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Opinion Travis Varcoe

Assuming Varcoe is worth pick 10 in any draft, would you trade him?

  • Yes

    Votes: 48 39.7%

  • No

    Votes: 30 24.8%

  • Get stuffed Meto

    Votes: 43 35.5%
  • Total voters
    121

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vinum coupe said:
See I dont need him to get it 5 times a quarter.
But I want him harassing all the way up the line towards the opposition goals, and then making runs (being a viable option) 5 times a quarter.

I had a bit of a look back through history. And in early 2011 he was pretty much getting it 12-15 times until after the Perth game when he started to get it more.

Say 19 possessions or so. And one game was 30.

Tomorrow night I just want to see him bring something.
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Rare than rocking horse shit but I've managed to score a ticket - albeit will be sitting with the Chardonnay set but at least I get to see the boys live.:thumbsu:
Particularly interested in watching Motlop and Varcoes running patterns as well as seeing Ballroom again.
Must win game , hope the boys are up and about;)
 
vinum coupe said:
See I dont need him to get it 5 times a quarter.
But I want him harassing all the way up the line towards the opposition goals, and then making runs (being a viable option) 5 times a quarter.

I had a bit of a look back through history. And in early 2011 he was pretty much getting it 12-15 times until after the Perth game when he started to get it more.

Say 19 possessions or so. And one game was 30.

Tomorrow night I just want to see him bring something.
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You don't see the need for him to get it 5 times a quarter?....see that's where we differ I do, and I think he can, he just needs to demand the thing and run hard with the ball carriers, not hover around the back of packs.

1/He should be on the offensive side of packs, so he can friggin well go! Let Bartel be on the other side.
2/He's also got to show greater aggression at the ball, because I think some teammates are ignoring him.
Running with them and into space will help improve their natural awareness that he's on!

You'd love to coach him at the moment though, ..a real challenge!
 
No I'd rather him make 20 runs a game than get it 20 times.
Sure I'd like it. But if Varcoe streams through the middle with the ball 2 times a quarter you can pretty much write down 8 goals for the game.

In the same scenario I'd write Motlop down for 4 or 5 because his disposal isn't up to Varcoes.
 
vinum coupe said:
No I'd rather him make 20 runs a game than get it 20 times.
Sure I'd like it. But if Varcoe streams through the middle with the ball 2 times a quarter you can pretty much write down 8 goals for the game.

In the same scenario I'd write Motlop down for 4 or 5 because his disposal isn't up to Varcoes.
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If he could do that he'd be batting first drop for Australia.
 

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vinum coupe said:
No I'd rather him make 20 runs a game than get it 20 times.
Sure I'd like it. But if Varcoe streams through the middle with the ball 2 times a quarter you can pretty much write down 8 goals for the game.

In the same scenario I'd write Motlop down for 4 or 5 because his disposal isn't up to Varcoes.
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Mate I know you're a fan,..but 8 for 8 wishful thinking!...

If he changes his game he can push those numbers up, if Stokes can do it so can he,...but he's got to run more and demand the thing!....
Atm when he gets it that is, he's a better user of the ball than Motlop, but Mots has been racking up scoring assists through pure numbers of possessions.
If Dawson Simpson can get 18 why shouldn't Varcoe aim for 20, if he starts running like he should, up with the play, involved, then no worries!
You've got to believe VC,....... what am I saying????:rolleyes:
 
lol
 
vinum coupe said:
No I'd rather him make 20 runs a game than get it 20 times.
Sure I'd like it. But if Varcoe streams through the middle with the ball 2 times a quarter you can pretty much write down 8 goals for the game.

In the same scenario I'd write Motlop down for 4 or 5 because his disposal isn't up to Varcoes.
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I know who I'd prefer in the team right now - on current form - and it sure isn't Varcoe.
 
Motlops disposal with time and space is one of the best in the side VC. Being young and inexperienced he still at times blazes away and fails to steady but he's a beauty of a kick when he sizes up his kicks.

Varcoes disposal has just been another down point of his abysmal return. I know he's a good kick but his decision making and ball placement kicking inside 50 has left plenty to be to be desired lately.
 
Jmac2225 said:
Motlops disposal with time and space is one of the best in the side VC. Being young and inexperienced he still at times blazes away and fails to steady but he's a beauty of a kick when he sizes up his kicks.

Varcoes disposal has just been another down point of his abysmal return. I know he's a good kick but his decision making and ball placement kicking inside 50 has left plenty to be to be desired lately.
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Yep! In the last three games his disposal efficiency has been 87%, 76% and 79%.
 
Jmac2225 said:
Motlops disposal with time and space is one of the best in the side VC. Being young and inexperienced he still at times blazes away and fails to steady but he's a beauty of a kick when he sizes up his kicks.

Varcoes disposal has just been another down point of his abysmal return. I know he's a good kick but his decision making and ball placement kicking inside 50 has left plenty to be to be desired lately.
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Absolutely.
I've got no doubt Motlops disposal (damage) can be the equal of Varcoe.
I think he just needs experience. At the same time in their careers though Varcoe was better.
 
meto said:
No problems there AM, but if you're kicking it only 4 times a match they need to be 80% min.
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I think you'll find they are discussing Motlop.
 

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Here we go.
Career stats. And we all love stats....... :)

Varcoe 1425 disposals. 144 clangers. Only 71 bounces which I found surprising.
Motlop 663 disposals. 100 clangers. And 70 bounces already !
 
vinum coupe said:
Here we go.
Career stats. And we all love stats....... :)

Varcoe 1425 disposals. 144 clangers. Only 71 bounces which I found surprising.
Motlop 663 disposals. 100 clangers. And 70 bounces already !
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Varcoe tends to work his speccy runs via the give and go rather than the bounce, starting his runs further back where there are team-mates able to back him up; Motlop often starts his in the middle section of the ground where there are fewer team-mates to work with.
That's no criticism of either, it's just something I've noticed about the way they work. And it's a tendency, not a universal.
 
vinum coupe said:
I think you'll find they are discussing Motlop.
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Thanks, I thought AM was hightlighting Varcoes,.. as JMac had said he's been abysmal (Varcoe),... and AM usually goes into bat for Varcoe!
Well if they are Mots, great!!!,.... wonder what Varcs stat %'s look like?... Coze he would probably only get roughly 4 kicks.
Things hopefully improve Saturday.
 
vinum coupe said:
Here we go.
Career stats. And we all love stats....... :)

Varcoe 1425 disposals. 144 clangers. Only 71 bounces which I found surprising.
Motlop 663 disposals. 100 clangers. And 70 bounces already !
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I told you so VC, ..."he doesn't run long with the ball and break lines", but that's ok if he gets it enough and uses his space and pace. Stats?..We do.:)
 
meto said:
I told you so VC, ..."he doesn't run long with the ball and break lines", but that's ok if he gets it enough and uses his space and pace. Stats?..We do.:)
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To paraphrase a well known politician on another matter - they don't explain everything, they don't explain nothing, they explain some things. In the right hands and with the complete details and knowledge to drill down, ignore them at your peril.

Haven't heard from one of your litter lately. All well!:p
 
AM said:
To paraphrase a well known politician on another matter - they don't explain everything, they don't explain nothing, they explain some things. In the right hands and with the complete details and knowledge to drill down, ignore them at your peril.

Haven't heard from one of your litter lately. All well!:p
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Precisely, as I stated to VC, those stats do indicate he doesn't go for long runs as often as he's credited for...... and that once in his hands he's quick to dispose owing to the kick/bounce ratio.

You're right these numbers are not nothing there something, something that indicates a fallacy held by some that he's going to dash 60 mts with ball in hand, not so! Not like Motlop who does, nor is he a linebreaker which some try to say he is.:hearts:

Son of gets busy. Tomorrow!
 

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No he's not going to run with it for 60 metres, but he'll run along side it for 100
 
Maybe the vfl side is to hard to break into for Trav!!!
 
David the Cat said:
You don't get a stat for that VC! >smirk<
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Since when, since a distant GF,......wouldn't start your talk up till he finally does something!
Hasn't this dude gone to ground of late!:rolleyes:...he's trying to get you carried away again VC, he's obsessed!
 
vinum coupe said:
No he's not going to run with it for 60 metres, but he'll run along side it for 100
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Yes, just how long are these irrationally pro Varcoe supporters going to refer to games from 2 years ago?

Every player puts these types of efforts in at times, I'd bet more often than Varcoe too as his work rate has been rubbish this year.

At the moment his game basically consists of tackling the player who beats him to the ball, and occasionally when he can be bothered, running past a ball winner for a handball receive. Some of CS's selections will lose us the flag this year.
 

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