Opinion Travis Varcoe

[meto]

Neither do I. Don't hold that against him!

Like your honesty Hoffy.......who does!....but he's paid 400+K a year for at least attempting, you're not!

The point I'm making however is, his disposal needs to be exceptional to use those limited possessions to best advantage, if he can do that I think he's worth his place but sub might be best for the team.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Set shots were a big concern on Saturday. He needs to be able to slot them from 45-50m out to justify his spot, in my opinion. He had two chances and really didn't get close.

 

[mac_cat]

He's slowly building in both confidence and form, and I think for Trav they very much go hand in hand. One thing that impressed me from Saturday's game was that he had three chase-down tackles that resulted in holding-the-ball decisions. When the opposition is attacking in a bit of space, those sort of turnovers are very valuable.

 

[meto]

He's slowly building in both confidence and form, and I think for Trav they very much go hand in hand. One thing that impressed me from Saturday's game was that he had three chase-down tackles that resulted in holding-the-ball decisions. When the opposition is attacking in a bit of space, those sort of turnovers are very valuable.

He had 2 frees for and 1 against Sat,.... don't know about 3 holding the ball decisions for?...I still think he's much the better option after 1/2 time when the game opens up for an outsider player.
If he wins 15 disposals it's more likely 10 of them will come in the second half, ...that's why I think he'd make a good sub.

 

[Partridge]

He's slowly building in both confidence and form, and I think for Trav they very much go hand in hand. One thing that impressed me from Saturday's game was that he had three chase-down tackles that resulted in holding-the-ball decisions. When the opposition is attacking in a bit of space, those sort of turnovers are very valuable.

I do agree with that. Those moments do lift the side. The one against Malceski in the last quarter (I think) was like watching a train wreck unfold. He seemed to have no idea how much pressure he was under.

 

[vinum coupe]

Meto. Varcoe is a crap sub.
He either starts or he plays VFL.
End of story.

If you really want to see him play at his worst, make him sub.

 

[dazbroncos]

Meto. Varcoe is a crap sub.
He either starts or he plays VFL.
End of story.

If you really want to see him play at his worst, make him sub.

Thats why he wants to see him sub..

gives him better ammo..

Go Catters

 

[meto]

Meto. Varcoe is a crap sub.
He either starts or he plays VFL.
End of story.

If you really want to see him play at his worst, make him sub.

Why do you say that?....it doesn't necessarily mean next step off is the reserves,...just gives him greater opportunity to impact on the contest.
Obviously Chapman is just to valuable to sit time out when we need his hardness in the action.

In the finals it's going to be hard and tough early,....just count the number of disposals Varcoe gets first half in comparison to the second,.....he doubles,....that's why I'm sure he'd be better as an impact player in the back half of finals games.

 

[vinum coupe]

Well because I dont think he's an impact player as such.
He isn't like a Christensen who will come in, gut run, AND bash into packs to get the contested ball.

In many ways Varcoe improves in the 2nd half because of his first half running. He hurts his opponents aerobically. Just like Blicavs does.

Motlop has also said he is rapt to have Travis back in the team as it gives him a chop out.

BTW, I didnt want Chappy as the sub on the weekend and I can't see him playing that role in September at all.

 

[meto]

I don't reckon he's overly aerobic he's just unstressed outside waiting for an opportunity, then he'll take off but he doesn't take on defensive lines, he's more likely to handball than try that.
His impact is taking yards when the opposition is stretched that's why I'm sure the second half is his go.

 

[footscore]

I don't reckon he's overly aerobic he's just unstressed outside waiting for an opportunity, then he'll take off but he doesn't take on defensive lines, he's more likely to handball than try that.
His impact is taking yards when the opposition is stretched that's why I'm sure the second half is his go.

he's not a mid though, he's a forward who under Scott, has become a half back flank and now beginning to play a certain role for the team.
Will often wait for the pass from the others.

Little by little, he's starting to find his form again, took a while, longer than I expected and am sure most others expected but we are such a better team with him out there.
Just try and enjoy it meto

 

[sk8er_in_town]

I think Varcoe would be the best man to start as sub for the finals, obviously Chappy, Stokes and Christensen have all shown they can be excellent subs but there all to valuable to start as subs come finals footy. So in my opinion I'd go with Varcoe, or possibly Caddy or Guthrie.

 

[Jon Douglas]

Chappy too good to be a sub - if fit he needs to play the whole game (or at worst be subbed out at 3/4 time if he runs out of puff.

Not sure who should be sub really - maybe Caddy but no one seems to deserve to be sub presently.

Thought Varcoe was ok against Swans. Not great but nit bad either. If he can just improve by 15-20 % in the finals he will be fine.

 

[dazbroncos]

I think the sub is viewed the wrong way by many. To me, it is more of a tactical position when used without an injury interruption.

Who will be the most damaging and have the most influence on the contest with 40 mins left in the game. Who can exploit the opposition the most in that situation?

Thats how i look at anyway.

GO Catters

 

[manboob]

I agree in part and you're a good egg Daz so I'll like your post. However, come september I am a bit more cautious and think the sub needs to be someone like Caddy (similar to how Mitch got the gig in 11). A younger type who can fill a role or at the very least slot into a midfield role that allows Stevie J or Bartel to be moved somewhere else.

 

[dazbroncos]

Fair points - I was just getting at the negativity regarding the sub is a bit misplaced and that as has been shown - Stokes, Caddy, Chap etc, can be very damaging and effective and more importantly an attacking option..

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[meto]

I think the sub is viewed the wrong way by many. To me, it is more of a tactical position when used without an injury interruption.

Who will be the most damaging and have the most influence on the contest with 40 mins left in the game. Who can exploit the opposition the most in that situation?

Thats how i look at anyway.

GO Catters

That's why I mentioned Varcoe....of course the group on here so pro Varcoe would obviously react negatively, .....but if you consider his game and the fact that his involvement is at it's lowest in the early stages I reckon Travis Varcoe would suit the role.
Players that regularly get 25-35 possessions are the guys that get their own ball inside and out, the scrappers that contest hard in and around the packs, you need those players from the get go to gain dominance over the opposition.
As a 15 possession player and roughly 10 coming in the second half out wide through handpasses etc, I think he'd cause the most impact and damage for us once activated later in a game.

 

[Cosmic Energy]

Set shots were a big concern on Saturday. He needs to be able to slot them from 45-50m out to justify his spot, in my opinion. He had two chances and really didn't get close.

He didn't look like kicking the first one at all did he. While he is normally a beautiful set shot up to 40m, I can't really remember him kicking too many from the set shot around the 50. There's a couple of our guys who struggle a bit with the set shot around 50m - Stevie J, Stokesy come to mind.

 

[dazbroncos]

That's why I mentioned Varcoe....of course the group on here so pro Varcoe would obviously react negatively, .....but if you consider his game and the fact that his involvement is at it's lowest in the early stages I reckon Travis Varcoe would suit the role.
Players that regularly get 25-35 possessions are the guys that get their own ball inside and out, the scrappers that contest hard in and around the packs, you need those players from the get go to gain dominance over the opposition.
As a 15 possession player and roughly 10 coming in the second half out wide through handpasses etc, I think he'd cause the most impact and damage for us once activated later in a game.

I take your point but there are also players that seem to need to build up over the game. Hyphen and TV are the two that come to mind.

Mots, Stokes, Caddy are a bit more explosive and can go from second #1. Doesn't make them better or worse, just different.

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[MC Extra Dollop]

He didn't look like kicking the first one at all did he. While his is normally a beautiful set shot up to 40m, I can't really remember him kicking too many from the set shot around the 50. There's a couple of our guys who struggle a bit with the set shot around 50m - Stevie J, Stokesy come to mind.

Johnson has become comically bad. Every set shot is an adventure these days.

 

[Topper]

I think the sub is viewed the wrong way by many. To me, it is more of a tactical position when used without an injury interruption.

Who will be the most damaging and have the most influence on the contest with 40 mins left in the game. Who can exploit the opposition the most in that situation?

Thats how i look at anyway.

GO Catters

I actually couldn't disagree more.

I think people are trying to invent way to make the "sub position" tactical.

If any teams sub is not the last person picked then the 21 players that play the majority of the game is not the best side possible.

If someone can have an impact for the last 40 minutes, why not just have that player having an impact for the whole 120 minutes??? They're AFL players, they're all fit enough to play 120 minutes

I think the whole sub position is absolute garbage, but as it is here to stay then the sub should be the player who is on the border of making the team, the 22nd player. Simple. Any other option and the team is worse for it, as the best side is not on the park for the maximum time available.

 

[Partridge]

I think the sub is viewed the wrong way by many. To me, it is more of a tactical position when used without an injury interruption.

Who will be the most damaging and have the most influence on the contest with 40 mins left in the game. Who can exploit the opposition the most in that situation?

Thats how i look at anyway.

GO Catters

Completely agree. I genuinely think Geelong are one of the few sides using it in a tactical way. No way is it a demotion to be the sub, the impact that player has (as we've seen a few times this year) can be enormous.

I still think Joel Corey isn't the worst choice. I understand his stamina is one attribute that has set him apart in the past; but him being completely fresh hitting the packs when everyone else is flagging would not please the opposition coach. Fairly certain of that.

 

[Partridge]

Johnson has become comically bad. Every set shot is an adventure these days.

I suspect his groin is much worse than they've let on and it's effected his penetration - especially on his right side. On the run he's okish, although there seem to be a lot of howlers now, but from a set shot any more than 30m is really pushing it. I think that snap around the corner against West Coast last year from directly in front makes a lot more sense now.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I suspect his groin is much worse than they've let on and it's effected his penetration - especially on his right side. On the run he's okish, although there seem to be a lot of howlers now, but from a set shot any more than 30m is really pushing it. I think that snap around the corner against West Coast last year from directly in front makes a lot more sense now.

It was a cry for help, in hindsight.

 

[meto]

I take your point but there are also players that seem to need to build up over the game. Hyphen and TV are the two that come to mind.

Mots, Stokes, Caddy are a bit more explosive and can go from second #1. Doesn't make them better or worse, just different.

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Spot on.... horses for courses I think is what you're saying, against Hawthorn maybe an inside type sub because of Mitchell and Sewell, I suppose insurance in case they're off the leash.
A player like Caddy can impact as he has shown against the Eagles but I sort of like the backup he brings for Selwood against taggers I think we need his hardness and speed from the start.(he is quick)
GHS or Caddy if you want to add inside extraction or Varcoe if you want added outside pace, depends on how you view the oppositions strengths or weaknesses.

Talking about outside Murdoch last week 32possessions 3goals big game, the kids been unlucky when coming into the seniors, he's not far away from big games in the ones.