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Only £10m upfront apparently. Had to pay more as the rest is over 5 years.
Sold, to the man with the Levy avatar. (id only be De Jong & Dias away from my original wish list for Poch)
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Havertz had 2 years left(Mount only one) and I guess you could say he has a higher ceiling. Though Mase got the higher wage.
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Mount was. I'm sure Arsenal negotiated similar terms as they are with Rice.You saying havertz was only 10m up front?Edu doing some good FM s**t then I guess...
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One day the entire football pyramid scheme is going to come crumbling down with these massive deals and long term payments
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It didn't during COVID so not sure when it will.
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Hopefully
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You don't like the football pyramid?
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I like the idea of the football pyramid. Not what it has become.
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What has it become?
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It started as a merit based system where teams at the top of each league (excluding the prem) won promotion and teams at the bottom were relegated and a sufficient amount of money filtered down the pyramid with the aim of supporting lower level and grassroots football. My club is just as responsible for this as anyone else, perhaps more so in some cases.
This is clearly not happening for a number of reasons. Some of which I have outlined below and some of which describes by general disillutionment with the sport:
FA Cup
- FA Cup Replays being scrapped
- The FA should have forced United to defend the FA Cup in 2000. United not playing potentially robbed a lower league team from receiving important money to fund their future and devalued the competition as a whole. This arguably led to the competition being devalued with prem teams playing kids/reserves.
Merit
- Teams aren't promoted or relegated based on merit any more. There are several instances of teams cheating and breaking several domestic and European football rules and either not being punished in the season in which they happened or not punished at all. For example, West Ham vs Sheffield United, Everton in the season just gone and Manchester City for the last 15 years.
- The bending and breaking of rules has led to the financial gap throughout the pyramid widening. State ownership is and will continue to widen this gap and put unreasonable pressure on other clubs to keep up
- The Premier League clubs and championship clubs (to an extent) hoard all the money from the game meaning teams from league 1 and below survive on the smell of an oily rag
- “We don’t want too many Leicester Citys.” These were the words spoken by a senior figure from the Premier League’s ‘big six’ clubs, in the kind of high-end London hotel you can easily imagine.
- It seems as though lower league clubs are going into administration and closing at an increasing rate. Several teams tried to be a Leicester and failed which sent them back to the brink of insolvency for a period and if they weren't such big clubs they'd have gone under. Valencia and Leeds are examples of this.
- Many teams have the resources to buy players but not the resources to keep them meaning that they cannot progress up the table and challenge consistently.
- Leagues around Europe are becoming less competitive by the season, both in number of teams competing and margin of victory. We are 'lucky' to an extent in England that there are quite a few well resourced clubs but who in their right mind wants to watch Abu Dhabi (City) vs Saudi Arabia (Newcastle) vs Manchester United (Qatar). Owners used to be treated with suspicion in this country by their teams own fans. Now they are supported and defended just as heavily by their own supporters. It is grotesque.
Other
- Up until 1983, the FA at that time had in place a 19th-century regulation called Rule 34, which at least acknowledged clubs were a social institution. Rule 34 prohibited directors from being paid and restricted dividends to shareholders. Spurs broke this with FA's permission
- Football 'Groups' owned by questionable means at best are now stuck as investments/feeder clubs for main teams and long term success and hope is difficult to imagine in most leagues.
On a complete tangent, We have a situation over here where lawyers consider the deportation of illegal immigrants into the UK to Rwanda is deemed unlawful for many reasons including breaking the UNHCR due to being unsafe, having terrible living conditions and a history of genocide. Arsenal seem completely fine marketing the country for tourism though.
Maybe the best thing for everyone is for the campaignerish clubs to **** off to a super league and leave everyone else to get on with things in a sustainable and merit based manner. Money from football is supposed to be distributed in a way that results in sustainability and growth for all in the pyramid and yet it seems like every year the percentage of money generated is being held at the point end of league. Every time redistribution is put on the table, the top 6 threaten a super league and have done so for two decades.
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Leicester abused EFL ffp rules but avoided sanction by being promoted. Dare say if you got your way they’d have been denied promotion.
£3.1m settlement after winning the EPL title doesn’t even seem like a punishment.
£3.1m settlement after winning the EPL title doesn’t even seem like a punishment.
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lol.
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Especially when they got that back straight away from Champions League TV rights.
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Sounds like we'll terminate his contract if we cant sell.
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