Transfer Discussion Thread

[jd2010]

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We arent calling for us to go crazy like Villa and risk it all.

Just go from where we are to Arsenal's 53% and the wage bill rises from 258m to 328m. Over 1m a week extra in wages available. Trying to compete with sides operating with good structures in the 53-63% mark who have a bit more in revenue, and you wonder why you can't end the 20 year cycle.

Credit where it is due the revenue gap has dropped and the only reason we are below Liverpool and Arsenal on overall revenue is because we aren't competitive enough on the pitch to get to the CL like they have.

Another way to look at this is imagine how Liverpool or Arsenal would be looking on the pitch operating under the dictatorship of Levy. Liverpool currently spending 387m would have to shed 87m in wages (1.7m per week gone). Arsenal would have to drop 26m in wages (500k per week). They'd be nowhere near as good as they currently are if they had owners with Levy's ambition

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Football clubs rarely if ever go broke for making losses each year. They go broke because owners lose interest and fail to find a buyer. And that is incredibly rare. Spurs wouldn't struggle to find a buyer.

I think we'd all love a new owner.

From a pure theoretical pov if you're charging highest season tickets, lowest wages in the league as a % and still only bringing in £35m in profit that's not a great business model to succeed given the volume of money we're talking about. Can't appease fans by lowering tickets, and increasing wages leads to losses that can only continue while you have cash.

The solution is to not churn through so many managers, and their payouts. Not spend hundreds of millions replacing players the old manager liked but the new guy doesn't and not wasting money on poor buys. Boils down to needing better DoF and better scouts. So when £60m is spent on a player it isn't Richarlison or Johnson.

We're running through our money because we waste it in the market. Spend it better and the money saved from not churning through players and managers can increase the wages and still be profitable and sustainable.

 

[moomba]

This shows we're wealthy comparative to most of Europe. Still 5 larger.

If high profile trade/FA targets are available how often are you or NM convincing them to choose you over Coll, Carl etc?

Football transfers are a pyramid, the higher up you go the smaller the pool of players and the demand for them is high. Arsenal paid 100m for an Rodri lite. Lewandowski and Kane at 30 or older command high transfer fees because elite CF are hard to find.

The money league shows we're rich, not that it's easy to find players, and pay them.



Both of these are fair critiques.

Looking at it slightly different, we charge our fans the highest of high season ticket prices, spend around €200m a year on transfers and yet our wage turnover is low... And to on average retain around only £35m per season at the end of it.

Increasing the wage bill to be comparable to Arse, Che would see losses not profits, and that £250m in stored profits would evaporate quickly. If we matched both for wages on our current trajectory we'd run out of money within 7-10 years. Football is a business and you can't make losses every year or you go broke

What I'm getting at is that we're not making much profit considering the things you're criticising like wage spend. Not even taking into account that spending more on wages to attract better players often means they also cost more to buy.

One thing football does is reward clubs for performance.

Getting into the champions league is worth over £100m now. Spurs have done it a few times but would need to o crease their spending to do it on a consistent basis.

Every league position is worth a couple of million. Sponsors pay more and there are more of them. It's not all one way.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

One thing football does is reward clubs for performance.

Getting into the champions league is worth over £100m now. Spurs have done it a few times but would need to o crease their spending to do it on a consistent basis.

Every league position is worth a couple of million. Sponsors pay more and there are more of them. It's not all one way.

Don't disagree. Our revenue growth is largest from non-football activities. But no European revenue hurts all clubs who've become accustom to having it.

I'm not arguing against the notion we overcharge fans and underpay players, it's there for all to see that both are true.

More that we're operating a flawed model. We should be making more profit for how tight a ship we run, and to push the boat out in line with fan expectations is unsustainable with how we operate at present. We waste too much cash we can't recoup.

 

[jd2010]

One thing football does is reward clubs for performance.

Getting into the champions league is worth over £100m now. Spurs have done it a few times but would need to o crease their spending to do it on a consistent basis.

Every league position is worth a couple of million. Sponsors pay more and there are more of them. It's not all one way.

Our broadcast revenue is only lower than arsenals because the table looks at them playing CL and us playing no European competition. Same goes with the matchday income we played just the 19 league home games and maybe 1 fa cup game, can't remember if that was home and away.

It's chicken and egg scenario in enics minds but clear as day for a lot of others. Increase the income by playing more matches in cups and Europe. How do you do that? Have better players. How do you get better players? Have a higher wage bill.

They run themselves into trouble or resistance because higher wage bills means lower profits. Lower profits means less caviar at supper / more chance for success on the field. Danny loves himself some caviar so we're perennially stuffed

 

[Zidane98]

This is fast becoming the Daniel Levy self help thread instead of a transfer thread.

 

[RossFC]

 

[RPCB]

Further proof that medicals are never foolproof. PSV have just signed a footballer, 3 new doctors, a club surgeon and ICU staff just to accommodate Malacia.

And then there is the case of Ben Chilwell passing his medical. You know Crystal Palace’s physio turned up for it like this

 

[chef]

 

[jd2010]

Further proof that medicals are never foolproof. PSV have just signed a footballer, 3 new doctors, a club surgeon and ICU staff just to accommodate Malacia.

And then there is the case of Ben Chilwell passing his medical. You know Crystal Palace’s physio turned up for it like this

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You know medicals aren't a pass or fail but are just a risk assessment tool?

 

[Jatz]

You know medicals aren't a pass or fail but are just a risk assessment tool?

A risk assessment tool that effectively becomes a pass/fail though.

 

[jd2010]

A risk assessment tool that effectively becomes a pass/fail though.

Not really. You use the risk with how much you're willing to committ to the deal. Malacia wouldn't have "passed" anything. They just would have deemed him worth taking on with the injury risk for the deal in front of them

 

[Jatz]

Not really. You use the risk with how much you're willing to committ to the deal. Malacia wouldn't have "passed" anything. They just would have deemed him worth taking on with the injury risk for the deal in front of them

There is no 'how much you're willing to commit' to a deal. It's absolute, you either do commit or you don't.

There's no obvious threshold number/figure they're looking at so in that sense, he hasn't 'passed' anything as you say.

It's less with passing but I firmly believe they can fail a medical. It's still a risk assessment but if they find something there that confirms they don't want to proceed with the deal, that's as good as a failed medical.

 

[jd2010]

There is no 'how much you're willing to commit' to a deal. It's absolute, you either do commit or you don't.

There's no obvious threshold number/figure they're looking at so in that sense, he hasn't 'passed' anything as you say.

It's less with passing but I firmly believe they can fail a medical. It's still a risk assessment but if they find something there that confirms they don't want to proceed with the deal, that's as good as a failed medical.

Failed for that club.

Same medical goes on somewhere else and they pass?

It's just that club 2 decides the concerns on the medical report are there but they're willing to look past them, thats what I'm saying. In cases like this with well known injury prone players, they don't magically have new medical practices or doctors who think the player is better all of a sudden

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Not really. You use the risk with how much you're willing to committ to the deal. Malacia wouldn't have "passed" anything. They just would have deemed him worth taking on with the injury risk for the deal in front of them

In a way Jatz is right. If the risk is too great they've failed your medical examination.

 

[jd2010]

In a way Jatz is right. If the risk is too great they've failed your medical examination.

Results on the medical test don't come back pass or fail is what I'm saying.

It's high risk for this, moderate for that, low for these. And the club then decides if they want to proceed with a deal with based on all of that info at hand. The same results will be seen as good enough for some clubs to sign a guy ("passed" medical) or too risky to take on for others ("failed" medical)

 

[RossFC]

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Staggering weekend.

Friday BM accept permanent sale. Player rejects wanting loan.

Weekend Arsenal enquire but choose not to pursue as they have enough LW players. United don't enquire about a permanent sale and knock back the 5m rising to 7.5m with bonuses loan fee as being too expensive.

Deadline day Ange convinces player to join on loan. In the afternoon with only hours left Tel is having a medical in London and Levy contacts BM to resurrect the permanent sale tweaking some details.

 

[RossFC]

 

[Sinjin Smith]

Willian has been pretty damn good for Fulham.

 

[RossFC]

 

[RossFC]

 

[Magma]

yeah there's no way at least 1 prem club isnt activating that clause

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Chose #93 as an homage to the 93rd minute UCL Final winner over rivals Atletico.
Rate that shithousery tbh

 

[Bradesmaen]

Chose #93 as an homage to the 93rd minute UCL Final winner over rivals Atletico.
Rate that shithousery tbh

Did you expect anything less from the man who has the most red cards in history in La Liga, the top 5 leagues and the Champions League?