Imagine Mouncey put the hit on Brid Stack that Marinoff did? I think it looked it pretty innocuous but if that was Mouncey I could see Stack launching a lawsuit asking why a former male player was playing and putting her in danger.
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Youre forgetting 1 thing. The lunatics ignore the fact she went through a male puberty and deny she has any advantages because her testosterone is down now. Its insanity and a sad state for society as a whole that it could even be considered acceptable, let alone the fact she has played womens games at all. FarcicalWe've just got women playing the game and now some think they should be expected to play against females who were born male, sure i get the testosterone thing but males are typically born with much larger skeletal structures.
I certainly wouldn't want my daughter playing against her.Youre forgetting 1 thing. The lunatics ignore the fact she went through a male puberty and deny she has any advantages because her testosterone is down now. Its insanity and a sad state for society as a whole that it could even be considered acceptable, let alone the fact she has played womens games at all. Farcical
Youre forgetting 1 thing. The lunatics ignore the fact she went through a male puberty and deny she has any advantages because her testosterone is down now. Its insanity and a sad state for society as a whole that it could even be considered acceptable, let alone the fact she has played womens games at all. Farcical
Lots of people are unable to play sport for a vast variety of reasons, unfortuantly being transgender should be one of them, unless they choose to play (in this case) in a mens comp. (IMO)
Best post in the thread.I think this this and the sentiment of it is overlooked and lost in all the hyperbole and hysteria regarding this topic.
In life, we make choices that have outcomes and consequences. Some of us also face challenges and barriers that aren't there for others. Whether or not you agree that transgender people are or aren't 'making a choice', they are still choosing (sometimes demanding) to want to play women's sport when their biology gives them multiple and significant advantages.
I for one am too tall/long to comfortably fit in 'normal' seating on planes and buses and have to make other arrangements. Am I being discriminated against? I get this is a reductive example and I am not a marginalised person generally, but I accept the reality and deal with it accordingly.
My friend is a semi-professional racing driver that can comfortably and safely control a motor vehicle at far higher speeds than the max 110 kmph allowed in Victoria, as I'm sure a lot of people can. Why are they made to drive slower because a select few cannot do the right thing or are not skilled enough drivers? We all accept it because it's the law and behave accordingly.
How many times have we all been told that "life isn't fair"? I mean, it isn't. I don't think it's logical or reasonable to have situations where 'the rights' and needs of very few, are disproportionately considered above those of others who are in the majority and will be vastly and negatively affected by what those 'rights' and needs would bear out. Biological men playing sport against women would be one of these situations, end of story.
Personally, I am more than happy to refer to trans-women by the pronouns they prefer and accept them fully for who they are, that's just basic decency and one I hope more and more people begin to practice generally. They need to accept that in a sporting context, they simply have too many advantages to compete as women fairly and need to acknowledge that. It isn't a knock on them being accepted as 'true women', it's just a reality. It cannot be one way traffic with people just demanding what they want and how they want things to go all the time, or we will see the divisiveness that we've seen in this thread and in society generally continue IMO.
I have no confidence a reasonable outcome will be met or any of the above becoming reality going forward because of the way society is going, but feel strongly enough to put effort some effort in discussing it.
I think this this and the sentiment of it is overlooked and lost in all the hyperbole and hysteria regarding this topic.
In life, we make choices that have outcomes and consequences. Some of us also face challenges and barriers that aren't there for others. Whether or not you agree that transgender people are or aren't 'making a choice', they are still choosing (sometimes demanding) to want to play women's sport when their biology gives them multiple and significant advantages.
I for one am too tall/long to comfortably fit in 'normal' seating on planes and buses and have to make other arrangements. Am I being discriminated against? I get this is a reductive example and I am not a marginalised person generally, but I accept the reality and deal with it accordingly.
My friend is a semi-professional racing driver that can comfortably and safely control a motor vehicle at far higher speeds than the max 110 kmph allowed in Victoria, as I'm sure a lot of people can. Why are they made to drive slower because a select few cannot do the right thing or are not skilled enough drivers? We all accept it because it's the law and behave accordingly.
How many times have we all been told that "life isn't fair"? I mean, it isn't. I don't think it's logical or reasonable to have situations where 'the rights' and needs of very few, are disproportionately considered above those of others who are in the majority and will be vastly and negatively affected by what those 'rights' and needs would bear out. Biological men playing sport against women would be one of these situations, end of story.
Personally, I am more than happy to refer to trans-women by the pronouns they prefer and accept them fully for who they are, that's just basic decency and one I hope more and more people begin to practice generally. They need to accept that in a sporting context, they simply have too many advantages to compete as women fairly and need to acknowledge that. It isn't a knock on them being accepted as 'true women', it's just a reality. It cannot be one way traffic with people just demanding what they want and how they want things to go all the time, or we will see the divisiveness that we've seen in this thread and in society generally continue IMO.
I have no confidence a reasonable outcome will be met or any of the above becoming reality going forward because of the way society is going, but feel strongly enough to put effort some effort in discussing it.
...but that's not what the AFLW Gender Diversity policy states:
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The optics of barring trans-athletes doesn't look good
What she is complaining about is she is allowed to play in any grassroots comp without the stringent testing but not the elite competition. She is also complaining that the AFL says in their policy that they will use 2 years of data from testing the elite girls in the same tests that trans athletes do to set arbitrary levels for the trans player to meet. The AFL are not being transparent in releasing this data so trans players don't have a clue of how big or how fast or how strong is too much. Also Hanna has no legal grounds to take the AFL to court unless they first seek a legal temporary exemption to exclude her. Hannah then could challenge the exclusion. The AFL have to then justify with data how and why they excluded her.Actually at this stage she is only aiming to play in the ACT women's comp. She has played there previously but the AFL recently changed its policy to align with the Victorian Equal Opportunity Act, which permits trans athletes to be barred on the grounds of strength, stamina or physique.
There is obviously more here than meets the eye for the AFL to have altered its policy, ostensibly in a bid to thwart Mouncey (which they would no doubt deny).
Thanks for posting that, quite interesting reading....I think the nub of the issue the AFL are dealing with is the balance between being fair to the trans community, as well as respecting the regular AFLW players.....One issue I reckon they’re worried about is losing the momentum of women’s footy by girls not wanting to play AFL because in our sport they might be playing against born males, whereas others simply won’t allow trans athletes to compete against non trans athletes.The AFLW policy is a case by case assessment way above and beyond any other trans sports policy in the assessment requirements to be met by the trans player.
Pretty sure 'Kirsty' went through puberty as a male as well, iirc he was a very good competitive swimmer before he made the change.Youre forgetting 1 thing. The lunatics ignore the fact she went through a male puberty and deny she has any advantages because her testosterone is down now. Its insanity and a sad state for society as a whole that it could even be considered acceptable, let alone the fact she has played womens games at all. Farcical
Who says it doesn't look good?
Cool. I guess we gotta raise the draft age and introduce a minimum weight requirement to the AFL because it's an ohs risk having an 18 year old 175cm stick figure in his first year of footy playing against fully developed man mountains like Dixon, Lynch and Sandilands, who could very legitimately be almost twice the weight.Men and women's sports are separated for a reason.
Mouncey will end women's careers left, right and centre if she plays AFLW. It borders on being an OH&S Hazard.
Cool. I guess we gotta raise the draft age and introduce a minimum weight requirement to the AFL because it's an ohs risk having an 18 year old 175cm stick figure in his first year of footy playing against fully developed man mountains like Dixon, Lynch and Sandilands, who could very legitimately be almost twice the weight.
Pretty sure 'Kirsty' went through puberty as a male as well, iirc he was a very good competitive swimmer before he made the change.
Every AFLW team will be looking for at least one trans player per line.
What she is complaining about is she is allowed to play in any grassroots comp without the stringent testing but not the elite competition. She is also complaining that the AFL says in their policy that they will use 2 years of data from testing the elite girls in the same tests that trans athletes do to set arbitrary levels for the trans player to meet. The AFL are not being transparent in releasing this data so trans players don't have a clue of how big or how fast or how strong is too much. Also Hanna has no legal grounds to take the AFL to court unless they first seek a legal temporary exemption to exclude her. Hannah then could challenge the exclusion. The AFL have to then justify with data how and why they excluded her.
What does the law say in Australia in regards to trans & gender diverse athletes?