Transgender

[ShanDog]

Please be aware that the tolerance of anti-trans language on BF is at an all-time low. Jokes and insults that are trans-related, as well as anti-trans and bigoted rhetoric will be met with infractions, threadbans etc as required. It's a sensitive (and important) topic, so behave like well-mannered adults when discussing it, PARTICULARLY when disagreeing. This equally applies across the whole site.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

why not make a 3rd dunny?

would create jobs

people laughed at wheel chair access once too

Why not genderless dunnies? I don't particularly care if I have to piss into a toilet as opposed to a urinal or a 'piss trough'.

 

[cannot]

Why not genderless dunnies? I don't particularly care if I have to piss into a toilet as opposed to a urinal or a 'piss trough'.

im guessing some women wouldnt want that

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

im guessing some women wouldnt want that

Why not? Everyone would have absolute privacy and security?

 

[cannot]

Why not? Everyone would have absolute privacy and security?

dunno, just a guess

 

[Gough]

Anyone noticed it's largely older men leading the outcry about this? Generally those yearning for a return to older more intolerant ways.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Why not genderless dunnies? I don't particularly care if I have to piss into a toilet as opposed to a urinal or a 'piss trough'.

Isn't the whole point of this that women would feel threatened sharing bathrooms with men?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Isn't the whole point of this that women would feel threatened sharing bathrooms with men?

See my answer above.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

See my answer above.

Because they would still be sharing the room with men?

 

[cannot]

See my answer above.

if a women is uncomfortable using unisex loos shes within her rights to feel that way

(i think )

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Because they would still be sharing the room with men?

They'd each have their own private cubicle. No sharing. No seeing. No touching. No knowledge of others in the locality.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

They'd each have their own private cubicle. No sharing. No seeing. No touching. No knowledge of others in the locality.

If women are starting to get their own parking spaces and train carriages in certain areas, I really doubt they're going to want to go back toward shared bathrooms.

 

[cannot]

women are starting to get their own parking spaces and train carriages

for real?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

If women are starting to get their own parking spaces and train carriages in certain areas, I really doubt they're going to want to go back toward shared bathrooms.

But it wouldn't be shared. It would be individual cubicles. They might have to use the same corridor to get to the facilities but these things are public spaces within public spaces anyway.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

But it wouldn't be shared. It would be individual cubicles. They might have to use the same corridor to get to the facilities but these things are public spaces within public spaces anyway.

Do you mean that private facilities, such as the MCG or whatever else, should be forced to bear the brunt of the costs to implement these then?

I get what you're saying but I don't know if women would want this.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Do you mean that private facilities, such as the MCG or whatever else, should be forced to bear the brunt of the costs to implement these then?

I get what you're saying but I don't know if women would want this.

There could be existing facilities for men and women who don't mind the communal aspect, and some private ones for those who don't like the communal aspect of toiletry (if that's a word).

Cater for everyone. Keep everyone happy.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

There could be existing facilities for men and women who don't mind the communal aspect, and some private ones for those who don't like the communal aspect of toiletry (if that's a word).

Cater for everyone. Keep everyone happy.

That doesn't really help still. Would the women who feel unsafe in the men's bathroom feel any safer if pre-op transgender people come in? The same problems still exist but with a communal bathroom now.

 

[cannot]

There could be existing facilities for men and women who don't mind the communal aspect, and some private ones for those who don't like the communal aspect of toiletry (if that's a word).

Cater for everyone. Keep everyone happy.

sounds complicated

why not make a 3rd loo ?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

sounds complicated

why not make a 3rd loo ?

That doesn't really help still. Would the women who feel unsafe in the men's bathroom feel any safer if pre-op transgender people come in? The same problems still exist but with a communal bathroom now.

Because having the private ones unnamed won't alienate anyone. Anyone can use them, and for any reason. No recrimination. No being singled out.

 

[Power Raid]

People can comport themselves as whoever they see fit.

There is no reason why others should be forced to accept their assumed identity.

yep

I see this same logic for being pro gay marriage.

All I ask is the state recognises their relationship, as they do a straight marriage. Who cares how two same sex couples recognise each other and who cares if third parties recognise the relationship.

 

[Pie eyed]

Sex and Gender should be regarded to the biology you are born to. Regardless of any future body modifications or any later life ideas. In regards to dating, people have a right to know whether they're having sex with the same sex or the opposite sex.

OOOH....Do what you wanna do, be what you wanna be ....yeaah!

Do you suggest gender should be tattooed on ones forehead?
Wear F and M plates?

 

[Pie eyed]

I think it would be far more useful if people were forced to disclose their ring wing tendencies or preclusion for infidelity, or even a preferred sexual position.
What about bloke with an arse fetish?
Should they wear a brown "A"?

People should not be forced to learn about their potential partners.
In fact all people should come with labelling like food, even a star system...so you can see if a relationship with them will be good or bad for you.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I had a friend come out as a transgender in 2010.

Got called out and told off by work colleagues in Sydney for referring to him/her as a he.

But he probably can't play womans sport without being bagged out for not being a woman.

So by that logic there is some merit in the "other" option.

My reading of Gender is that it's a universalist social category applied to someone on the basis of their sex, what is gendered is determined by the social and stereotypical traits that rightly or wrongly define these social groupings. These traits are of course always up for debate and there is endless play between what is Masculine and what is Feminine.

In one case Transgenderism is in danger of collapsing gender into a redundant and radically nominalist term that defines nothing but an individuals personality and on the other hand you have the stereotypical trans person, whom by transitioning are reinforcing the more extreme displays of Gender difference and gender essentialism, thus ending the play between the masculine and feminine, reducing individuals to overt binary displays of Gender.

I'm not sure Gender as a social category is compatible with a mind realist conception of Gender.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I had an interesting discussion with a former colleague today.

We were discussing an article about a transgender person, in particular the following quote.

Notice how the transgender person refers to themselves as "a transgender woman" ... not a woman.

The fact that they self identify as 'other' is interesting. i.e. They don't believe they're an actual woman but something else entirely.

I'd have less issue with a modified pronoun with the prefix of trans at the beginning.

 

[tandino]

Like with most of society's issues, George Costanza had it right years ago.

 

[Pie eyed]

We need a "like a lot" button.