who do you consider is the central object of the program?
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