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Travis Cloke

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tigs2010 said:
Nah next year. Becomes a free agent end of 2013.
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I'd trade for him. The x factor we need. 2nd or 3rd rounded, or 3rd rounder and player, or straight swap, post for colin.
 
tigs2010 said:
That's the figure I've heard too. My concern is that the Pies would match that.
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YES, the Pies can certainly match , if fact pass that figure however; i believe Cloke & his dad want the move, with Richmond being , a great opportunity.
 

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captain blood 17 said:
I'd trade for him. The x factor we need. 2nd or 3rd rounded, or 3rd rounder and player, or straight swap, post for colin.
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Not sure I'd give up a 2nd rounder. I have a feeling Stringer may slide that's all. He's a similar type but a ripper kid. I reckon Melbourne would want something from 15-20 for him.
 
tigs2010 said:
Not sure I'd give up a 2nd rounder. I have a feeling Stringer may slide that's all. He's a similar type but a ripper kid. I reckon Melbourne would want something from 15-20 for him.
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Yeah, out of all the options, that would
be the least desirable. Would like a player for player deal ala the Grigg deal.
 
the way Cloke is playing tonight I think he has added $100k to talks....
 
brad1510 said:
the way Cloke is playing tonight I think he has added $100k to talks....
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Money aint the issue bro, but maybe it maybe with bucks though ;)
 
brad1510 said:
the way Cloke is playing tonight I think he has added $100k to talks....
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I dont believe its entirely the money..
Clokes are a tight knit family that support each other (I have heard his wacky mum call radio , standing up for one of her sons getting , critisim) so;
IF HE LEAVES COLLINGWOOD, IT WILL NOT BE INTERSTATE, THATS FOR SURE.
I am adament ex - Tiger players have got into Davids ear for him to come (to Tiger land, where he belongs, & probably should of played his entire carea). Travis likes the idea of coming to Tigerland *(as ive previously stated on this forum). So if he comes to Richmond, it will be because he, WANTS TO COME HERE, WANTS A CHANGE, & WILL PLAY FOR LESS THAN OFFERED BY PIES.
 
In the Jungle said:
I dont believe its entirely the money..
Clokes are a tight knit family that support each other (I have heard his wacky mum call radio , standing up for one of her sons getting , critisim) so;
IF HE LEAVES COLLINGWOOD, IT WILL NOT BE INTERSTATE, THATS FOR SURE.
I am adament ex - Tiger players have got into Davids ear for him to come (to Tiger land, where he belongs, & probably should of played his entire carea). Travis likes the idea of coming to Tigerland *(as ive previously stated on this forum). So if he comes to Richmond, it will be because he, WANTS TO COME HERE, WANTS A CHANGE, & WILL PLAY FOR LESS THAN OFFERED BY PIES.
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as a RESTRICTED free agent he WON'T go anywhere for less than the Pies offer. They simply will match. Length of the contract would be the sticking point for the pies
 

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He will only ever come to Richmond if he will accept average money. If we give him a million a year for a couple of years we will be shooting ourselves in the foot. What will players like Cotchin and Martin think when they are playing better but he's getting paid so much more? It increases the chances of us losing players due to jealousy and going backwards again.
It is REALLY not worth it.
 
Handsuper47 said:
He will only ever come to Richmond if he will accept average money. If we give him a million a year for a couple of years we will be shooting ourselves in the foot. What will players like Cotchin and Martin think when they are playing better but he's getting paid so much more? It increases the chances of us losing players due to jealousy and going backwards again.
It is REALLY not worth it.
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It is worth it if we have someone like VISY paying under the table to keep the others happy?
 
Handsuper47 said:
He will only ever come to Richmond if he will accept average money. If we give him a million a year for a couple of years we will be shooting ourselves in the foot. What will players like Cotchin and Martin think when they are playing better but he's getting paid so much more? It increases the chances of us losing players due to jealousy and going backwards again.
It is REALLY not worth it.
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Good point. But if they are playing in Premierships ( dear god)they should be happy. I agree though it's a big risk
 
Can't say I completely understand how free agency works but wouldn't his contract have to be high enough for collingwood to be unable to match it? Wouldn't we have to offer Trav 2 million for 2 years and 500k for the last 3 years of his contract to outbid collingwood? And I'm guessing we may only be able to offer a 2 year contract with some trigger for the last 3 years because I'm sure the pies would be able to equal 3.5 mill over 5 years or is that not how it works?

Anyway I'm very much on the get Trav bandwagon and 3.5 mill - 4 mill over 5 years is worth it. He is the best CHF in the comp and despite a down year still leads contested marks and will kick 40+ goals. Another 40+ goal kicking forward (bloody Vickery) and we probably have 4-5 more wins.
 

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In the Jungle said:
I dont believe its entirely the money..
Clokes are a tight knit family that support each other (I have heard his wacky mum call radio , standing up for one of her sons getting , critisim) so;
IF HE LEAVES COLLINGWOOD, IT WILL NOT BE INTERSTATE, THATS FOR SURE.
I am adament ex - Tiger players have got into Davids ear for him to come (to Tiger land, where he belongs, & probably should of played his entire carea). Travis likes the idea of coming to Tigerland *(as ive previously stated on this forum). So if he comes to Richmond, it will be because he, WANTS TO COME HERE, WANTS A CHANGE, & WILL PLAY FOR LESS THAN OFFERED BY PIES.
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I'd really love to believe that, but unfortunately he (and his old man) have shown themselves to be very much money focused thus far. I doubt he would or even could come to us for less than Collingwood is offering (as they would match any offer and be in the box seat) but would love you to be right.
 
leve said:
It is worth it if we have someone like VISY paying under the table to keep the others happy?
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No. Players do get jealous if someone is getting paid higher than them yet they are playing better (Martin will be our example) which will make us lose good players.

Boston tiger said:
Good point. But if they are playing in Premierships ( dear god)they should be happy. I agree though it's a big risk
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He doesn't deserve to be in our Premiership side, no way man! We can do so much better!
 
In the Jungle said:
So if he comes to Richmond, it will be because he, WANTS TO COME HERE, WANTS A CHANGE, & WILL PLAY FOR LESS THAN OFFERED BY PIES.
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As Wacky mentioned, being a restricted free agent Cloke can only go to the club of his choice IF the Pies decline to match the offer the preferred club makes.

My understanding (which is not great on this TBH) is this is both in terms of length and amount of the whole contract (please correct me if wrong).

As such, if we front end the contract, it doesn't matter as its the amount of the contract in total.

Only way we could possibly get a low ball bid to succeed is if we offered more years than the Pies are prepared to match (which has risks of its own).

I've seen some people hoping we get him for $600k, but with the Pies already apparently prepared to offer $700k, this ain't gunna happen.
 
^ Yep. But from my understanding, the performance clauses in his contract are only included in the overall price of the offer IF they are likely to be achieved. So depending on the clauses, they may not be able to match it, or want to match it.
 
richmond_14 said:
^ Yep. But from my understanding, the performance clauses in his contract are only included in the overall price of the offer IF they are likely to be achieved. So depending on the clauses, they may not be able to match it, or want to match it.
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This is also my understanding, but remember the Pies offer only had year 5 juiced with performance criteria, so it will be averaged out by the better payments over the first 4 years.

Personally if he comes to us, I expect it to be at around $800k, $750k if we are lucky. Pies will not let him walk without a decent offer on the table from someone else.
 

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