Transfer discussion thread

[moomba]

They can just move the players they don't want to Saudi or France.

As can anyone.

But having them money longer contracts means that if they do offload players the greater unamortised value of the player eats into the profit, or in some cases makes it pointless to offload on the cheap as it could result in a loss.

 

[RossFC]

 

[RossFC]

 

[jod23]

The Soz wait continues.

 

[Frank Bunn]

It started as a merit based system where teams at the top of each league (excluding the prem) won promotion and teams at the bottom were relegated and a sufficient amount of money filtered down the pyramid with the aim of supporting lower level and grassroots football. My club is just as responsible for this as anyone else, perhaps more so in some cases.

This is clearly not happening for a number of reasons. Some of which I have outlined below and some of which describes by general disillutionment with the sport:

FA Cup

• FA Cup Replays being scrapped
• The FA should have forced United to defend the FA Cup in 2000. United not playing potentially robbed a lower league team from receiving important money to fund their future and devalued the competition as a whole. This arguably led to the competition being devalued with prem teams playing kids/reserves.

Merit

• Teams aren't promoted or relegated based on merit any more. There are several instances of teams cheating and breaking several domestic and European football rules and either not being punished in the season in which they happened or not punished at all. For example, West Ham vs Sheffield United, Everton in the season just gone and Manchester City for the last 15 years.
• The bending and breaking of rules has led to the financial gap throughout the pyramid widening. State ownership is and will continue to widen this gap and put unreasonable pressure on other clubs to keep up
• The Premier League clubs and championship clubs (to an extent) hoard all the money from the game meaning teams from league 1 and below survive on the smell of an oily rag
• “We don’t want too many Leicester Citys.” These were the words spoken by a senior figure from the Premier League’s ‘big six’ clubs, in the kind of high-end London hotel you can easily imagine.
• It seems as though lower league clubs are going into administration and closing at an increasing rate. Several teams tried to be a Leicester and failed which sent them back to the brink of insolvency for a period and if they weren't such big clubs they'd have gone under. Valencia and Leeds are examples of this.
• Many teams have the resources to buy players but not the resources to keep them meaning that they cannot progress up the table and challenge consistently.
• Leagues around Europe are becoming less competitive by the season, both in number of teams competing and margin of victory. We are 'lucky' to an extent in England that there are quite a few well resourced clubs but who in their right mind wants to watch Abu Dhabi (City) vs Saudi Arabia (Newcastle) vs Manchester United (Qatar). Owners used to be treated with suspicion in this country by their teams own fans. Now they are supported and defended just as heavily by their own supporters. It is grotesque.

Other

• Up until 1983, the FA at that time had in place a 19th-century regulation called Rule 34, which at least acknowledged clubs were a social institution. Rule 34 prohibited directors from being paid and restricted dividends to shareholders. Spurs broke this with FA's permission
• Football 'Groups' owned by questionable means at best are now stuck as investments/feeder clubs for main teams and long term success and hope is difficult to imagine in most leagues.

On a complete tangent, We have a situation over here where lawyers consider the deportation of illegal immigrants into the UK to Rwanda is deemed unlawful for many reasons including breaking the UNHCR due to being unsafe, having terrible living conditions and a history of genocide. Arsenal seem completely fine marketing the country for tourism though.

Maybe the best thing for everyone is for the campaignerish clubs to * off to a super league and leave everyone else to get on with things in a sustainable and merit based manner. Money from football is supposed to be distributed in a way that results in sustainability and growth for all in the pyramid and yet it seems like every year the percentage of money generated is being held at the point end of league. Every time redistribution is put on the table, the top 6 threaten a super league and have done so for two decades.

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A lot of what you posted isn't particularly relevant to the football pyramid. Like United not playing the FA Cup 20 years ago or the number of different clubs finishing in the top 4.

There's automatic promotion and relegation between every level in the pyramid. It gives hope to supporters. Luton were in the Conference as recently as 2014 and now they are in the Premier League.

The issue of sharing revenue to the EFL clubs is an ongoing discussion. The existing deal which runs from 2022 to 2025 provides about £1.6 billion to the 2nd, 3rd and 4th tier clubs.

Parachute payments see clubs relegated from the Premier League receive a percentage of the broadcasting rights each Premier League club receives. This percentage drops progressively over a three-year period – 55% in the first year, 45% in year two and, if the club was in the Premier League for more than one season before relegation, 20% in the third year. It's a hard call because there's a big drop in finances if you drop out of the PL but it also gives a big advantage to the relegated clubs over the other Championship clubs.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

The Soz wait continues.

You’re signing Sozabarus ?
Gives me DM vibes.

 

[DBAH0]

Finally announced, think he was put on Gardening Leave at Leverkusen which is why they couldn't do it before July 1.

 

[chef]

 

[Bojan KantKick]

As can anyone.

But having them money longer contracts means that if they do offload players the greater unamortised value of the player eats into the profit, or in some cases makes it pointless to offload on the cheap as it could result in a loss.

Not everyone has an overseas club or nation in their group who can take over lost causes and/or recapitalise the UBO. Not all clubs care about a loss either.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Chelsea are spending more on PR than players atm hahaha

 

[chef]

Chelsea are spending more on PR than players atm hahaha

I doubt we care tbh. We seem more than happy to cash in atm.

 

[chef]

Interesting to see how AMA and Szo go together.

 

[jd2010]

Two good gets from Leicester. If he can stay fit Winks should dominate the championship with a possession based manager. He dominated Modric and Casimero at Wembley with Sissoko by his side. Career massively went the same trajectory as the club as we moved to 3 counter attacking managers after Poch

 

[moomba]

Not everyone has an overseas club or nation in their group who can take over lost causes and/or recapitalise the UBO. Not all clubs care about a loss either.

Are you suggesting that Chelsea can tell Saudi to buy their unwanted players?

Any transaction with a related party is subject to fair market rule. If Chelsea (or anyone else) sells to a related party it is for a price they could reasonably be expected to get from any other club.

 

[Bostonian]

Does it contain a No Brighton clause?

Well he wants to be at Brighton that much is certain.

Hopefully he leverages that into a huge pay day for himself from the clowns that own Chelsea.

 

[Bostonian]

Would need to ask Tony Bloom. Don’t trust a journo

Paul Barber. Get it right you dumbarses

 

[Bostonian]

They haven't been tapping him up without speaking to Chelsea, have they?

Nope. He just forgot he was still contracted to Chelsea.

The poor lad. His heart sank when he found out he still was.

 

[chef]

Well he wants to be at Brighton that much is certain.

Sounds like he just wants to play.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Coady is a good signing for Leicester. Him and Souttar should perform well at Championship level. They probably need to sign another CB. Evans is clearly Leicester's best CB but has struggled with injuries. Söyüncü has gone. Vestergaard's future is unclear. Faes is garbage.

Winks is another good recruit under a possession style coach.

 

[Zidane98]

Are you suggesting that Chelsea can tell Saudi to buy their unwanted players?

Any transaction with a related party is subject to fair market rule. If Chelsea (or anyone else) sells to a related party it is for a price they could reasonably be expected to get from any other club.

We've been over this. At the wages the Saudis are paying fair market value is donuts. No other clubs (apart from the other 3 Saudi govt owned clubs) would cough up even a third of the wages the Saudis are paying considering the transfer fees offered.

You do like to try and paint it as a normal transaction between two clubs but it simply isn't and the Saudi government is heavily involved.

State backed clubs are simply a cancer on modern day football.

 

[Bostonian]

Sounds like he just wants to play.

No doubt.

But with a club like Chelsea he's not guaranteed that he gets to play as often or in a style he might prefer.

 

[chef]

No doubt.

But with a club like Chelsea he's not guaranteed that he gets to play as often or in a style he might prefer.

He'll be out best CB under a manager whos good at developing youf. He'll be alright.

 

[Frank Bunn]

He'll be out best CB under a manager whos good at developing youf. He'll be alright.

I reckon Thiago and W Fofana would be ahead of Colwill right now. But he will get games.

Could he play RB? It looks like Azpi is leaving. Reece James is the best RB in the PL but can't stay on the field for long. Malo Gusto is inexperienced and has also had injury issues.

 

[SM]

Crazy that Winks is 27, feels a bit of a wasted career so far.

 

[RossFC]

Crazy that Winks is 27, feels a bit of a wasted career so far.

wow legit thought he was 22.