travis cloke

[True Dog]

I reckon if you compare Cloke to Jones at the same stage of their careers, Jones would be well on top, i haven't done the stats and Cloke has become the best power forward in the game. But i don't think we could ask more from Jones.

But still, what would getting Cloke achieve. Here are some reasons against...

1. We aren't going to be a realistic chance until 2015... Cloke will be 29-30. He will be slowing down by then and throw in an injury or two.
2. We will probably finish 7th-10th and miss out on draft picks when we should be rebuilding.
3. With Cloke we still have many holes to fill to be an instant top 4 team. Outside mids, KPD that doesnt get injured, replacing Murphy & Lake, small forward with x-factor, forward delivery etc etc
4. If 2015 is our open window, lets say we finish top 4 for a few years after that, then he would have retired. Then we are screwed all over again.
5. we would lose at least one of the young forwards we have now. If Panos and Hill turn out alright, there is no room for them in the team, they will request a trade and we would get unders for them
6. This may help Jones' development short term but it will hamper Panos, Hill, Redpath etc

Cloke is damn fine player, but i challenge anyone to oppose my above and be more appealing

Yeah you're right, he would have just turned 28 at the start of our 2015 "open window" campaign (that's 2 years younger than Murphy, Gia, Lake, Hargrave & Gilbee are now and 1 year younger than Boyd, Morris & Cross)…. Lets say the window stays open for a good four years (it's a big window) he'd be 32 and have played 7 years for us but sadly be near death according to you. And you're absolutely correct we definitely don't want to get him next season and finish 7th, that would be disastrous. We should most definitely tell all our aging senior players that they have nothing left to play for and our members (if we have any left by then) to suck it in for a few more years because we must continue to lose and tank to ensure we finish bottom four.. Why, because next year will be another super draft and all we need to do is to add them to the super stars we'll pick up from this years super draft and we'll have a team of super kids to rival GWS and Gold Coast (lets hope there are no Farren Rays or Tim Walsh's or Sam Powers etc in the mix). One thing though we better make sure none of our new draftees are better that Panos, Hill or Redpath because we don't want to stunt their growth by creating competition and forcing them to be the best they can??

Look, like you I have great faith in Jones but Cloke would aid his development and improve us a team. Sure like others have mentioned we need a couple of classy pacey mids and a defender or two before we're a serious contender. However like it or not free agency is here and the opportunity to snatch a 26 year old 110kg premiership power forward with a V8 tank at the peak of his powers doesn't present itself every year…. Hey if we don't take him, someone else with bigger balls will…….We have to a least ask the question??

 

[Easty]

Cloke is the best key forward in the game, sans maybe Franklin. But that's only at the moment.

By the time we'd reach the premiership window again he'd be past it. You would hope that our current batch of key forwards will end up at a similar quality (trust me, Tom Hill will be an absolute gun if his body stays 100%), so no thanks.

Also had a laugh at you people who still listen to what Hutchy says at all. Him apologizing for getting things wrong is a weekly occurrence...if he's having a good week.

 

[acker]

Cloke is the best key forward in the game, sans maybe Franklin. But that's only at the moment.

Buddy does him as a better forward like scraggers dinner

 

[Easty]

Buddy does him as a better forward like scraggers dinner

If you had to put your life on a bloke taking a pack contested mark, who would you choose?

Cloke is a purer key forward than Franklin. Franklin might be the better footballer, but it isn't as decisive as you make it sound. Before you say 'but Lake destroyed him last week', remember that Lake has held Franklin goalless twice.

 

[Igloo]

Well, apparently we have inquired, according to Barrett on TFS.

 

[Dancing Dougy]

TFS. Interesting...

 

[cooney]

Was interesting hearing that

 

[StringyDog]

I wonder if it was the same source that told him Lake was as good as gone last year.......Barrett- "no-one at club was willing to confirm or comment but we believe they have enquired", what a joke of a journalist.

 

[Igloo]

Yep. He probably got his "confirmation" from Hutchy saying we should go after him on Footy Classified.

 

[100action]

we only have 500k free in our cap, good joke Barrett you ****.

 

[Dancing Dougy]

Very small chance of it happening, but great to hear the Doggies have no issues in being aggressive towards building "their" blueprint for future success.

As I type, I don't actually mind the idea of it (be it Cloke or similar). With some senior (well paid) retirements iminent, our salary cap will be well open to pay big dollars if needed. The majority of our players are in the early days of their career and their pay demands will reasonably low. By the time, they start to command higher pay, the "Cloke" trade would most likely be in the Veteren stage or potentially even retired. Negating the large outlay to bring him to the club.

The one thing we're really lacking is a big experienced body in the forward line. One who will command most of the attention, one who'll allow the less experienced forwards a little more latitude, one to increase the confidence of the players around him and one, the junior players will learn from. Barry Hall was that player and did an incredible job at all of the above.

How much quicker will our forwards evolve with a "Cloke"esk player alongside them, versus a bunch of juniors evolving together?

Worth a thought.

 

[TMoney22]

Yeah you're right, he would have just turned 28 at the start of our 2015 "open window" campaign (that's 2 years younger than Murphy, Gia, Lake, Hargrave & Gilbee are now and 1 year younger than Boyd, Morris & Cross)…. Lets say the window stays open for a good four years (it's a big window) he'd be 32 and have played 7 years for us but sadly be near death according to you. And you're absolutely correct we definitely don't want to get him next season and finish 7th, that would be disastrous. We should most definitely tell all our aging senior players that they have nothing left to play for and our members (if we have any left by then) to suck it in for a few more years because we must continue to lose and tank to ensure we finish bottom four.. Why, because next year will be another super draft and all we need to do is to add them to the super stars we'll pick up from this years super draft and we'll have a team of super kids to rival GWS and Gold Coast (lets hope there are no Farren Rays or Tim Walsh's or Sam Powers etc in the mix). One thing though we better make sure none of our new draftees are better that Panos, Hill or Redpath because we don't want to stunt their growth by creating competition and forcing them to be the best they can??

Look, like you I have great faith in Jones but Cloke would aid his development and improve us a team. Sure like others have mentioned we need a couple of classy pacey mids and a defender or two before we're a serious contender. However like it or not free agency is here and the opportunity to snatch a 26 year old 110kg premiership power forward with a V8 tank at the peak of his powers doesn't present itself every year…. Hey if we don't take him, someone else with bigger balls will…….We have to a least ask the question??

How about adding some decent discussion against rather than exaggerating and shit mouthing my points.

I said nothing about tanking, its football evolution, rebuild, success, rebuild, success. Or you can top up here and there and be a OK team forever.
And i don't think list balance would be great if we had 7 KPF on our list.
Yes, getting Cloke would help Jones and improve us as a team, as i said. Its the others i'm worried about and the ultimate goal on winning the last game.

I don't mind seeing our name pop up in the media regarding this, thats great give us some attention. But imo going through with it would be a mistake.

Barret said he got the info from Cloke's management, i think the old man is just negotiating via the media. He'd know some team would ask about Travis and straight away he got it out there.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Don't care if it's Cloke or whoever, we can't just sit back and watch the post season trade/free agency drift by - we have to be players. We've paid our dues to GWS and Gold Coast, so now it's time to bite back.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Don't care if it's Cloke or whoever, we can't just sit back and watch the post season trade/free agency drift by - we have to be players. We've paid our dues to GWS and Gold Coast, so now it's time to bite back.

Yeah, but Cloke, he has had one good year..... Lake held him to account on Friday night.....looking enviously right nowat Cameron from GWS only second season and already making a mark...isn't that what we want?

 

[who_let_the_dogs_out]

I think we owe it to guys like Cooney/Griffen/Lake/Boyd to go after the big names.

Not really fair on these guys who would have turned down offers to go elsewhere, to tread water for a few years for the next generation to come on.

By that stage the show could almost be over for them..

Not sure if Cloke is the person for the job, but we need to go after a name forward, I will be pretty disappointed if we only snare a washed up, once promising player.

 

[boydsno1]

What if we offer to pay him in $5 bills. Surely that will get him across the line.

 

[Martyn_30_]

I don't understand people syaing to not go down this path again and you need develop your own players but when has the club recruited someone like Cloke in his prime? There's going to be a heap of room in the cap with the space that was there for Ward, Cross and Giansiracusa most likely having there last year next year, Cooney and Lakes big contracts ending in the next couple of years

 

[immortalmike]

I don't understand people syaing to not go down this path again and you need develop your own players but when has the club recruited someone like Cloke in his prime? There's going to be a heap of room in the cap with the space that was there for Ward, Cross and Giansiracusa most likely having there last year next year, Cooney and Lakes big contracts ending in the next couple of years

Jade Rawlings...that didn't work out so well...

 

[robertg22]

I reckon if you compare Cloke to Jones at the same stage of their careers, Jones would be well on top, i haven't done the stats and Cloke has become the best power forward in the game. But i don't think we could ask more from Jones.

Don't mean to intrude on your board but this is a bit off the mark. I do like Jones as a prospect but he does need a bit of support.

In 2007 as a 20 year old (the same age as Jones in 2011) Cloke won our B&F in a year we made a prelim and very nearly made the grand final. Jones did not finish in your top 10 last year.

The stats are here if you would like to see:

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...21&type=A&fid1=P&fopt1=2011&fid2=P&fopt2=2007

As for the rumour I think as some others have said that Cloke's management (namely, his stupid father), are letting it play out in the media so he can get top dollar - with us. I'm not sure his reported asking price would be something you guys should take on.

Either way it's probably just Hutchy and Barrett sitting there together and making up something 'fresh' to try and ensure they remain relevant in the footy media.

Again apologies for posting here, certainly not trying to troll.

 

[Martyn_30_]

Jade Rawlings...that didn't work out so well...

Jade Rawlings was a key defender at Hawthorn who was just a decent player and not in anywhere near the same class as Cloke

 

[Leon]

Don't mean to intrude on your board but this is a bit off the mark. I do like Jones as a prospect but he does need a bit of support.

In 2007 as a 20 year old (the same age as Jones in 2011) Cloke won our B&F in a year we made a prelim and very nearly made the grand final. Jones did not finish in your top 10 last year.

The stats are here if you would like to see:

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...21&type=A&fid1=P&fopt1=2011&fid2=P&fopt2=2007

As for the rumour I think as some others have said that Cloke's management (namely, his stupid father), are letting it play out in the media so he can get top dollar - with us. I'm not sure his reported asking price would be something you guys should take on.

Either way it's probably just Hutchy and Barrett sitting there together and making up something 'fresh' to try and ensure they remain relevant in the footy media.

Again apologies for posting here, certainly not trying to troll.

I agree.

I like Jones a lot but he is not where Cloke was at the same age.

 

[TMoney22]

Don't mean to intrude on your board but this is a bit off the mark. I do like Jones as a prospect but he does need a bit of support.

In 2007 as a 20 year old (the same age as Jones in 2011) Cloke won our B&F in a year we made a prelim and very nearly made the grand final. Jones did not finish in your top 10 last year.

The stats are here if you would like to see:

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...21&type=A&fid1=P&fopt1=2011&fid2=P&fopt2=2007

As for the rumour I think as some others have said that Cloke's management (namely, his stupid father), are letting it play out in the media so he can get top dollar - with us. I'm not sure his reported asking price would be something you guys should take on.

Either way it's probably just Hutchy and Barrett sitting there together and making up something 'fresh' to try and ensure they remain relevant in the footy media.

Again apologies for posting here, certainly not trying to troll.

Thats cool, as i said i hadn't done the stats and i don't think Jones will be as good as Cloke ultimately, but more making the point that Jones has done very well for the amount of games he has played so far and his importance to us.
Thanks for the stats though

 

[Mutt]

Don't mean to intrude on your board but this is a bit off the mark. I do like Jones as a prospect but he does need a bit of support.

In 2007 as a 20 year old (the same age as Jones in 2011) Cloke won our B&F in a year we made a prelim and very nearly made the grand final. Jones did not finish in your top 10 last year.

The stats are here if you would like to see:

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...21&type=A&fid1=P&fopt1=2011&fid2=P&fopt2=2007

As for the rumour I think as some others have said that Cloke's management (namely, his stupid father), are letting it play out in the media so he can get top dollar - with us. I'm not sure his reported asking price would be something you guys should take on.

Either way it's probably just Hutchy and Barrett sitting there together and making up something 'fresh' to try and ensure they remain relevant in the footy media.

Again apologies for posting here, certainly not trying to troll.

Let's not get carried away here - Cloke was a surprise winner of the club best and fairest in his third season. He had been nothing special in the two prior years and then, until last year, Cloke again failed to set the world on fire.

Cloke has won the club best and fairest once, has won the club goal-kicking once (last year) and won All-Australian selection only once (again, last year.)

This is hardly the record of a bloody superstar. Cloke is not the best player at Collingwood, is not the best forward in the competition, and is over-rated because he plays for Collingwood. He has had one pretty good year and one very good year in a seven season career. I'm sure most of us could name several Collingwood players we would love to recruit before looking at Cloke.

 

[robertg22]

Let's not get carried away here - Cloke was a surprise winner of the club best and fairest in his third season. He had been nothing special in the two prior years and then, until last year, Cloke again failed to set the world on fire.

Cloke has won the club best and fairest once, has won the club goal-kicking once (last year) and won All-Australian selection only once (again, last year.)

This is hardly the record of a bloody superstar. Cloke is not the best player at Collingwood, is not the best forward in the competition, and is over-rated because he plays for Collingwood. He has had one pretty good year and one very good year in a seven season career. I'm sure most of us could name several Collingwood players we would love to recruit before looking at Cloke.

Not sure that anyone had expected him to be any better than he was in his first two seasons, but as a 18/19 yo CHF but he showed enough IMO.

His 2007 season he did start slow but came home incredibly strong to win the B&F by a single vote IIRC from a second year Pendlebury. Cloke won the best finals player that year for the club which helped seal the deal. 78 shots on goal (unfortunately only 39.39) & 186 marks for a 20 year old CHF is a very good effort.

His 2008 was pretty good, kicked 40 goals. We did expect a bit more honestly. 2009 was terrible as far as his goalkicking output is concerned - to be fair to him though we did change our forward set up that year and went through John Anthony a lot more who kicked 50 goals that year.

2010 he was a vital part in a premiership team, again the goal kicking let him down (38.40). Last year we all know that he was absolutely dominant, but his season is enhanced mostly because of the improvement in his goalkicking. Kicked 69.48 which is a big improvement from the 38.40 the year before.

Thus far this year he's kicked 15.8 so a pretty healthy start. He will kick around 60 by the end of the year IMO. Has had a modest start but we've had a relatively tough draw, yet to play any of the truly bad sides and he's in a contract year so will want to perform.

 

[Paranoid]

Not sure that anyone had expected him to be any better than he was in his first two seasons, but as a 18/19 yo CHF but he showed enough IMO.

His 2007 season he did start slow but came home incredibly strong to win the B&F by a single vote IIRC from a second year Pendlebury. Cloke won the best finals player that year for the club which helped seal the deal. 78 shots on goal (unfortunately only 39.39) & 186 marks for a 20 year old CHF is a very good effort.

His 2008 was pretty good, kicked 40 goals. We did expect a bit more honestly. 2009 was terrible as far as his goalkicking output is concerned - to be fair to him though we did change our forward set up that year and went through John Anthony a lot more who kicked 50 goals that year.

2010 he was a vital part in a premiership team, again the goal kicking let him down (38.40). Last year we all know that he was absolutely dominant, but his season is enhanced mostly because of the improvement in his goalkicking. Kicked 69.48 which is a big improvement from the 38.40 the year before.

Thus far this year he's kicked 15.8 so a pretty healthy start. He will kick around 60 by the end of the year IMO. Has had a modest start but we've had a relatively tough draw, yet to play any of the truly bad sides and he's in a contract year so will want to perform.

He had kicked 16.7 this time last year, so his year has been similar while the team has been down.