No - it's reasonable to not want to have sex with her. It's transphobic to conclude that she is not a woman because she has a penis.
It would not be transphobic for that straight man to decide not to have sex with her - on the basis that she does not have the genitalia that he is looking for in a sexual partner.
Because you are not discriminating on the basis of gender - but on the basis of genitalia. The entire point of 'trans women are women regardless of biology' means that it doesn't matter what their biological sex is - transwomen are still women.
That is all part of the debate within the community - like within any community/activist groups. I'm not personally convinced that it is reasonable to consider biological sex in those three scenarios. On the contrary, I do believe that sexual partners should be able to decide who they wish to have sex with based on biological factors - and that sports administrators should also be able to consider the biology of its participants to ensure the fairness and safety of the competition above all else.
Again, we are assuming the man was interested until he learns the woman is trans and has a penis, at which point he loses interest on that basis alone. This is discrimination on the basis of genitalia, which is at odds with the premise that trans women are women regardless of biology. Her penis should be irrelevant.
Again, it's discrimination on the basis of genitalia.
If trans women are women, then it shouldn't matter that she has a penis. It's a beautiful woman and the man otherwise finds her attractive. Her penis should be irrelevant.
Sorry, what's your point?
Sorry what?
Which is exactly what 'regardless of biology' means!
Not when it comes to sexual intercourse. People discriminate their sexual partners based on biological factors all the time - bust size, body shape, penis size, body hair - the list is endless. Similarly, it is perfectly reasonable for this hypothetical straight man to decide to not have sex with a transwoman on the basis of her genitalia. The key point is that her status as a woman is not dependant upon her biology or whether this hypothetical straight men wishes to have sex with her.
You are literally talking about biology in that post and my quote cited your words verbatim - but whatever.
No. I think the first is a design issue, the second is a design/policy issue (which I will concede should consider one's biology to an extent), and the third should be a support for both transwoman and cisgender women (transwomen can also experience DV).
NSW, Victoria, the Australian Capital Territory and Tasmania all have an explicit self-identification policy with regard to placement of inmates in prison facilities.
Yes, people discriminate based on biological factors in sexual partners.
Read it again. And don't be dishonest. Maybe quote the whole paragraph that makes clear the juxtaposition between societal acceptance and biology.
This doesn't address or resolve any of the obvious inconsistencies in your argument.
I don't disagree with any of that.
Biology should only be a consideration where it is logically necessary.
I don't agree - I believe they can achieve their same goal by discriminating based on gender not genitalia. I'm not alone in my view.
I see what you're saying but I disagree. That conclusion flows from the commonly held principle. Whether you or I disagree with the conclusion is beside the point.
Why isn't it logically necessary to consider biology when it comes to public toilets, prisons or DV shelters?
Well, it's the fact that biological women feel they are entitled to that space without folks born biologically male being there. That is the factor to be considered.
No, that's not accurate. My belief is neither here nor there. The point is that some folks within the trans rights movement have embraced this line of thinking.
Right, so if a straight man was to withdraw interest in them sexually upon learning about their biology, effectively excluding them from womanhood, that would be transphobic, at least according to some folks within the movement.
I'm not saying trans folks should be denied services. But I'd say that where biological women have an expectation that a space will be restricted to biological women, that expectation also needs to be considered and, on balance, upheld.
Yes but it doesn't invalidate the principle itself. I gave an example of this, whereby I may disagree with how a subset of far-leftists may extrapolate extreme measures of wealth redistribution from the socialist principle of 'equality of opportunity' - whilst still maintaining that I support the principle itself.
Traditionally yes - before gender was untethered from biological sex. This has since changed with respect to all three things - as I have shown you with regard to modern public toilet design, prisons self-identification policies and, women's shelters accepting transwomen.
I don't agree. They are entitled to feel safe in that space - they are not entitled to decide upon who else is entitled to the same security and support that they desire. The administrators of those facilities who deal with these issues on a daily basis will make those assessments on a case-by-case basis - like they would with anyone who was a potential risk to the safety of the women in those facilities (such as a violent drug user).
I think you are still stuck in binary dichotomy - a person is either a man or a woman. That self ID/biology are competing with one another. They are not - there is no need for one to trump the other. An individual's gender is based on self ID. Their biological sex - based on chromosomes. There are certain spheres where one's biological sex is pertinent - almost every transwoman acknowledges this - however their biological makeup has no relation to their gender.
Man and woman are gender roles - not dependant upon biology. A person is either a biological male or a biological female depending upon their chromosomes - but this is not related to their self ID gender as a man/woman/non-binary.
Anyone who identifies as a woman and meets the IOC eligibility requirements.
To ensure that intersex women and transwomen do not have a biological advantage over ciswomen.
Transpeople suffer from gender dysphoria. Though the decision to transition is a choice - the dissonance they experience between their biological sex and gender is not a choice.
But it's not.
