Transfer discussion thread

[jd2010]

It's really something when one of your own starts on you. Unbelievable

i genuinely don't know where that came from lol

 

[hawkman]

slow transfer window for us when we start picking spurs v spurs shit fights

Arguing with better quality posters than the normal Liverpool fights

 

[craigos]

Trying to be unbiased here, if Neymar is worth 200 mil is this going to change what clubs have to pay for players now, like by double? Or is it just an outlier than means little.

If not what is Sanchez worth now? Coutinho? Bale? etc etc.

 

[SM]

Trying to be unbiased here, if Neymar is worth 200 mil is this going to change what clubs have to pay for players now, like by double? Or is it just an outlier than means little.

If not what is Sanchez worth now? Coutinho? Bale? etc etc.

If anything it means other players should be worth less if Neymar goes for "only" 200m.

E.g. Sigurdsson shouldn't be worth 50m.

 

[jd2010]

If anything it means other players should be worth less if Neymar goes for "only" 200m.

E.g. Sigurdsson shouldn't be worth 50m.

To the selling club he definitely is worth 1/4 of Neymar. He contributed just as much if not more to Swansea than Neymar did for Barca.

 

[elhadjihenry]

Trying to be unbiased here, if Neymar is worth 200 mil is this going to change what clubs have to pay for players now, like by double? Or is it just an outlier than means little.

If not what is Sanchez worth now? Coutinho? Bale? etc etc.

Bit of both IMO. Because it was a buyout clause that was paid rather than a negotiation it shouldn't really change things, however the fact that we have gone from an 89m world record to 200m in the space of 12 months will surely have some impact on the market. More so it will change the fees paid for other big transfers this window as everyone knows Barca have 200m burning a hole in their pocket. Don't think it immediately affects the likes of Sanchez, but if Coutinho/Dembele move to Barca this window then their fees will be higher than they would have been prior to the Neymar deal, which could snowball further in windows to come.

 

[SM]

To the selling club he definitely is worth 1/4 of Neymar. He contributed just as much if not more to Swansea than Neymar did for Barca.

Lol wut.

No he didn't.

Does a player who scores 30 goals for a L2 side represent the same value as Neymar because he contributed as much relatively for them?

 

[elhadjihenry]

To the selling club he definitely is worth 1/4 of Neymar. He contributed just as much if not more to Swansea than Neymar did for Barca.

Have to consider return on investment too. Barca paid 75m for Neymar (plus whatever other dodgy under-the-table payments and tax cheating they went through) while Sigursson cost Swansea 10m IIRC.

 

[hawkman]

Lol wut.

No he didn't.

Does a player who scores 30 goals for a L2 side represent the same value as Neymar because he contributed as much relatively for them?

If it wasn't for Sigurdsson Swansea don't stay up, which means losing all the PL money. That would be close to a 1/4 of Neymar's fee

 

[jd2010]

Lol wut.

No he didn't.

Does a player who scores 30 goals for a L2 side represent the same value as Neymar because he contributed as much relatively for them?

Obviously only when comparing relatively equally rich clubs.

Swansea aren't strapped for cash and Gyfli contributed 22 out of their 45 goals last season. They were in a relegation battle from the most lucrative top flight division in the world so losing 1/2 of their goals would be a disaster. FWIW Neymar contributed 24 out of 116 league goals last season

 

[jd2010]

What's EPL money worth a season?

Swansea would be stupid to sell Gyfli for less than that + 25-30m on top of that.

 

[SM]

If it wasn't for Sigurdsson Swansea don't stay up, which means losing all the PL money. That would be close to a 1/4 of Neymar's fee

That's silly logic. Without Llorente they wouldn't have stayed up either. Nor Fabianski. Sigurdsson wasn't the only player out on the field keeping them up.

 

[SM]

What's EPL money worth a season?

Swansea would be stupid to sell Gyfli for less than that + 25-30m on top of that.

You're making a completely different point now though. The comment about Neymar revaluing players actually DEVALUES a lot of the silly deals flying around in the EPL at the moment.

Another example would be Stones. Or Walker.

 

[PendlePie]

This conversation is ridiculous IMO. You can't say Player X should go for Y% of Player Z and then use the above reasoning to justify it.

This is spot on & probably all that could be said with any degree of confidence.

Bit of both IMO. Because it was a buyout clause that was paid rather than a negotiation it shouldn't really change things, however the fact that we have gone from an 89m world record to 200m in the space of 12 months will surely have some impact on the market. More so it will change the fees paid for other big transfers this window as everyone knows Barca have 200m burning a hole in their pocket. Don't think it immediately affects the likes of Sanchez, but if Coutinho/Dembele move to Barca this window then their fees will be higher than they would have been prior to the Neymar deal, which could snowball further in windows to come.

 

[jd2010]

You're making a completely different point now though. The comment about Neymar revaluing players actually DEVALUES a lot of the silly deals flying around in the EPL at the moment.

Another example would be Stones. Or Walker.

Neymar shouldn't effect deals going around the EPL.

The theory I looked at above is how EPL clubs would look at it. It's not new either. Why do you think we got so much for Bale? He was our golden ticket to CL qualification so we'd include that revenue in our valuation for him because without him we'd be unlikely to get in there so would need compensation from the buying club for that.

Stones & Walker are a bit different because of HG quotas. Man C don't have a lot of English players on their books so they're always likely to incur a bit more of a fee. Sterling too really. Liverpool and Spurs didn't need to sell and therefore asked for more money than they thought the player was worth, Man C have that money to spend and met the valuation.

I've said it a few times but no player has a set amount they're "worth". Gyfli to Swansea is worth 40-50m to Swansea regardless of Neymar because Everton & Swansea aren't in the market for your Neymar level players so it shouldn't be looked at as oh he isn't worth that because Neymar is more than 4x better than him. Is Gyfli worth 40-45m to Man C, Real, Spurs, Chelsea etc.? No he isn't, but to Everton and more importantly Swansea he is

 

[SM]

Neymar shouldn't effect deals going around the EPL.

The theory I looked at above is how EPL clubs would look at it. It's not new either. Why do you think we got so much for Bale? He was our golden ticket to CL qualification so we'd include that revenue in our valuation for him because without him we'd be unlikely to get in there so would need compensation from the buying club for that.

Stones & Walker are a bit different because of HG quotas. Man C don't have a lot of English players on their books so they're always likely to incur a bit more of a fee. Sterling too really. Liverpool and Spurs didn't need to sell and therefore asked for more money than they thought the player was worth, Man C have that money to spend and met the valuation.

I've said it a few times but no player has a set amount they're "worth". Gyfli to Swansea is worth 40-50m to Swansea regardless of Neymar because Everton & Swansea aren't in the market for your Neymar level players so it shouldn't be looked at as oh he isn't worth that because Neymar is more than 4x better than him. Is Gyfli worth 40-45m to Man C, Real, Spurs, Chelsea etc.? No he isn't, but to Everton and more importantly Swansea he is

He shouldn't.... but the poster was posing the question and I was answering it.

 

[jd2010]

He shouldn't.... but the poster was posing the question and I was answering it.

You said he should make other players like Siggurdson should now go for less. And I explained why it's irrelevant what Neymar went for

 

[craigos]

This conversation is ridiculous IMO. You can't say Player X should go for Y% of Player Z and then use the above reasoning to justify it.

This is spot on & probably all that could be said with any degree of confidence.

I understand what you mean. If a rich dude is willing to pay a million for a signed Luke Hodge jersey it doesn't mean that all signed jerseys are now worth more (stupid comparison but I'm hungover so stfu).

But it is also an easy comparison to make for people. People thought Mane was expensive for Liverpool last year but in comparison to other transfers it looks ridiculously cheap. I just hate that if this money starts to get thrown around it's going to further the gap that exists in football now. Even though I follow a wealthy club I don't want to see divide further widen. Obviously financial fair play wont really ever work.

Also, people often forget wages in these conversations. E.g. People were like "James Milner on a free transfer is great" but he is also getting paid well above what he probably should be.

 

[Magma]

it only affects barca

 

[SM]

You said he should make other players like Siggurdson should now go for less. And I explained why it's irrelevant what Neymar went for

So then why address me and not the person posing the question?

I said "If anything". Meaning it wouldn't impact, but if it did.

 

[jd2010]

So then why address me and not the person posing the question?

I said "If anything". Meaning it wouldn't impact, but if it did.

Oh I thought you were staring it would impact it

 

[glenferry23]

The sight of Spurs fans fighting amongst their own remains as one of the highlights of this forum.

 

[typeclub]

Liverpool should sign Tadic and Gylfi with the Coutinho money. Both would hit the ground running and should cover his loss pretty well.

I called for them to replace Cout with Sigi a few pages back. Would cost half the funds of a Cout, about one Walker. Tadic is another good suggestion, plenty of replacements.

 

[go you pups]

The sight of Spurs fans fighting amongst their own remains as one of the highlights of this forum.

All well

I guess this is where the rest of the bored are though

 

[jd2010]

I called for them to replace Cout with Sigi a few pages back. Would cost half the funds of a Cout, about one Walker. Tadic is another good suggestion, plenty of replacements.

Gyfli would fit in with Klopp's pressing and is just as much a goal threat as Coutinho