Transfer discussion thread

[jd2010]

I've always thought he was overrated, but that's mainly because it seems that whenever we've played Soton over the last few seasons he's been genuine garbage. Getting beaten easily, diving into tackles, at fault for a number of goals etc.

yeah i dont like to comment on vvd for this very reason. kane absolutely gave him a bath last season iirc

 

[Zidane98]

TBH Diegos the one in the bad position. He's burnt his bridges at Chelsea and the only club he wants to go to don't think he's worth the price(Simeone is putting pressure on AM to stump up the cash though).

We've already replaced him in the team so I guess he can choose to go out on loan or train with the under 23s. We arent going to be worried about paying his wages.

Not really. Atletico can buy out his contract under FIFA Article 17. That's why they are only offering 26m. They don't need to buy him until Jan by when his value will have declined further.

 

[jd2010]

Not really. Atletico can buy out his contract under FIFA Article 17. That's why they are only offering 26m. They don't need to buy him until Jan by when his value will have declined further.

96-104 weeks x how much per week?

 

[Established1870]

yeah i dont like to comment on vvd for this very reason. kane absolutely gave him a bath last season iirc

Gerard Pique gets ripped up by Iago Aspas every year in La Liga and I don't think anyone will suggest Pique is overrated/trash.

 

[Zidane98]

96-104 weeks x how much per week?

chef what's Costa's wage?

 

[ADL9798]

Re: Coutinho

Of course you can sell your best player for big money and feasibly improve as a side, but our practical experience with this as a club over the last decade has been that it has usually taken us a year or 2 to a) find the right replacement(s) and b) for them to gel together. Liverpool have been going 1 step back, 1 step forward on a 3 yearly cycle since 2009. Sell Torres, Alonso & Mascherano, bring in Suarez, Sturridge & Coutinho, climb back into title contention over a 3 year period. Sell Suarez & Sterling, bring in Firmino, Mané & Salah, climb back into title contention over a 3 year period.

As a supporter my preference would be to build on top of what we've already got rather than selling our best player and hoping their replacement(s) can immediately take us 2 steps forward. Historically it hasn't happened that way for us and fortunately financially we're in a position where signing our key targets is not dependent on sales.

Furthermore at this stage it appears Coutinho is happy at Liverpool - there certainly haven't been any rumblings of discontent being leaked from Joorabchian which you'd expect at this stage if he really did have his heart set on leaving. Quite the opposite in fact with plenty of reports out of Brazil that he's happy and is applying no pressure on Liverpool to let him go.

Keep all key players, add Van Dijk & Salah, and there's no reason we can't be right in the mix to challenge for the league and other silverware this year. Sell Coutinho and history tells us that it will probably take us longer to get into that position.

Plus regardless of our involvement in all of this part of me would love to see all of Barça's top targets to replace Neymar stay at their current clubs and for them to be left holding their dick. It's about time they suffered a bit.

 

[jd2010]

Gerard Pique gets ripped up by Iago Aspas every year in La Liga and I don't think anyone will suggest Pique is overrated/trash.

if people only watched him play against celta vigo they wouldn't get what all the fuss is about, but most people see him play in the CL, Classico etc.

southampton aren't the sort of side many would watch too often except against their own team hence why kanga and i dont see what all the fuss is about

 

[kangaspurs]

yeah i dont like to comment on vvd for this very reason. kane absolutely gave him a bath last season iirc

Yeah, off the top of my head the last two times we've played at St Mary's he's been directly responsible for two goals (and I'm pretty sure there are more); two years ago when he bizarrely swung a leg at the ball, missed and Kane went straight past him, and last year when Dele reacted quicker and beat him to a header to score.

 

[chef]

Not really. Atletico can buy out his contract under FIFA Article 17. That's why they are only offering 26m. They don't need to buy him until Jan by when his value will have declined further.

As i said Costa is the one that this is affecting the most, we have already replaced him and money isnt an issue. If they wont to go down that road they can go for it. Not sure Diego likes that idea.

chef what's Costa's wage?

150k a week.

 

[Zidane98]

As i said Costa is the one that this is affecting the most, we have already replaced him and money isnt an issue. If they wont to go down that road they can go for it. Not sure Diego likes that idea.


150k a week.

So about 16m pounds to buy out his contract. If AM offer double that you guys should take it and run.

 

[Magma]

ah yes, the old article 17 threat that no top player has ever used despite it being around for about 10 years now.

remember when rooney was going to buy out his contract? yaya?

 

[Sozabarus]

Not sure how legit this is but it's getting around.

Doesn't he always have "Virgil" on the back instead of his last name?

 

[Zidane98]

ah yes, the old article 17 threat that no top player has ever used despite it being around for about 10 years now.

remember when rooney was going to buy out his contract? yaya?

It is difficult to use but Costa's agent has said that he will use any legal avenue possible to force a transfer. Much easier to accept 30m than get into a shitfight over an article 17 transfer.

 

[chef]

Doesn't he always have "Virgil" on the back instead of his last name?

Yep, you are right it seems.

 

[Established1870]

Monaco apparently are willing to spend 45 million and pay 300k a week in wages to get Alexis Sanchez.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

He said: "For me it is the consequence of the ownerships that has changed completely the whole landscape of football in the last 15 years. Once a country owns a club everything is possible.

"It becomes very difficult to respect Financial Fair Play because you have different interest from a country to have such a big player to represent that country.

"I always did plead for football living within its own resources. We are not in a period anymore where you think 'I invest that, I will get that back'. We are beyond that.

"The number [fee] today involves passion, pride, public interest and you cannot rationalise that anymore. On the other hand inflation is increasing - we were at £100m last year and only one year later we are at the £200m line.

"If you think Trevor Francis was the first guy for £1m [in 1979] and it looked unreasonable, it shows you how far football has come, beyond calculation and rationality.

"We still live with rationality and we are not the only ones - 99 per cent of clubs do that - but of course we cannot compete with that."

Arsene Wenger on the Neymar transfer. Levy says similar things and fans everywhere told him to stop moaning.... yet he was right and Arsene is also.

 

[moomba]

Neither Wenger or Levy seems to understand that clubs can now spend huge money because they earn huge money.

Football is living within it's resources much more than it used to do. It's just that nowadays the resources are so high.

Just look at TV money. £51m a year between 1992 and 1997. £2.7b a year now. What was it in 1979 when Trevor Francis moved? Inflation is going to happen.

 

[moomba]

I think the key issues for Kelechi were game time, the buyback clause and staying in England (eligible for passport in a year apparently).

Spurs not really a good move for him. Not sure what happened at West Ham. No real other choices.

 

[moomba]

Monaco apparently are willing to spend 45 million and pay 300k a week in wages to get Alexis Sanchez.

I doubt he'd be interested in that move.

 

[Zidane98]

Neither Wenger or Levy seems to understand that clubs can now spend huge money because they earn huge money.

I'd back their understanding of running football clubs properly over yours tbh.

 

[moomba]

Good for you.

 

[Jatz]

I think the key issues for Kelechi were game time, the buyback clause and staying in England (eligible for passport in a year apparently).

Spurs not really a good move for him. Not sure what happened at West Ham. No real other choices.

I've gone completely blank but the buy back clause - we aren't forced to sell to City if you come knocking, are we? It's just you have the option?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

It's easy to live within your resources when you're Sheikh backed.

 

[Jatz]

I'd back their understanding of running football clubs properly over yours tbh.

Did you actually read what he said? What part was he incorrect on?

It's very easy to sit back and take pot shots but perhaps discussing the point might be a better plan.

 

[moomba]

I've gone completely blank but the buy back clause - we aren't forced to sell to City if you come knocking, are we? It's just you have the option?

Not sure. I'd imagine so. It might be that he doesnt want a return in which case a buyback clause is irrelevant even if we do want him back. But it seems to have been a non negotiable in any deal