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Opinion Travis Varcoe

Assuming Varcoe is worth pick 10 in any draft, would you trade him?

  • Yes

    Votes: 48 39.7%

  • No

    Votes: 30 24.8%

  • Get stuffed Meto

    Votes: 43 35.5%
  • Total voters
    121

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One thing you'll have to consider if you're trying to get rid of Varcoe is how it will affect Stokes, Motlop and Christensen. Those 4 are best mates, and if you get rid of one, you might have 3 others who are annoyed and might want out too, or it might affect their games too.
 

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Catgirl said:
Varcoe is actually averaging almost identical stats to Yarran. What makes you think we'd come out winners in that deal?
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And Carlton want to trade him but most here seem to think Varcoe is a gun...LOL
 
Get stuffed meto is smashing this.

Good stats.
15.9%
20%
59.1%

Got to love those stats. And we all know Meto values stats. :D
 
winty said:
One thing you'll have to consider if you're trying to get rid of Varcoe is how it will affect Stokes, Motlop and Christensen. Those 4 are best mates, and if you get rid of one, you might have 3 others who are annoyed and might want out too, or it might affect their games too.
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Not sure about this, Isn't Stokes closer with the older guys, e.g Kelly, Chappy, Stevie J and Moons when he was playing. Just because there all of aboriginal descent doesn't make them automatic best mates. In saying that I'm sure they all get along and lookout for one another.
 
Hoffy95 said:
But you've stated on many occasions that anything less than 15 touches a game is not good enough for players like Varcoe. So why would Yarran be a trade worth entertaining if he only averages 10.3 touches as opposed to Varcoe's 9.3?

You keep saying you want to talk facts (stats in your language). There they are.
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Hoffy. The old man isn't advocating getting Yarran. He's using him as a way to help give you bloke perspective. He is the Yarran of Geelong! When will you finally realise this?!
 

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son of meto said:
Hoffy. The old man isn't advocating getting Yarran. He's using him as a way to help give you bloke perspective. He is the Yarran of Geelong! When will you finally realise this?!
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Son of, he said he'd trade Yarran for Varcoe in a heartbeat.
 
son of meto said:
Hoffy. The old man isn't advocating getting Yarran. He's using him as a way to help give you bloke perspective. He is the Yarran of Geelong! When will you finally realise this?!
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Piss off troll.
Varcoe proven finals performer and not holding his club to ransom they are nothing alike.
 

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meto said:
Look! without trying to be aggravating, I'd have to say in most cases yes!...mainly due to he's not getting them on early enough, he's starting from to far away, and most of the time they don't even effect the kick but that's just my observation. From the congested ball situations I'm saying.

Other than that I think at times there's initial hesitation, stats on their effectiveness would tend to support a theory like this I believe, since he's supposed to force turnovers
I don't pretend to be an expert on all things, that's just my guess through observation.
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I know you like to deal in facts and stats, so let me throw this out there.

Varcoe last week was 3rd in tackles for the Cats. The week prior clearly first.

Here's what Champion Data define as a tackle, the basis of the above.

Tackles are recorded when a player stops an opposition player with possession of the ball from getting his kick or handball away in a legal manner. The tacklers action must change the course of play. A tackle will be recorded if a player is legally pushed off his kick or handball resulting in that possession going directly to the opposition or out of bounds on the full. Tackles are NOT recorded if laid in a scrimmage play and / or gang tackles and results in a ball up. A tackle is NOT recorded when in laying a tackle illegally a free kick is conceded.
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So this is at odds with what you are saying. His tackles are effective, they don't get recorded otherwise.

Now I'm all for Varcoe being sent to the VFL for some confidence. His output disposal wise isn't there. I won't mind if he gets another game this week either, but I rate tackling as a massively underrated aspect of the game, purely because to have them recorded as per the definition above they need to make an impact. Kelly for most people was poor in aspects of his game last week (and the last few), I agree, but he had 14 effective tackles too. Tackles can be worth as much as a good kick or handball. Teams with good tacklers also create perceived pressure, there's no stat for that.

What I'm getting at is he contributes more than the kick and handball count that you are only willing to take into account. And you also don't have any idea what criteria they use to credit the tackle count, now you do. A tackle isn't recorded if it isn't effective.
 
Hoffy95 said:
I know you like to deal in facts and stats, so let me throw this out there.

Varcoe last week was 3rd in tackles for the Cats. The week prior clearly first.

Here's what Champion Data define as a tackle, the basis of the above.



So this is at odds with what you are saying. His tackles are effective, they don't get recorded otherwise.

Now I'm all for Varcoe being sent to the VFL for some confidence. His output disposal wise isn't there. I won't mind if he gets another game this week either, but I rate tackling as a massively underrated aspect of the game, purely because to have them recorded as per the definition above they need to make an impact. Kelly for most people was poor in aspects of his game last week (and the last few), I agree, but he had 14 effective tackles too. Tackles can be worth as much as a good kick or handball. Teams with good tacklers also create perceived pressure, there's no stat for that.

What I'm getting at is he contributes more than the kick and handball count that you are only willing to take into account. And you also don't have any idea what criteria they use to credit the tackle count, now you do. A tackle isn't recorded if it isn't effective.
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Hoffy, I'd like to say thank you for engaging in this debate with rigor and clear thinking and a logical rationale. This is good stuff!
First, that does help a lot to bolster the cause of Varcoe's defensive game no doubt! Maybe we aren't seeing things as they are...willing to admit that as possible.
Yet, I'm not completely convinced that's how Champion Data apply their definition when viewing the game. I've seen tackles laid on blokes in a skrimage or gang tackle and one player still get a tackle stat given to them. Even in the case of a ball up.
But I'm willing to sit back and watch and reevaluate this. Knowing me dad he'd be keen to see if your argument sticks too.
Again, this may address and explain Varcoe's defensive game...we still must evaluate his offensive game too and his ability to simply get hand on the ball.

If he is selected this week, again I reiterate, I'm hoping he has a cracker!

Top post:thumbsu:
 
Varcoe is a wonderful player. He has been inspiring on many occasions throughout his career and started the season brilliantly. He is out of form now, but the chances are very high, based on his excellent record, that he will come good. There's a lot of goodwill for TV around the AFL.

I'm looking forward to seeing Trav back on the top of his game.




We can do this.
 

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