Transgender

[Gralin]

Discussion continuing in Part 2 found here

Transgender - Part 2

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[ABSOLUTE MADMAN]

Can I identify myself as a 70 year old and get my super now?

Tucker had a tomato can on once and destroyed them with the argument about choosing which race you identify as when not backed by your ancestry.

 

[skilts]

Can I identify myself as a 70 year old and get my super now?

If, as this man claims, there are 300,000 abortions annually in the US, I'd say his attempt to destroy abortion is an abject failure. He wants to the state to murder rapists in his name, but is opposed to evacuating zygotes from a womb. As for transgenderism, this turkey has NFI. That's because he is less than human, just like a zygote.

Bring back the coat hanger.

 

[quotemokc]

If, as this man claims, there are 300,000 abortions annually in the US, I'd say his attempt to destroy abortion is an abject failure. He wants to the state to murder rapists in his name, but is opposed to evacuating zygotes from a womb. As for transgenderism, this turkey has NFI. That's because he is less than human, just like a zygote.

Bring back the coat hangar.

I agree that he has a hypocritical stance on capital punishment vs abortion. However this is the time for transgender talk.

Yes he is less than human, he is a robot programmed to destroy liberals.

 

[skilts]

Yes he is less than human, he is a robot programmed to destroy liberals.

He can start with Tony Abbott

 

[quotemokc]

He can start with Tony Abbott

Wrong type of liberal.

 

[Gough]

How do you "destroy" gender dysphoria? It exists, it's recognised by science, and there are numerous examples of it. Looking forward to this genius "destroying" gravity next.

 

[Armchair Critic]

 

[igon value]

How do you "destroy" gender dysphoria? It exists, it's recognised by science, and there are numerous examples of it. Looking forward to this genius "destroying" gravity next.

If gender dysphoria is a thing, doesn't this classify it as a mental illness? No doubt we should accomodate the mentally ill, but we shouldn't subvert reality in the interests of their illness.

They might believe they are women, but they aren't.

 

[Gough]

If gender dysphoria is a thing, doesn't this classify it as a mental illness? No doubt we should accomodate the mentally ill, but we just subsume reality in the interests of their illness.

They might believe they are women, but they aren't.

I really don't know what you guys are so scared of. It seems unbelievable that you are so anti something that people have no control over, effects such a small part of the population, and most likely won't effect you ever. You guys would have been homophobes thirty years ago, and most likely spouting the identical arguments about why gays should be repressed. Let's not make the same mistakes again.

 

[igon value]

I really don't know what you guys are so scared of. It seems unbelievable that you are so anti something that people have no control over, effects such a small part of the population, and most likely won't effect you ever. You guys would have been homophobes thirty years ago, and most likely spouting the identical arguments about why gays should be repressed. Let's not make the same mistakes again.

Can you address the topic instead of signalling? Yes, we get it. You think very well of yourself.

Is transracial a thing? Rachel Dolezal thinks so. Is she wrong?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

More women than men would be against 'you can use any bathroom you want', surely?

Never been to a pub? Women go into the mens all the time

Remove urinals and have doors on stalls (not a thing in some public facilities) and uni sex is no issue

 

[igon value]

Never been to a pub? Women go into the mens all the time

I have never seen this happen in a pub. (Except for people sneaking in for the odd root)

 

[skilts]

Wrong type.

Edited because of boredom.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Why does it matter? What are women's shelters for?

How many conventional men are like Christopher Hambrook? Why are all men excluded from women's shelters?

Youre making light of a very serious issue

Shelters are not all the same, and some are dealing with some very unique issues based upon the women in them. For a start, women bash female spouses too.

Men also are not banned. I know of several shelters which have some male support staff. Some are different though because the women they are caring for are still suffering acute trauma (i know one we worked with had a vetting process of the staffer we were sending there, because one person in particular was still having strong reactions to certain triggers, so we had to make sure the staffer didnt present these. At the end of thr day we accomodate because we dont want to add to their anxiety or suffering)

Shelters are very protective of access because of history. In general they are more concerned about staying off the grid than away from men specifically.

 

[igon value]

Youre making light of a very serious issue

Shelters are not all the same, and some are dealing with some very unique issues based upon the women in them. For a start, women bash female spouses too.

Men also are not banned. I know of several shelters which have some male support staff. Some are different though because the women they are caring for are still suffering acute trauma (i know one we worked with had a vetting process of the staffer we were sending there, because one person in particular was still having strong reactions to certain triggers, so we had to make sure the staffer didnt present these. At the end of thr day we accomodate because we dont want to add to their anxiety or suffering)

Shelters are very protective of access because of history. In general they are more concerned about staying off the grid than away from men specifically.

You know of some. In other cases, shelters have men banned, and women in them have objected to M-F transgender women being permitted to stay in them.

 

[skilts]

Quite possibly, it's the recessive Catholicism gene. Self loathing, martyrdom, and all that.

I've never had these. Nor have I ever endured the guilt which is supposed to be associated with catholic inculcation. Obviously, their method failed with me. Maybe they were right about one thing though - I was always a 'bad catholic'. I mostly put this down to enjoying fantasies completely unrelated to theirs, except for a rabid pre-occupation with the sex act (in their case, the prohibition thereof). I think it was when I understood the implications of martyrdom that I started to lose interest. On this matter, I found myself to be pro-life. My postings on here are testament (see what I did here) to a singular lack of self-loathing.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I have never seen this happen in a pub. (Except for people sneaking in for the odd root)

Happens often. Women can wait up to 30 mins to get in the ladies, so you always get some who say "**** it" and go to the mens.

Also speaking as a former cleaner, the mens is nearly always MUCH cleaner then the womens. Mens toilets stink of piss, but womens are disgusting

 

[Ned_Flanders]

You know of some. In other cases, shelters have men banned, and women in them have objected to M-F transgender women being permitted to stay in them.

As i said, it is case by case. Not this they hate and ban all men narative you are pushing. It comes down to the type of shelter and who they are housing at the time

 

[igon value]

Happens often. Women can wait up to 30 mins to get in the ladies, so you always get some who say "**** it" and go to the mens.

I have seen it happen at sporting events but it has been so rare to be unusual when it happened.

 

[igon value]

As i said, it is case by case. Not this they hate and ban all men narative you are pushing. It comes down to the type of shelter and who they are housing at the time

Where have I pushed this narrative?

It should be up to the women subjected to violence to choose who they allow into the shelter. Not imposed on them by an outside authority.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Where have I pushed this narrative?

It should be up to the women subjected to violence to choose who they allow into the shelter. Not imposed on them by an outside authority.

Have you ever dealt with a shelter? The workers there are repping the position of the clients. Thats why its case by case. Shelters by their nature are very independantly run, and the staff have strong relationships with the clients (even for short term stays)

 

[igon value]

Have you ever dealt with a shelter? The workers there are repping the position of the clients. Thats why its case by case. Shelters by their nature are very independantly run, and the staff have strong relationships with the clients (even for short term stays)

My wife has, not me. The issue regarding transgender access to shelters (and other women only spaces) has not cropped up in Australia because it is dealt with on a case by case basis, as you say.

The situation in other jurisdictions such as Canada and the US imposes a view on the shelters themselves. It denies women the right to have their own spaces.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

My wife has, not me. The issue regarding transgender access to shelters (and other women only spaces) has not cropped up in Australia because it is dealt with on a case by case basis, as you say.

The situation in other jurisdictions such as Canada and the US imposes a view on the shelters themselves. It denies women the right to have their own spaces.

The us and shelters is stupid full stop.

 

[cannot]

the triple m sound bite / ad has eddie going

"good morning non gender specific people"

 

[ABSOLUTE MADMAN]

I really don't know what you guys are so scared of. It seems unbelievable that you are so anti something that people have no control over, effects such a small part of the population, and most likely won't effect you ever. You guys would have been homophobes thirty years ago, and most likely spouting the identical arguments about why gays should be repressed. Let's not make the same mistakes again.

Aside from the fact that you completely dodged their argument and resorted to shaming instead. I have to ask you.

Do you support the idea of someone being able to choose their race? If someone feels a connection to a culture more commonly associated with a particular race should that person be able identify as that race despite nobody in their ancestry being of that race?