Transfer discussion thread

[wadistance]

Nice melt, but he's not worth his price tag until he becomes a consistent 2 in 1/3 in 1 player.


I get you don't want to lose him, but if Barca want him desperately, then accept the overs they are offering already.

No melt - you just don’t seem to understand the concept of a free market. It’s why you pay $90 for a 24 pack of craft beer in Singapore.

Dembele and Mbappe have the potential to be future ballon d’or winners. What price do you put on that? We obviously put his value to the team over the next 4 years at €150m. If he had a year to go, we’d get no more than €60m.

If there was a stat for pre-assists, dembele would probably be leading the Bundesliga. That can’t ever be discounted.

Also, you talk about players getting game time at lesser clubs. Don’t you think that’s the reason he came to BVB over FCB in the first place?

 

[go you pups]

No melt - you just don’t seem to understand the concept of a free market. It’s why you pay $90 for a 24 pack of craft beer in Singapore.

Dembele and Mbappe have the potential to be future ballon d’or winners. What price do you put on that?

And so to can Lukaku, Hazard, De Bruyne, Dybala, Kane, Pogba, Griezmann etc. Every single one of them has performed for longer than Mbappe and Dembele, yet no one says they are worth 150m, though Griezmann's buyout clause is 135 apparently. Griezmann has more runs on the board than Dembele FWIW.

Then we move onto Coutinho, he is apparently valued at 120m by his club, he is Liverpool's best player and has proven himself for 2-3 years longer than Dembele and has established himself for Brazil also in that time, he is a proven product. Dembele is not Dortmund's best player yet, PEA is. 120m for Coutinho is stupid money but that's what it will cost Barca to get him out of there due to inflation etc, yet that's less than Dembele still who is still not the finished product who is apparently worth more? Paying the price for potential is all well and good, but he does not have the performances or reputation under his belt as to being worth €150m. Like what moomba said previously, if he's worth that much then why isn't he one of the highest paid players in the Bundesliga? Yet he's probably only on a standard players wage from your club.

Neymar is the bonafide Ballon D'or option once Messi and CR7 get usurped though. He's performed at every level with distinction so far and is a finished product. The €222m spent on Neymar while absolutely stupid money because of a release clause put in place thought to never be touched, is far more justified than spending €150m on a kid who had 1 good year in France and 1 good year in Germany, Dembele needs many more years of performing at the top level to live up to such pricetag, such as helping you lot win the Bundesliga, win France the world cup etc, he hasn't done those things yet. To me, Dortmund is basically saying Dembele is two thirds the player Neymar is........ He absolutely is not.

We obviously put his value to the team over the next 4 years at €150m. If he had a year to go, we’d get no more than €60m.

If there was a stat for pre-assists, dembele would probably be leading the Bundesliga. That can’t ever be discounted.

Pretty sure players like Zaha and Bolasie were high in those stats too over the last couple of years (regarding wingers). Bolasie only went for 30m though and Zaha has been quoted in the media as to being worth that much also.

I'm sure you could buy 3-4 players just as good as Dembele for that 150m worth and fix up problem positions you talk about like RB, but if you do sell him for that price then you run the risk of being priced out of players yourselves if they don't have release clauses. Dortmund are just inflating the market here.

Also, you talk about players getting game time at lesser clubs. Don’t you think that’s the reason he came to BVB over FCB in the first place?

Yes agreed there, it's the right development choice, but he has not achieved two thirds of what Neymar has so far achieved in his career.

He is not world class yet, maybe in 2 years time he'll be world class, but that's an if. The price of being world class/proven, providing you are in the right age bracket (say no older than 27-28) should always be higher than the price of pure potential.

 

[chef]

 

[Zidane98]

Do you think AM are waiting until Jan to sign him?

 

[chef]

Do you think AM are waiting until Jan to sign him?

I think sanity will prevail and the clubs will do a deal before the window shuts.

 

[FAITH]

How can CFC treat a great this badly?
Says a lot bout your club IMO still a way to go

 

[Gosha]

Lol Diego portrays himself to be such an angel. I don't think he's as innocent as he's making it out to be.

 

[apollo_creed]

lol Coutinho is average. Very inconsistent and hasn't even delivered consistently in one PL season.
Barca are desperate.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Barca are desperate.

Of course they are, they've just signed Paulinho. What has happened to football this summer

 

[moomba]

Heard us mentioned with VVD for the first time in ages.

More a "keep us informed" than anything.

 

[Magma]

i dont think paulinho is as bad as he's being made out to be, but to spend 40 mil on a guy who isnt better than andre gomes is just utterly bemusing. especially when 40 mil can get you seri who imo is a pretty good player.

 

[Zidane98]

i dont think paulinho is as bad as he's being made out to be, but to spend 40 mil on a guy who isnt better than andre gomes is just utterly bemusing. especially when 40 mil can get you seri who imo is a pretty good player.

Most embarrassing is paying an actual release clause from a Chinese club. Pretty sure it's the first time it has ever happened.

 

[jod23]

Liverpool just need to try placate him slightly by guaranteeing they will sell him next summer. They can then hunt down 2 replacements Keita and ?.
They would be mad to sell him this summer, and look weak. Who cares if he is being a twat, just ride it out. Zero benefit to selling now.

Exactly. We simply cant do it. We just need to do the Suarez thing again. Say no. Bring him back in the fold. Get one more good year out of him and line up a replacement. Then sell next summer.

 

[moomba]

Exactly. We simply cant do it. We just need to do the Suarez thing again. Say no. Bring him back in the fold. Get one more good year out of him and line up a replacement. Then sell next summer.

I think it depends on his attitude. That could work if you are confident he'll be 100% committed for the season. But often all you'll get is a so so season from the player and more disruption.

Other complication is that if Barca don't get Coutinho now they'll look for someone else. His dream move might not be available to him in 12 months time.

For me, I'd look to move an uncommitted player on every time.

 

[jod23]

It's pretty obvious those stories are a tactic used by Barca to push a transfer through.

Coutinho isn't signing a long term deal with a manager that he has personal problems with.

Yeah I think those reports are really wide of the mark. Would make zero sense to sign a long term contract just 6 months ago if he had issues with Klopp.

 

[Zidane98]

Of course they are, they've just signed Paulinho. What has happened to football this summer

You should be spewing there is no sell on clause!!!!

 

[Zidane98]

I think it depends on his attitude. That could work if you are confident he'll be 100% committed for the season. But often all you'll get is a so so season from the player and more disruption.

Other complication is that if Barca don't get Coutinho now they'll look for someone else. His dream move might not be available to him in 12 months time.

For me, I'd look to move an uncommitted player on every time.

You can only move a player on if he has been replaced. We'll look to sign a replacement but that may prove difficult in the remainder of the window. If we can't he stays and puts his best foot forward so Barca come back for him in a years time. It really is as simple as that.

 

[moomba]

I just don't share the view that you can't make good signings this late in the window.

You might get bent over a bit, but you'll be getting well over the odds for Coutinho and havent touched VVD/Keita money yet.

 

[FAITH]

Lol
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...jk-Premier-League-Jurgen-Klopp-Pellegrino/amp

 

[moomba]

Costa is looking pretty much like the Tevez golfing holiday. I remember he didn't get paid for a while and when he came back got the maximum fine we could give him.

Also remember threats of legal action over some rule saying that if you play less than 10% of your games you can release yourself from your contract. Not sure that rule still exists, and in any case like with Tevez you can't really complain about your lack of game time when you're chilling in South America instead of working on the training pitch.

 

[Zidane98]

I just don't share the view that you can't make good signings this late in the window.

You might get bent over a bit, but you'll be getting well over the odds for Coutinho and havent touched VVD/Keita money yet.

Name one suitable player that is owned by a club that would be prepared to sell.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Name one suitable player that is owned by a club that would be prepared to sell.

Moussa Sissoko. Look, I don't like to see you struggling so I'll give you mates rates in your time of need. 10m and a signed promise to keep Moreno

 

[Magma]

speaking of weird signings, jese is signing for stoke on loan.

 

[pantskyle]

speaking of weird signings, jese is signing for stoke on loan.

Jese really in no man's land at PSG, needs a good year. Could do well with Shaqiri.

 

[moomba]

Name one suitable player that is owned by a club that would be prepared to sell.

I still think you could get Keita and VVD for sort of money you'd get for Coutinho.

But it doesnt have to be a big name. Coutinho himself was bought at the end of the January window for not much. And he contributed straight away.

You could look to PSG who might be offloading soon. Monaco who seem happy to sell. I don't even think you need a direct Coutinho replacement. Money better spebt elsewhere.