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That is so reductionist. There are lots of variations within nature.
I haven't researched the trans gender subject in great detail as it doesn't grab me as an issue but from my perspective what she says in the short video grab makes a lot of sense.

The massive majority of our species are born male or female.
 
That is so reductionist. There are lots of variations within nature.
A male seahorse being pregnant holds no bearing on human reproduction which is a binary system.

This isn't a function of our species and we can't think our way to an evolution to make it so.

The only thing close to nature and the variation you refer to in human beings is errors and genetic mistakes that create a person who is different, them being different is not the intention of their being, it doesn't value them less as a person but it is not a circumstance where an alien xenobiologist will scan the planet and split out a new gender group.
 

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A male seahorse being pregnant holds no bearing on human reproduction which is a binary system.

This isn't a function of our species and we can't think our way to an evolution to make it so.

The only thing close to nature and the variation you refer to in human beings is errors and genetic mistakes that create a person who is different, them being different is not the intention of their being, it doesn't value them less as a person but it is not a circumstance where an alien xenobiologist will scan the planet and split out a new gender group.



A male seahorse being pregnant holds no bearing on human reproduction which is a binary system.

This isn't a function of our species and we can't think our way to an evolution to make it so.

The only thing close to nature and the variation you refer to in human beings is errors and genetic mistakes that create a person who is different, them being different is not the intention of their being, it doesn't value them less as a person but it is not a circumstance where an alien xenobiologist will scan the planet and split out a new gender group.


That is being reductionist, defining people by their reproductive capacity and tbh quite offensive. People contribute a lot more to society than how many babies they spit out.

I've never really understood why people are so obsessed with what others do to their bodies. What business is it of yours?
 

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People contribute a lot more to society than how many babies they spit out.
Most people don’t.

I've never really understood why people are so obsessed with what others do to their bodies. What business is it of yours?
If male-bodies people insert themselves into female spaces, then it is other people’s business.
 

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That is being reductionist, defining people by their reproductive capacity and tbh quite offensive. People contribute a lot more to society than how many babies they spit out.

I've never really understood why people are so obsessed with what others do to their bodies. What business is it of yours?
You were talking about the the variation in nature and now you're diverting to a debate on value.

I said that a person being mentally unwell doesn't diminish their intrinsic human value, but it doesn't make a man a woman or vice versa.
 

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“Men aren’t going to start being women just to win sporting events, and even if they do it will be rare. Besides, there isn’t that much difference between men an women anyway”

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Lmao
 

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You don't get to ask someone a question wearing cricket pads then deal with their response with a hockey stick.


Remove the police force and see how long before chaos and anarchy set in. I'd also be interested to see how many kids could be bothered to educate themselves without teachers. It was a troll reply and got the response it deserved.
 
Remove the police force and see how long before chaos and anarchy set in. I'd also be interested to see how many kids could be bothered to educate themselves without teachers. It was a troll reply and got the response it deserved.

The real measure of the value of those people in the professions is whether they would do it for less or no money, since performing a service to society for money is something many, many people do and without for example your bin collector there would be a similar collapse of social expectations.

Indulging your diversion a bit, it's important to note that on the whole police don't stop crimes occurring, they show up after most crimes have taken place. We can have a debate on the intrinsic morality of human kind compared to the fear of the higher power motivations of character but as per my previous comment, there actually isn't anything stopping you doing anything you want already - so why isn't everyone looting, raping, murdering?

Transgender people are mentally ill and although I firmly believe an adult should be allowed to do whatever they want with themselves to live their life as best as they see fit, I don't think this period will be looked back on with pride and I don't think children should be exposed to this world until they are adults.

What is the plan for the world records in the women's events that are held by biological men in the future?
 

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That is being reductionist, defining people by their reproductive capacity and tbh quite offensive. People contribute a lot more to society than how many babies they spit out.

I've never really understood why people are so obsessed with what others do to their bodies. What business is it of yours?
Whe ths has a direct effect on others then there is a right for others to comment on it and raise their concerns. Hence why people are commenting on the ability for transsexual athletes to compete in women's events
 

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The real measure of the value of those people in the professions is whether they would do it for less or no money, since performing a service to society for money is something many, many people do and without for example your bin collector there would be a similar collapse of social expectations.

Indulging your diversion a bit, it's important to note that on the whole police don't stop crimes occurring, they show up after most crimes have taken place. We can have a debate on the intrinsic morality of human kind compared to the fear of the higher power motivations of character but as per my previous comment, there actually isn't anything stopping you doing anything you want already - so why isn't everyone looting, raping, murdering?

Transgender people are mentally ill and although I firmly believe an adult should be allowed to do whatever they want with themselves to live their life as best as they see fit, I don't think this period will be looked back on with pride and I don't think children should be exposed to this world until they are adults.

What is the plan for the world records in the women's events that are held by biological men in the future?

It is irrelevant whether they are earning money for it or not. They are still performing a service for society. Money is a necessity.

Also, whether the police show up before, during or after the crime, the fact that someone who commits a crime knows that there is a good chance they are going to get caught is a major deterrent.

Even if we take your opinion that transgender people are mentally ill as fact? So what? There are a lot of disabilities and mental illnesses these days which society caters for. Why single transgender people out as any different?
 
Even if we take your opinion that transgender people are mentally ill as fact? So what? There are a lot of disabilities and mental illnesses these days which society caters for. Why single transgender people out as any different?
The reason why is because if you don't clap and cheer someone as being the gender they have decided they are then you're lumped with the bigots and the homophobes. There are people who are sure to their core that they are an amputee in a fully able body. These people are forced to drop their legs into dry ice baths to kill the limb and require an amputation to survive, doctors won't give these people an amputation as a procedure of convenience to help them live how they feel more aligns with their personal self image.

Those people are agreed to be mentally ill.
 

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That is being reductionist, defining people by their reproductive capacity and tbh quite offensive. People contribute a lot more to society than how many babies they spit out.

I've never really understood why people are so obsessed with what others do to their bodies. What business is it of yours?
Ok mate
 

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