Transfer discussion thread

[Cruyff14]

I think three years from now things won't be quite so problematic as now. It's not like they've suffered a nuclear attack..

What if that orange muppet is still in charge?

 

[SM]

What if that orange muppet is still in charge?

Just a hunch, but I reckon if there's an actual vaccine released, the US will get it just the same as everywhere else. If there's no vaccine ever then we have bigger problems than whether Messi will go to NYC.

 

[Cruyff14]

Just a hunch, but I reckon if there's an actual vaccine released, the US will get it just the same as everywhere else. If there's no vaccine ever then we have bigger problems than whether Messi will go to NYC.

I wasn't just referencing corona ftr.

I can't remember seeing the US in a worse place - 9/11 aside in my lifetime - after what has happened with all the racial stuff, police etc etc

 

[SM]

I wasn't just referencing corona ftr.

I can't remember seeing the US in a worse place - 9/11 aside in my lifetime - after what has happened with all the racial stuff, police etc etc

I'm a bit confused then, the racial tensions/violence aren't any worse than they've ever been, they're just far more front and centre now. I don't think Messi is going to refuse to play sport in America because of that.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Ben who?....

Leeds ready to bid £27m for Brazilian ace but offer is £7m short

Leeds are allegedly set to make a bid for Lazio defender Luiz Felipe. According to Italian media reports, the Whites are eyeing the 23-year-old Brazilian centre-back as Marcelo Bielsa seeks to stre…

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[moomba]

Its up to Messi to convince FIFA that he should be allowed to use an expired clause to end his contract. As things currently stand Messi is a Barca player until 2021 unless someone pays his buyout fee or pays a fee which Barca agree to in order to end his contract. The risk is with Messi, he could face a FIFA ban if he persists with trying to unilaterally break his contact.

He's done nothing that would warrant a ban, and will do nothing that would warrant a ban.

If he moves it will be because it has been sorted with FIFA, the Spanish courts or between Barca and Messi's new club.

 

[Jaymin]

Can the Bigfooty experts let me know why this guy will be no good and ultimately lead Leeds to relegation?

 

[moomba]

Oh my bad misread.

Do we know if he wants to play in MLS / for city New York umbrella?

I've never heard him talk of it, but haven't really heard him talk much about his future (other than Newell's Old Boys).

Any deal over New York would be totally separate to an agreement with City. He might have an arrangement at CFG level but as far as City goes we could only contract him to play for us.

 

[moomba]

Can the Bigfooty experts let me know why this guy will be no good and ultimately lead Leeds to relegation?

Better than Titus Bramble apparently.

 

[SM]

Can the Bigfooty experts let me know why this guy will be no good and ultimately lead Leeds to relegation?

Nah he's a good signing to help you on your way to 2nd.

 

[SM]

He's done nothing that would warrant a ban, and will do nothing that would warrant a ban.

If he moves it will be because it has been sorted with FIFA, the Spanish courts or between Barca and Messi's new club.

 

[moomba]

Put simply, unless we have confirmation from FIFA or the courts, or we come to a deal with Barca we just won't sign Messi.

This idea that we'll sign him on a free and then get a three quarters of a billion knock on the door in a years time is just ridiculous.

 

[mike123]

Can the Bigfooty experts let me know why this guy will be no good and ultimately lead Leeds to relegation?

He’s good

 

[Zidane98]

Put simply, unless we have confirmation from FIFA or the courts, or we come to a deal with Barca we just won't sign Messi.

This idea that we'll sign him on a free and then get a three quarters of a billion knock on the door in a years time is just ridiculous.

FIFA wont allow the transfer anyway unless Barca agrees.

 

[moomba]

FIFA wont allow the transfer anyway unless Barca agrees.

They could rule that the clause was still in effect when Messi exercised it. If that happened Barca doesn't have a say.

 

[Zidane98]

They could rule that the clause was still in effect when Messi exercised it. If that happened Barca doesn't have a say.

Like you have stated previously FIFA cant change contracts, I thought you were pretty clear on that. The free transfer clause has expired, they wont be approving a unilateral player transfer.

 

[apollo_creed]

Can the Bigfooty experts let me know why this guy will be no good and ultimately lead Leeds to relegation?

He will win player of the season but you’ll still get relegated thanks to the unreciprocated obsession your club and disfigured fan base has with Chelsea and Frank Lampard.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Can the Bigfooty experts let me know why this guy will be no good and ultimately lead Leeds to relegation?

Because Leeds think they're getting Filipe Luis.

 

[moomba]

Like you have stated previously FIFA cant change contracts, I thought you were pretty clear on that. The free transfer clause has expired, they wont be approving a unilateral player transfer.

FIFA can't change contracts, its got to be something agreed between player and club.

Without knowing the exact wording of the clause it's impossible to tell if Messi has a case or not. Some talk that the clause had to be executed with 7 days after the end of the season. Others that there was a set date, but the extension of the season had an implied effect on other terms of the contract.

That's what FIFA and the lawyers will rule on if requested. You make it out as if it's black and white, right or wrong. Something like this is always going to be full of grey areas. Which is why I suspect all parties would prefer to make a deal.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[Zidane98]

FIFA can't change contracts, its got to be something agreed between player and club.

Without knowing the exact wording of the clause it's impossible to tell if Messi has a case or not. Some talk that the clause had to be executed with 7 days after the end of the season. Others that there was a set date, but the extension of the season had an implied effect on other terms of the contract.

That's what FIFA and the lawyers will rule on if requested. You make it out as if it's black and white, right or wrong. Something like this is always going to be full of grey areas. Which is why I suspect all parties would prefer to make a deal.

I remember your responses to FIFA's suggestions of player contracts being extended automatically due to the longer season being pretty black or white. Theres no differemce here, Messi is trying to use the same argument with his expired get out clause. FIFA cant and wont help with that.

 

[moomba]

I remember your responses to FIFA's suggestions of player contracts being extended automatically due to the longer season being pretty black or white. Theres no differemce here, Messi is trying to use the same argument with his expired get out clause. FIFA cant and wont help with that.

It is pretty black and white. FIFA can't amend a contract between a player and club.

But player and club can, and unless you have some form of inside knowledge on Messi's contract and any amendments made to it I can't see how you could say with any confidence what the effect of those changes (if any) are. Or is this one of your "what I want to happen"legal opinions?

 

[SM]

That's a huge signing.

 

[dirty2]

Neither got bowled for a duck in their last test.

That makes Gillespie the goat?

 

[Zidane98]

It is pretty black and white. FIFA can't amend a contract between a player and club.

But player and club can, and unless you have some form of inside knowledge on Messi's contract and any amendments made to it I can't see how you could say with any confidence what the effect of those changes (if any) are. Or is this one of your "what I want to happen"legal opinions?

No, the fax that Messi's agent supposedly sent says he wants a free transfer "in the spirit" of the deal.

Also, pretty much every source is reporting that his contract has a yearly get out clause which requires him to notify Barca he wants to use it by the end of May and that it expired in June. FIFA are not going to intervene in that scenario and it would be inapproproate for them to do so.

Messi is under contract until 2021 and gling nowherre unless Barca agree to let him go.