Transfer Rumours Thread

[bus24]

This Corluka one is interesting. Apparently Hughes is trying to stop the deal???

WTF he is the manager? Surely he has a say in who can leave and who has to stay?

Not in these days of stupid americans, russian mobsters and Thai human rights abusers

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Onuoha is better IMO.

 

[Embers]

Onuoha is better IMO.

Tough call. Id prefer Corluka at CB and Onuoha at RB. I imagine Corluka is being bought as a CB but im not sure its a smart move if they pull it off. A bit too similar to Woodgate though youd think... Not much pace in a Woodgate Corluka partnership

 

[bus24]

Echo reporting that the Owners are not stumping up the money for Barry as they feel he is not needed.

I dislike them as much as anyone, but they're right on the money here.

Considering they'd just forked out (borrowed) 17m 6 months ago to make the Masch deal permanent, why the **** would they be spending another 18m on a player who plays in the same position.

Especially now with Xabi staying. I say well done. A ridiculous purchase that isn't needed, and we could do without another 18m worth of debt.

Get over it Rafa. Move on.

 

[Pie Legend]

Echo reporting that the Owners are not stumping up the money for Barry as they feel he is not needed.

I dislike them as much as anyone, but they're right on the money here.

Considering they'd just forked out (borrowed) 17m 6 months ago to make the Masch deal permanent, why the **** would they be spending another 18m on a player who plays in the same position.

Especially now with Xabi staying. I say well done. A ridiculous purchase that isn't needed, and we could do without another 18m worth of debt.

Get over it Rafa. Move on.

Wont make then anymore popular though

 

[bus24]

Wont make then anymore popular though

With the irrational gaggle in the "Rafa is always right, and if you don't agree you've got no idea about football" crew, maybe not.

But sane people, with the ability to use logic, can see exactly why they're correct.

 

[apollo_creed]

Echo reporting that the Owners are not stumping up the money for Barry as they feel he is not needed.

I dislike them as much as anyone, but they're right on the money here.

Considering they'd just forked out (borrowed) 17m 6 months ago to make the Masch deal permanent, why the **** would they be spending another 18m on a player who plays in the same position.

Especially now with Xabi staying. I say well done. A ridiculous purchase that isn't needed, and we could do without another 18m worth of debt.

Get over it Rafa. Move on.

Problem being - keep Alonso, get Barry, whatever.... you still don't have a squad even close to good enough to challenge for the title.

just nothing to get excited about.

 

[bus24]

Problem being - keep Alonso, get Barry, whatever.... you still don't have a squad even close to good enough to challenge for the title.

just nothing to get excited about.

At least we won't be another 18m in ridiculous debt that we can't actually afford to be in

Especially for some English plodder with no outstanding attributes to demand anywhere near that figure.

 

[apollo_creed]

you call him a plodder but he's a plodder who has performed better than Alonso in recent seasons.

alonso has never been anything close to dominant in the league and never will be.

so call Barry a plodder all you like. you still have alonso.

 

[bus24]

you call him a plodder but he's a plodder who has performed better than Alonso in recent seasons.

alonso has never been anything close to dominant in the league and never will be.

so call Barry a plodder all you like. you still have alonso.

Alonso was pretty damn bloody good in his first season.

Alonso is a vastly more talented footballer than Barry is or ever could ever dream of becoming.

Production has been down of late. Last year mainly due to that foot injury he got very early on. Then IIRC copped a recurrence of it during the Arsenal home league game. Never got going.

Alonso is a ridiculously talented footballer. I guess the thing is, can he produce what he is capable of? With the very good pre-season that he has had, and if he stays injury free, I'm sure he will deliver.

 

[moomba]

This Corluka one is interesting. Apparently Hughes is trying to stop the deal???

WTF he is the manager? Surely he has a say in who can leave and who has to stay?

I wouldn't read too much into the rumours going on about this.

If Corluka goes it will be because Hughes wants him to go.

 

[moomba]

Onuoha is better IMO.

Only problem with Onuoha is fitness and being able to string games together.

 

[moomba]

Tough call. Id prefer Corluka at CB and Onuoha at RB.

I couldn't disagree with you more (which convinces me I'm right).

 

[apollo_creed]

Alonso was pretty damn bloody good in his first season.

Alonso is a vastly more talented footballer than Barry is or ever could ever dream of becoming.

Production has been down of late. Last year mainly due to that foot injury he got very early on. Then IIRC copped a recurrence of it during the Arsenal home league game. Never got going.

Alonso is a ridiculously talented footballer. I guess the thing is, can he produce what he is capable of? With the very good pre-season that he has had, and if he stays injury free, I'm sure he will deliver.

alonso has never even close to done anything of note in a sustained period of form in england. he's been a good player. nothing more.
wouldn't get a game for the top teams in world football because he just isn't at that leven and never will be. he lacks too many things.

apart from being talented with time and space on the ball.... there really isn't much else there. and there needs to be. there are reasons for his poor form. not excuses.

'a vastly more talented footballer than Barry could ever dream of becoming'

I suggest you stick to watching Liverpool games - the team Alonso could barely crack a game with last season. the team who finished well off the pace. the team who doesn't even want him anymore but can't get anyone to buy. says alot.

vastly more talented? barry is a better defensive player, harder working, better in wide positions, more versatile, better crosser of the ball - and he can play the role behind Gerrard - because he's more disciplined than alonso. and what else? oh form. performances. you know? the stuff that sort of matters.

and all this playing alonside petrov and reo-coker. so comparable to Mascherano and Gerrard....

you're really overrating him and have nothing to fall back on. nothing to stabalise your argument.
heckle Barry all you like but you'd of watched shit all of villa's games last season.

alonso has been a disappointment in the premiership. one of the reasons why you can't get within 30 points of the ****ing title.

can he produce what he is capable of? no it's been four years and he has never even close to dominated in the premiership and couldn't crack it in the team last season. for a team with title aspirations he's an irrelevant fixture in the side.

your abuse of barry is getting a little tiring. I'd suggest you've seen next to nothing of the player and just don't like it because he's not one of those fashionable signings. well take it from someone who's seen alot of both - he'd be no worse than alonso.

 

[apollo_creed]

you know that might sound a little harsh bus (and I apologise for that) - but this anti-barry obsession is getting a little tiring.

there's no embelishing facts and Alonso has been a non-presence in the league.

barry, has been a very good player for villa. an excellent contributor to an improving team.
and you're showing little respect (or knowledge - which I don't think but it's starting to look that way) for how important he's been to villa's improvement and stablity down the years. he's matured into a very capable, and well functioning central midfilder. and his performances of recent years rank him highly amongst similar player.

he's outperformed alonso playing for an inferior team.

so this alonso's great, barry's shit stuff is a little unnecessary.

 

[bus24]

I suggest you stick to watching Liverpool games - the team Alonso could barely crack a game with last season. the team who finished well off the pace. the team who doesn't even want him anymore but can't get anyone to buy. says alot.

We were at our best when Alonso was playing. Early in the season and late in the season when he was a constant presence alongside Mascherano in a 4-2-3-1.

Well off the pace? 11 points. So yeah, fair enough.

But it was the draws (especially at home) against sides like Wigan, Birmingham, Spurs, Aston Villa p) that cost us dearly. We lost less games than United (as did Chelsea and Arsenal I think), but 13 draws. Not good enough.

I don't think the fact we were off the pace ever boiled down to issues in central midfield (with Alonso or anyone else). The lack of scoring options/outlets other than Torres, and Gerrard (who really had his goal tally inflated by minnow bashing the likes of Luton Town, and scoring penalties, anyway).

Kuyt? 3 league goals. Three. 2 penalties and one deflected from a corner onto his knee. That's bloody embarrassing.

What other threats were there? Crouch was ok when he played but that was rare. And when he did play he did more harm than good to our playing style. "Oh, Crouch is on, HOOF". No surprise hoofball was in full swing with Alonso (and Agger) out of the team through injury.

Voronin, Pennant?

vastly more talented? barry is a better defensive player, harder working, better in wide positions, more versatile, better crosser of the ball - and he can play the role behind Gerrard - because he's more disciplined than alonso. and what else? oh form. performances. you know? the stuff that sort of matters.

Better in wide positions, but still not very good in these wide positions. Buying him to play on the left would be a complete waste of time, a complete waste of money. Hey, all in all a pretty Rafa-like purchase.

Good old versatility. Wasn't so long ago you were bagging good old versatily. Alan Smith. Mr. Peroxide. Mr. Versatile.

Barry may be versatile, but as you've (correctly) stated yourself on numerous occasions, he's a poor-average left sided player. All good being versatile, but if you're not that great in those positions.....

Especially considering we'll be mainly playing with right and left sided forwards, instead of wide midfielders.

heckle Barry all you like but you'd of watched shit all of villa's games last season.

I have nothing against Villa. I watched them often. Often enough to know that if we were banging the door down, cash in hand, it should be for Ashley Young. A player that plays a position that we lack quality/depth in. From what I've seen could play anywhere across that "3" and be very effective and very dynamic.

Not Gareth Barry.

alonso has been a disappointment in the premiership.

He hasn't produced what he is capable of of recent times. But he's still been a really good player for us over his time at Liverpool.

Expectations are raised when you set the bar so high initially.

your abuse of barry is getting a little tiring. I'd suggest you've seen next to nothing of the player and just don't like it because he's not one of those fashionable signings

I don't like it because he's costing a ****ing fortune, and in a position where we don't need any additions. You ask any football fan where Liverpool don't need to concentrate on making any additions to for the time being, it would be central midfield.

Yet we're content to leave Benayoun and Kuyt in the wide attacking positions.

you know that might sound a little harsh bus (and I apologise for that) - but this anti-barry obsession is getting a little tiring.

He's not needed. His quality (or lack of) - whatever you think - should be completely irrelevant.

there's no embelishing facts and Alonso has been a non-presence in the league.

Harsh. and incorrect.

barry, has been a very good player for villa. an excellent contributor to an improving team.

No doubt.

But it's questionable whether he'll make the step up fron wallowing in mid-table irrelevance for most of his career, with no experience playing in big games, attempting to win trophies, playing in big competitions.

Big fish, small pond and all that.

and you're showing little respect (or knowledge - which I don't think but it's starting to look that way) for how important he's been to villa's improvement and stablity down the years.

Weren't you lot ready to hock him off to Portsmouth a couple of years ago for 5m?

he's outperformed alonso playing for an inferior team.

Over the last couple of years in the league, yeah. But it does come back to the big fish/small pond thing again.

No offence to the Villa fans, but Villa don't play in the same big games/big competitions that Liverpool do.

There isn't as much pressure playing for Aston Villa as there is for Liverpool. Same goes for Villa compared to Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal.

Out of the fishbowl and into the ocean. Can he deliver? Maybe.

so this alonso's great, barry's shit stuff is a little unnecessary.

Barry isn't shit. He's a good player. I just don't think he's at the level of player that Alonso is (or should be - could/will be)

It also comes down to the fact that it's a completely ridiculous signing for 18m + Finnan or whatever the hell it would end up.

That's an insane amount of money for a team stocked with central midfielders, in debt up to their eyeballs, and for a player that's only really only started to be lauded in the last couple of years.

Whatever you think of Barry, actually thinking of buying him for close to the value of 20m is insanity. We don't need him, and it probably isn't the best career move for him either.

 

[DBAH0]

Maybe if the previous chairman didn't piss tens of millions against the wall, the current chairman wouldn't have to take these measures.

I think Embers wants us to be the next Leeds.

Eggy's still reeling him in.

I honestly have no issue with getting rid of all of the big wage earners such as Neill who are not going to take this team forward in the long - term.
I doubt Curbishley will be around much longer as him and ownership are feuding over who's fault the Ljungberg fiasco was. Both sides are blaming each other, and that can't be a healthy relationship going forward.

That's why it was a little annoying to me that Pardew wasn't a better man manager, because his transfer policy while at the club was 10 times >>>>> than Curbishley's, which was my main worry about him when he took over.

 

[Pie Legend]

With the irrational gaggle in the "Rafa is always right, and if you don't agree you've got no idea about football" crew, maybe not.

But sane people, with the ability to use logic, can see exactly why they're correct.

I agree with the owners, dont get me wrong. We need if anything to sign some wide players, not overpriced CM/CDM.

 

[Embers]

I think Embers wants us to be the next Leeds.

Eggy's still reeling him in.

I honestly have no issue with getting rid of all of the big wage earners such as Neill who are not going to take this team forward in the long - term.
I doubt Curbishley will be around much longer as him and ownership are feuding over who's fault the Ljungberg fiasco was. Both sides are blaming each other, and that can't be a healthy relationship going forward.

That's why it was a little annoying to me that Pardew wasn't a better man manager, because his transfer policy while at the club was 10 times >>>>> than Curbishley's, which was my main worry about him when he took over.

Id rather us be the Next Leeds then the next Nottingham Forest. Atleast try and be successful. All I want us to do is sell our players to anyone and spend about 6-10 mill on 3 new players. Not too much to ask is it. We still need a LW LB and another striker. Sears is under too much pressure too perform atm. Facts are in 2 years now we have spent under 10 mill in the transfer window combined.... A bit depressing isnt it? Brown gave us more then that and actually knew how to run a football club too.

I think Pardrew was THE BEST person we have ever had at our club in regards to transfers. Bargain after bargain after bargain from Pards. He made the club 100 mill by himself. When he did go I still wanted to keep him so he could do some wheeling and dealing but it wasnt to be.

Quite simply BG shouldnt of been writing cheques he wasnt willing to cash. The guy wanted to spend money galore, then his move to Olympic Stadium fell threw and all of a sudden he wants to tighten the purse strings. Coincidence is it not. Im not gonna support a guy who bought the club for the sole reason of tearing down Upton Park...

 

[Borgsta]

Id rather us be the Next Leeds then the next Nottingham Forest. Atleast try and be successful. All I want us to do is sell our players to anyone .

Teams have to actually want the crud that you are trying to sell. Plus you have already apparently had a 18m bid on one of your players and rejected.

 

[Embers]

Teams have to actually want the crud that you are trying to sell. Plus you have already apparently had a 18m bid on one of your players and rejected.

Someone wanted John Pantsil.... Why wouldnt anyone want Gabbidon, former Hammer of the year, CCC clubs should be all over Davenport, Bowyer, Mullins etc. Its just a matter of being realistic. Not everyones gonna pay 5 mill for Zamora or 9 mill for The Reo Cokers of this world. In recent times unless we get ridiculous bids we dont seem to sell. Whens the last time we sold a player for anything other then over market value. I mean we sold QPR a 18 yr old with 6 months left in his deal for 800k.

 

[Borgsta]

No Corluka in the new team photo?

 

[Shane Clayton]

That's because we haven't got him.... yet

 

[apollo_creed]

No Corluka in the new team photo?

I wouldn't get my picture taken with Mark Hughes either.

 

[apollo_creed]

and Tottenham don't have an average midfield.

It's a level below Liverpool and Arsenal's (miles behind Chelsea and Manchester United's)
and far better than the rest.

one or two more signings in midfield and keeping Berbatov - they're not just a chance of finishing 4th, they're a very good chance of finishing fourth.

easily the fifth best team at the moment.

and they do have depth in midfield - they just need to sign that one more high quality player to START for them. most consider that he needs to be a defensive midfielder - I'm thinking a solid box to box central midfielder.

I rate DD can see him improving playing alongside better quality teammates.

one more central midfielder Tottenham, one versatile defender.... and one striker.

nice.

go tottenham.