Transfer Rumours Thread

[moomba]

Your ignoring the point and selective quoting once again. Putting all the blame on Curbs and not our medical staff is ignorant to say the least, If someone cut my toe off and died 2 days later would you blame the guy who cut my toe off or the doctors who couldnt fix it in time....

Sorry I'm confused. Which point am I ignoring:

The one about his good injury record at Liverpool despite three reported injuries in a year?

The one about none of his 30 or so injuries in the past 6 years being serious?

The one about not being injury prone despite this being his 7th hamstring strain?

And if someone cut my toe off, and I went to get it fixed but the doctors told me it was in perfectly good shape I'd be thinking the doctors were a bit clueless.

 

[Embers]

Sorry I'm confused. Which point am I ignoring:

The one about his good injury record at Liverpool despite three reported injuries in a year?

The one about none of his 30 or so injuries in the past 6 years being serious?

The one about not being injury prone despite this being his 7th hamstring strain?

And if someone cut my toe off, and I went to get it fixed but the doctors told me it was in perfectly good shape I'd be thinking the doctors were a bit clueless.

The one that his injury problems with us have been caused by the incompetence of our medical staff. If our own medical staff can admit they were the problem I dont see why you cant acknowlegde it

 

[Embers]

9 million for Reo-Coker was an excellent deal for Villa.

He was one of our better players last season and there aren't too many better players of his type in the Premier League.

Reo-Coker just needs to learn to keep things simple more often.

Regardless of what you think of him he was worth nowhere near 9 million. He had like 18 months left of his deal and we werent offering him a new one. Villa were the only club in for him too. I reckon 6 mill would of been a fair deal given what he was worth to us. Not very much.

Best thing we ever did was sell him.

 

[moomba]

Regardless of what you think of him he was worth nowhere near 9 million. He had like 18 months left of his deal and we werent offering him a new one. Villa were the only club in for him too. I reckon 6 mill would of been a fair deal given what he was worth to us. Not very much.

Best thing we ever did was sell him.

Well you did need the money to pay Freddie

 

[Embers]

Well you did need the money to pay Freddie

Or Scott Parker

 

[moomba]

Or Scott Parker

Yep, even though he is older, more injury prone and an inferior footballer that £1m or so you saved on the deal must have been appreciated in the Gudmonssen household.

 

[apollo_creed]

I hear good things about this Cuellar guy (I honestly have no idea. I'll reserve my judgement I suppose) but one thing's for certian. He's got Behrami covered in areas not relevant to football.

 

[davey_magik]

I hear good things about this Cuellar guy (I honestly have no idea. I'll reserve my judgement I suppose) but one thing's for certian. He's got Behrami covered in areas not relevant to football.

Yeh, nah.

 

[apollo_creed]

Yep, even though he is older, more injury prone and an inferior footballer that £1m or so you saved on the deal must have been appreciated in the Gudmonssen household.

Reo-Coker did seem expensive at the time but when you consider his age and the price of other footballers since and before then it's certainly not the worst deal in history.

And people will criticise the signing of Harewood and the price but for a third/fourth choice striker and back-up for Carew are Villa really going to be able to do any better?
People need to look at things in proper context more often.

Then there's last seasons signing of Knight. Probably the one I'd criticise/query most. As I've said before, if he could defend he'd be as good as Rio Ferdinand. Very quick and the tallest player in the Premiership (I think). He can come in handy (usually when he's not on the field) but as a third/fourth choice defender (now) are Villa really likely to do any better. I guess the obvious answer is Gary Cahill but Knight does have speed and height which can be useful at times. He did cost way too much though. Fulham fans were laughing at Villa.... and then they nearly got relegated.

O'Neill is usually cautious in the transfer market.

I'm not really sold on this Villa side yet - there's one obvious concern and it comes through the midfield and possibly being one striker short. Villa's midfield isn't great. It can be great but that's reliant on one man. Shut Ashley Young down and you pretty much shut Aston Villa down. I think we'll see a three man central midfield with Sidwell, Barry and Reo-Coker with Young having the sort of free role where he was inconsistent but at times excellent last season. That's the best way for Villa to play. And that's when Villa played their best football last season. The obvious question relating to Villa's success and their perhaps legitimate clams for fifth belongs to the performances and success of Steve Sidwell. I rate Petrov (not Gardner) so if he takes Petrov's starting spot (which he will - as things stand) then he'll need to play well to keep him out of the side. It took Petrov a while to settle in but he's a good footballer.

 

[KungFooSing]

Yep, even though he is older, more injury prone and an inferior footballer that £1m or so you saved on the deal must have been appreciated in the Gudmonssen household.

Don't you ever get tired of only getting on this board to bag anything Embers says? (ffs I am)

I don't know either of you but mate, you've got real issues.

The kind of issues you had when you were in primary school and there was a girl you liked and rather than be nice, you would just follow them round and pull their hair and call them names. Youve got those issues.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Evertons transfer summer gets worse! Now CSKA dont want to loan Vagner Love... no idea what is going on.

 

[moomba]

Don't you ever get tired of only getting on this board to bag anything Embers says? (ffs I am)

I don't know either of you but mate, you've got real issues.

The kind of issues you had when you were in primary school and there was a girl you liked and rather than be nice, you would just follow them round and pull their hair and call them names. Youve got those issues.

When people talk crap I like to correct them, just happens that embers talks crap a lot of the time.

And when you've been around for more than a second you might discover that I've been on this board for quite a while and post about a wide range of issues and about a wide range of clubs.

So quit your f**king sulking you baby.

 

[Borgsta]

Don't you ever get tired of only getting on this board to bag anything Embers says? (ffs I am)

I don't know either of you but mate, you've got real issues.

The kind of issues you had when you were in primary school and there was a girl you liked and rather than be nice, you would just follow them round and pull their hair and call them names. Youve got those issues.

Moomba only bags stupid statements. It doesn't matter who it comes from.

It just so happens that Embers is at ridiculous homer levels when it comes to WH.

 

[KungFooSing]

Haha. Righto.

 

[ShearMagic9]

You'd be a bit disappointed that Villa missed out on Carbull are you apollo?

 

[VINCANITY]

Hull are after Pizzaro

 

[DBAH0]

The signings we made last year were more then cancelled out by the insane transfer fees we got for our players

9 mill for Reo Joker, nearly 4 mill for Konchesky, 4.5 mill for Harewood. We even sold a bloke like Ephriam with 6 months of his contract left for 800k. IMO this is something people have failed to acknowledge. We are the masters of selling trash for the price of a treasure.

How did we get 1.5 mill for John Pantsil....

And yet we still have the likes of Nigel Quashie, Danny Gabbidon etc. on our books, and they don't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon.

Quashie in particular was just another brilliant signing by Curbishley, or is that BG's fault or the medical staff's fault on that one?

To me Embers, you're just trying to blame ownership for every problem we have, instead of looking at the real problem, the manager. It's a cop-out.

 

[Embers]

And yet we still have the likes of Nigel Quashie, Danny Gabbidon etc. on our books, and they don't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon.

Quashie in particular was just another brilliant signing by Curbishley, or is that BG's fault or the medical staff's fault on that one?

To me Embers, you're just trying to blame ownership for every problem we have, instead of looking at the real problem, the manager. It's a cop-out.

For mine the manager can only work with what he has. ATM he has **** all. You cant honestly tell me the fact we are in the bottom 2 for spending AGAIN is not of concern to you.... How can a team spending 10 million in 2 years move forward exactly...

Our season tickets are 850 pounds a seat and we only have enough money to sign Ben Thatcher. How is that Curbs fault... THe club wont even let him buy Mattock despite us making bids for him before

 

[DBAH0]

For mine the manager can only work with what he has. ATM he has **** all. You cant honestly tell me the fact we are in the bottom 2 for spending AGAIN is not of concern to you.... How can a team spending 10 million in 2 years move forward exactly...

Our season tickets are 850 pounds a seat and we only have enough money to sign Ben Thatcher. How is that Curbs fault... THe club wont even let him buy Mattock despite us making bids for him before

You say we're in the bottom 2 in spending. Well we're in the top 5 in wage bills, or at least we were when Ljungberg was at the club. That was my problem, buy good young players because you don't have to pay them upwards of $50,000 a week. It's Curbs' fault that he decided to spend $20M collectively on those group of players I mentioned, and then proceed to pay them about 300,000 pounds a week.

Anyways, there's a rumor going around that we've made a $3M bid for Victor Moses and we've included Quashie and Kyle Reid in a swap deal.

 

[Embers]

You say we're in the bottom 2 in spending. Well we're in the top 5 in wage bills, or at least we were when Ljungberg was at the club. That was my problem, buy good young players because you don't have to pay them upwards of $50,000 a week. It's Curbs' fault that he decided to spend $20M collectively on those group of players I mentioned, and then proceed to pay them about 300,000 pounds a week.

Anyways, there's a rumor going around that we've made a $3M bid for Victor Moses and we've included Quashie and Kyle Reid in a swap deal.

We have the largest squad around. Of course our wage bills gonna be a little high. Sure as shit not high enough to result in the complete lack of spending we have gone under in the past few years.

I dont think Curbs is that great either but IMO he cops all the blame on most Hammer forums while BG comes off smelling like roses. Im just fighting for the other cause because in reality we put up with alot less crap from Terry Brown and made alot more fuss over it too.

 

[MightyIrons]

Embers, just stop ranting for a bit and think about what you are saying ffs.


Just because a chairman/owner has money he does not have to spend it on players...in our case I think he is better off spending it on infrastructure for the time being, we now have a decent scout/TD by the looks of things in Nani, we are improving our medical facilities and staff etc.

This year is about consolidation as a business, like it or hate it is the facts, I would prefer to have a club that is going to continue to be around to support in 10 years than one that has disappeared to League 2 because they couldn't afford to sustain themselves.

 

[Liquor and Poker]

For mine the manager can only work with what he has. ATM he has **** all. You cant honestly tell me the fact we are in the bottom 2 for spending AGAIN is not of concern to you.... How can a team spending 10 million in 2 years move forward exactly...

Mark Hughes spent 9.5mn (net) in his 3+ years at Blackburn and had 3 consecutive top-10 finishes so it can be achieved although I agree if you're a club that has the cash it would be much better to be spending it - something I am sure Blackburn would love to be able to do.

 

[Embers]

Embers, just stop ranting for a bit and think about what you are saying ffs.


Just because a chairman/owner has money he does not have to spend it on players...in our case I think he is better off spending it on infrastructure for the time being, we now have a decent scout/TD by the looks of things in Nani, we are improving our medical facilities and staff etc.

This year is about consolidation as a business, like it or hate it is the facts, I would prefer to have a club that is going to continue to be around to support in 10 years than one that has disappeared to League 2 because they couldn't afford to sustain themselves.

If BG cant afford to run the club then he shoud sell. That is why Terry Brown sold the club..... Surely you can see the shit we hounded Terry Brown for is being repeated by BG without consequence

 

[moomba]

If BG cant afford to run the club then he shoud sell. That is why Terry Brown sold the club..... Surely you can see the shit we hounded Terry Brown for is being repeated by BG without consequence

Once he's fixed up Eggy's mess I'm sure the money will be more forthcoming. But you don't recover from a disaster like that overnight, so a bit of patience is required for West Ham supporters.

The comparison with Brown is silly as well, he wasn't hounded for not putting money into the club, he was hounded for selling off the crown jewels (Ferdinand, Cole etc) and not reinvesting it in the squad. By simply adding one or two the squad without selling your best players I would have thought that was an improvement over the Brown years.

 

[Embers]

Once he's fixed up Eggy's mess I'm sure the money will be more forthcoming. But you don't recover from a disaster like that overnight, so a bit of patience is required for West Ham supporters.

I hope your right but im not holding my breathe. Ever since we missed out on the Olympic stadium the direction has done a 180. I wouldnt be surprised if we had a new owner over the next 24 months.