Transfer discussion thread

[Jatz]

Man the transfer market is depressing these days.

Arsenal come in with a pretty reasonable bid and then just get dwarfed by their much richer rivals.

I know that's always potentially been the case but I don't think the gap has ever been as large as where it is now.

 

[Jatz]

With Tonali going to Newcastle, apparently they're out of the running for Maddison.

Be interesting to see where he now ends up. Spurs won't meet our valuation.

 

[Zidane98]

It makes no sense. If those players were sold elsewhere Chelsea would still receive a fee. The players might not receive the mega wages elsewhere but that has nothing to do with Chelsea/FFP.

Of course it does. Chelsea can shift players that they otherwise couldn't and get a direct FFP boost this summer. Plus in the background Boehly could be getting kickback investment from PIF into Clearlake.

 

[Zidane98]

Man the transfer market is depressing these days.

Arsenal come in with a pretty reasonable bid and then just get dwarfed by their much richer rivals.

I know that's always potentially been the case but I don't think the gap has ever been as large as where it is now.

Time to ban state backed investment into clubs. It's destroyed the transfer market.

 

[moomba]

Of course it does. Chelsea can shift players that they otherwise couldn't and get a direct FFP boost this summer. Plus in the background Boehly could be getting kickback investment from PIF into Clearlake.

There's not much point saying that a players has a transfer market value of €20M (for example) if you couldn't sell them for €20m.

If it was a players that they couldn't shift their transfer market value would be €0.

 

[moomba]

Man the transfer market is depressing these days.

Arsenal come in with a pretty reasonable bid and then just get dwarfed by their much richer rivals.

I know that's always potentially been the case but I don't think the gap has ever been as large as where it is now.

Arsenal have spent nearly €450m on new signings in the past three seasons and are looking at £65m for Haverz.

They put in a bid for Rice that West Ham was never going to accept, and if they up their bid I'd still have them as favourites.

FWIW we've spent €461m in the same period.

 

[chef]

Yeah Arsenal arent some poor team. They spend as much as any.

 

[Jatz]

Arsenal have spent nearly €450m on new signings in the past three seasons and are looking at £65m for Haverz.

They put in a bid for Rice that West Ham was never going to accept, and if they up their bid I'd still have them as favourites.

FWIW we've spent €461m in the same period.

Ultimately though, if you decide you want Rice and it's between both clubs, where's he going to end up?

There are clubs that can just blast others out of the water.

Looking at spend over the last 3 seasons is a touch flawed. If you look at both squads at the beginning of that time, you were champions and Arsenal were miles off.

You've still outspent them over a 3 year period when your squad was already well established and successful.

This is not a crack at City, if you've got the money, flaunt it. I don't care who the club is, I just think this is further killing competition in what is already a very uncompetitive league.

 

[Jatz]

Yeah Arsenal arent some poor team. They spend as much as any.

Do they? What's their wage bill compared to City's or Chelsea's?

They aren't poor in the same sense that a Bournemouth is but they're also not rich in the same way your clubs are.

 

[moomba]

Ultimately though, if you decide you want Rice and it's between both clubs, where's he going to end up?

There are clubs that can just blast others out of the water.

Looking at spend over the last 3 seasons is a touch flawed. If you look at both squads at the beginning of that time, you were champions and Arsenal were miles off.

You've still outspent them over a 3 year period when your squad was already well established and successful.

This is not a crack at City, if you've got the money, flaunt it. I don't care who the club is, I just think this is further killing competition in what is already a very uncompetitive league.

I don't think it is as simple as that. If Arsenal meet West Hams valuation I think he'll go there. If you look at what they've bid so far, West Ham are never going to accept it. And that's down to Arsenal and West Ham.

We have spent slightly more than Arsenal on transfers, we've also had to replace the likes of Aguero, Fernandinho, Torres, Jesus, Sterling etc (we've sold €300m worth of players in the last three years) so I'm not sure we were as established as you might think.

 

[DBAH0]

Yep if Arsenal hadn't stuffed around, Rice would be a Gunner already.

Still a chance he may, but their focus seemed to go to other bids and players in the past week also.

 

[chef]

Do they? What's their wage bill compared to City's or Chelsea's?

They aren't poor in the same sense that a Bournemouth is but they're also not rich in the same way your clubs are.

They'll have a bigger one than us next season, we are in the process of slashing the squad and we have a different wage structure too. It's all aboard the youf train with us.

The new wage structure has just cost us Havertz and Mount.

 

[Magma]

they should be used to getting pipped at the post by us at this point anyways

 

[The Filth Wizard]

they should be used to getting pipped at the post by us at this point anyways

 

[Jatz]

I don't think it is as simple as that. If Arsenal meet West Hams valuation I think he'll go there. If you look at what they've bid so far, West Ham are never going to accept it. And that's down to Arsenal and West Ham.

We have spent slightly more than Arsenal on transfers, we've also had to replace the likes of Aguero, Fernandinho, Torres, Jesus, Sterling etc (we've sold €300m worth of players in the last three years) so I'm not sure we were as established as you might think.

How many clubs come in straight off the bat and offer exactly the valuation?

Transfer movements have always been about making deals where both clubs win. If Arsenal can get him for 10m pounds less than asking, that might be the difference between adding another player into the squad or not. Instead, we've now got clubs that really can just come in over the top and not have to worry because the extra 10m makes zero difference to their transfer budget.

You've won 5 of the last 6 league titles, how much more established could you possibly be? Yes players are going to leave during a span of that length but you were always building from a much better squad than any other club in the country.

 

[Jatz]

They'll have a bigger one than us next season, we are in the process of slashing the squad and we have a different wage structure too. It's all aboard the youf train with us.

The new wage structure has just cost us Havertz and Mount.

So for the first time in 20 odd years they might go ahead? That's only after your club bought in 3 different first 11's which you've then managed to sell on reasonably well.

Like I said, Arsenal are obviously well off but they've not been in the same region as the very rich clubs for a while.

 

[chef]

So for the first time in 20 odd years they might go ahead? That's only after your club bought in 3 different first 11's which you've then managed to sell on reasonably well.

Like I said, Arsenal are obviously well off but they've not been in the same region as the very rich clubs for a while.

Arsenal have comfortably been in the top four for wages for like forever. There maybe be 2 or 3 bigger but they a far from poor.

They could have had Rice sorted by now but are just dicking Hammers around trying to save a few million. While chucking heaps at us for a flaky forward.

 

[RossFC]

How's Arsenal's debt situation? Apparently they've lost 250mil over the last 4 years.

 

[moomba]

How many clubs come in straight off the bat and offer exactly the valuation?

Very few, including us.

But when you play that game you run the risk of missing out on your targets.

Transfer movements have always been about making deals where both clubs win. If Arsenal can get him for 10m pounds less than asking, that might be the difference between adding another player into the squad or not. Instead, we've now got clubs that really can just come in over the top and not have to worry because the extra 10m makes zero difference to their transfer budget.

£10m makes a very big difference to our budget, and we have passed on a number of signings because we aren't prepared to pay what it takes.

You've won 5 of the last 6 league titles, how much more established could you possibly be? Yes players are going to leave during a span of that length but you were always building from a much better squad than any other club in the country.

A bit of a pointless argument really. Arsenal spend as much as us right now. Probably more when you factor in sales, and have done so for probably 5 years now. If they miss out on Rice it won't be because we're spending more than them. It will be because they weren't prepared to pay what West Ham wanted, or they were focused on spending £65m on Haverz, or they just plain cocked up.

 

[hawkman]

Think I'd rather $40,000,001 almost, but bit harsh on Elanga....

That makes Arsenal's offer look great.

There would be more value in 30m + Elanga than accepting an extra 10m to have to take on Maguire

 

[Frank Bunn]

That makes Arsenal's offer look great.

There would be more value in 30m + Elanga than accepting an extra 10m to have to take on Maguire

Elanga might suit Everton.

How about Pickford for Elanga, Maguire, Phil Jones, Van de Beek, and a couple of chip butties.

 

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