Travis Varcoe

[Farmer2Goggin]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Not a fan? No, I'm a realist. I want to beat Collingwood. I want improvement. I want us to be the best. I think Varcoe going back could GREATLY improve his aggression and be the best thing for him and the team moving towards September. His game yesterday was under no pressure... No pressure in finals??? Yeah right!!


No pressure ??? 10 contested possessions in the heat of the battle says otherwise. You have NFI if you're suggesting he be dropped after that performance , you think he's going to get more pressure in the 2's - seriously mate , get a clue.

 

[Partridge]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

No pressure ??? 10 contested possessions in the heat of the battle says otherwise. You have NFI if you're suggesting he be dropped after that performance, you think he's going to get more pressure in the 2's - seriously mate, get a clue.

Varcoe won't get dropped. If he was going to it would've happened way before yesterday.

But I'm not sure there was any heat in yesterday's game, and it sure as hell wasn't a battle.

 

[meto]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Not a fan? No, I'm a realist. I want to beat Collingwood. I want improvement. I want us to be the best. I think Varcoe going back could GREATLY improve his aggression and be the best thing for him and the team moving towards September. His game yesterday was under no pressure... No pressure in finals??? Yeah right!!


No pressure ??? 10 contested possessions in the heat of the battle says otherwise. You have NFI if you're suggesting he be dropped after that performance , you think he's going to get more pressure in the 2's - seriously mate , get a clue.

One swallow doesn't make a summer....... as the saying goes!
He needs more than one game to convince me he's worthy of a game, but obviously he's showing the right signs.
24 touches with 2 goals is what we expect from our senior elite, lets see how he goes against the Bombers away from home, if he's finding serious form then he should do similar considering their current form.

Remember, we've got the Eagles in Perth the following game, no place for the half committed.
Lets face it he needed to show something, lets hope he prooves me wrong and repeats the effort.
Congrats Bundy, told you so!!!

 

[you pick one]

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One swallow doesn't make a summer....... as the saying goes!
He needs more than one game to convince me he's worthy of a game, but obviously he's showing the right signs.
24 touches with 2 goals is what we expect from our senior elite, lets see how he goes against the Bombers away from home, if he's finding serious form then he should do similar considering their current form.

Remember, we've got the Eagles in Perth the following game, no place for the half committed.
Lets face it he needed to show something, lets hope he prooves me wrong and repeats the effort.
Congrats Bundy, told you so!!!

The Bombers may be no tougher than the Crows.

The Eagles on the big ground will be a better test and indication of where he's at.

 

[PatrickBateman]

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The Bombers may be no tougher than the Crows.

The Eagles on the big ground will be a better test and indication of where he's at.

I'm thinking you're probably right. Essendon could make a claim of being the worst team in the league on form... They shouldn't be a task at all, especially with our names back.

The West Coast game will be very interesting. A great chance for them to take a big scalp at home. Their intensity will be up for sure and I agree that Varcoe will be tested.

But hey, I'm just questioning my support of the club apparently by expecting the guy to put his body on the line and contest like he should, like all our other players do. Even Mackie has toughened up this year compared to his form(especially last year), kudos to him. I've been hard on him in the past. No room for lazy, front-runners in today's contested game Trav.

 

[PatrickBateman]

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The rest of your post is a garble of drivel. You're a realist and you are comparing Gold Coast to Geelong? People have no trouble seeing Gary's worth to the Gold Coast, everyone knows he is a great player and so? You're trying to make out like this is some incredible point you are making?

I thought you'd miss my point. You tried to use Geelong's winning record to somehow prove Varcoe's worth in the team... I just used Ablett as the opposite example... The best player in the league(arguably) performs at the top level, yet his team is still rubbish. In other words, one player stand alone has minimal impact to a team. Whether he's in sync or not with the team is more important... Varcoe has truly been a pedestrian for most of 2011. Out of touch with the midfield group.

The argument that Varcoe deserves credibility for the teams winning streak is fundamentally flawed. His personal form has been substandard, when he should be improving. He's at the prime age + is in a winning, dominant team.. No excuses!!

When did I ever compare the Geelong side with Gold Coast? Muppet.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

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24 possessions. 2 goals. 10 contested possessions. 4 tackles.

Exactly what we were looking for from you Trav

There are ********s in every audience Trav. Some racially abuse, some develop a bias for whatever reason against certain players and just spend an entire football life bad mouthing the same players, week after week.

You pleased the coach, he made special mention of you this week, and he was one of the hardest players to ever play the game. You are the only guy to play every match this year, so thats a big contribution when 13-0.

Linga said you reaped some rewards for all the hard work you have been putting in this week after the game and we look forward to the improvement continuing. As you know at the top level you go as hard as you can every week, and play your part in the structure of the side. Every player contributes to that structure or you get exploited and wind up losing matches as a result.

You cant please everyone all the time mate but you are pleasing the people that matter to you and they are people who understand the modern game.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

I thought you'd miss my point. You tried to use Geelong's winning record to somehow prove Varcoe's worth in the team... I just used Ablett as the opposite example... The best player in the league(arguably) performs at the top level, yet his team is still rubbish. In other words, one player stand alone has minimal impact to a team. Whether he's in sync or not with the team is more important... Varcoe has truly been a pedestrian for most of 2011. Out of touch with the midfield group.

The argument that Varcoe deserves credibility for the teams winning streak is fundamentally flawed. His personal form has been substandard, when he should be improving. He's at the prime age + is in a winning, dominant team.. No excuses!!

When did I ever compare the Geelong side with Gold Coast? Muppet.

Thanks for highlighting your serious lack of knowledge regarding the modern game. Yup one great player cant effect a result if the majority of the rest of the side isnt contributing at the same level.

But its not the same vice versa scenario when you are winning.

Answer this Mr Coach of the Century. Has changing the interchange rules had a marked effect on how sides perform? Thats just one player difference isnt it? Yet everyone has said what a difference it has made.

The point is you dont go 13-0 carrying someone in the team like you idiotically suggest. The AFL with all their stats and research understand how implementing the sub rule which accords to one player less available makes a huge difference to a side's weekly output and structures.

You compared the Gold Coast's losing ways directly to the opposite with Geelong winning and how one player different in either scenario doesnt make a huge difference. Couldnt be further from the accurate truth if you tried. What a really ignorant thing to say. You havent got a clue have you? No football brain at all. Cant wait for the inevitable BS and side tracking to come.

 

[PatrickBateman]

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As you know at the top level you go as hard as you can every week, and play your part in the structure of the side.

Sorry mate, all credibility lost with that statement right there. If you honestly believe that you've got some serious learning to do. Pathetic..

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Sorry mate, all credibility lost with that statement right there. If you honestly believe that you've got some serious learning to do. Pathetic..

Is that the best side track you can come up with mate? Pretty pissweak. Hate to break this to you but guys can play poorly and still be playing their heart out.

I know you have never ever played a poor game in your life!! What a true champion of the game you must be. What a star!

Care to explain your complete lack of understanding re the sub rule and how one player makes a huge difference to a side's output weekly hence has a huge impact on whether a side wins or loses. I mean thats why the AFL implemented the policy in the first place to reduce output. Any thoughts from you?

Comparing the difference one player can make to the Gold Coast losing in a side with many young guys to how Geelong is 13-0 is the funniest pile of shit I have read regarding the modern game in quite some time. In actual fact with the reduced bench any guy not contributing would be noticed more readily.

I look forward to an explanation from you? Could you please provide relevant stats as to why everything the AFL researched is BS?

Hopefully you're not going to wimp out of this mate?

 

[PatrickBateman]

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Is that the best side track you can come up with mate? Pretty pissweak. Hate to break this to you but guys can play poorly and still be playing their heart out.

True, although that goes no way to saving that statement you made. They aren't robots Einstein, players for any number of reasons can lack effort from game to game. Poor.

I know you have never ever played a poor game in your life!! What a true champion of the game you must be. What a star!

Typical reaction to getting pulled up on a truly pathetic statement... No surprises there.

Care to explain your complete lack of understanding re the sub rule and how one player makes a huge difference to a side's output weekly hence has a huge impact on whether a side wins or loses. I mean thats why the AFL implemented the policy in the first place to reduce output. Any thoughts from you?

How am I supposed to explain something you make clear I have no understanding of? One player does make an impact, from game to game depending on the player and their position it can be a big impact(especially key position players). Ultimately though in the long term, the team will produce the results.

Comparing the difference one player can make to the Gold Coast losing in a side with many young guys to how Geelong is 13-0 is the funniest pile of shit I have read regarding the modern game in quite some time.

I simply used your own Gorilla philosophy in reverse. You often call you own material a pile of shit?? Self respect check boss.

I look forward to an explanation from you? Could you please provide relevant stats as to why everything the AFL researched is BS?

Hopefully you're not going to wimp out of this mate?

Wimp out? Nah, I'll make a fool of you for as long as you're willing to contribute.

 

[AM]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

You have clearly not watched much of Varcoe then.

He does more when we need him to against the top sides.

Flirting with form is a dangerous thing and a major cause of giving coaches grey hair. Good players offer a consistent effort week-in-week-out.

I suspect Trav's major shoulder issues have something to do with his inconsistency.

Quite liked his run from the back half at the weekend.

 

[Crhferrari]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Varcoe responded on Sunday match.
But he really needs some big performance when facing teams like Collingwood and Hawthorn.

 

[meto]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Carlton one of the bottom 8 teams?

Come on RHS, you and I both know the only time he handled the ball was for those 3 outside goals he snared in the third quarter, the rest of the game he was nowhere to be found!

The 24 disposals is about his all time high, he usually averages around the low to high teens at best, I know, I've been comparing his imput to the likes of Shannon Byrnes over the last 3 seasons and 75% of those games Shannon had higher possessions and kicked more goals, yet the Varcoe fanatics like to make out he's so superior to Shannon, figures show the opposite, that's the facts, he hasn't been.

Adelaide are a running side, they run up and down the park, that's the way they play, this game was always going to suit the Travis Varcoe type, expose the open spaces created by their up and down run, good luck to him, I hope he can reproduce against the top sides, but I seriously doubt it. Their close hard checking will shut him down, that's when he goes into glide mode.

He gets another confidence building chance against Essendon before the Eagles, but I think he's going to find them a little harder and tighter than Adelaide at Geelong.
Heard is not happy.

But,what about the new young future champ 'Bundy',
26 possessions and 2 goals, he deserves a thread.
Early on I thought he was on for a 40.

Oh yeah! for those who like to create injury excuses, after the 24, no excuses now!!!

 

[topic97]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Well that was a waste of my time, going through the last few pages of drivel I "missed".

Fact of the matter is, he isnt going to be dropped next week due to his form against Adelaide.

Why dont we all see how TV goes in the coming couple of weeks and reserve judgement on his form until then!

 

[PatrickBateman]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

But,what about the new young future champ 'Bundy',
26 possessions and 2 goals, he deserves a thread.
Early on I thought he was on for a 40.

That has been my point consistently before this got ludicrous. Bundy deserves a spot over Varcoe if there is only room for one of them in the side. The guy was arguably BOG against Adelaide, but showed good tough, hard ball winning ability and no fear. His game(at present) will hold up a lot better against the best sides who don't give us the space Adelaide did. Varcoe needs space to be effective... that has been proven time and time again.

Again, I'm happy to be proven wrong. I just think Varcoe's intent towards the contest must improve as AFL footy at the top level has become all about contested footy. The running in waves/handball game of '07/'08 is well and truly gone. Varcoe must adapt.

I don't see the problem in having expectations on players and why some fans take criticism of them to heart. It's a game and they're professionals.... sensitivity caps off gents.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Always funny to see muppets calling him a downhill skiier. It's probably because he's aboriginal and it's a common stereotype.

His best patches were in close wins against Hawthorn and Carlton.

At least you've outed yourself as a probable racist with definitely no idea

 

[Partridge]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Again, I'm happy to be proven wrong. I just think Varcoe's intent towards the contest must improve as AFL footy at the top level has become all about contested footy. The running in waves/handball game of '07/'08 is well and truly gone. Varcoe must adapt.

I don't see the problem in having expectations on players and why some fans take criticism of them to heart. It's a game and they're professionals.... sensitivity caps off gents.

Nothing wrong with what you've said there PB. Completely agree. They aren't playing out of the kindness of their heart.

 

[hbk_aus]

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No not racist, being aboriginal has nothing do with his downhill skiing ability. Its because he's a soft outside player who goes missing when the heat is on. Yeah he may get a lot of tackles, but that's because he's always 2nd to the ball.

Would've thought there aint much more heat than the last quarter of a tight Grand Final. Did you miss the 2009 GF? He was terrific in the last. But I am sure you have some reason why we shouldnt credit him for that.

 

[Gladbaqs]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Would've thought there aint much more heat than the last quarter of a tight Grand Final. Did you miss the 2009 GF? He was terrific in the last. But I am sure you have some reason why we shouldnt credit him for that.

This is the thread that won't die.

Good to see Varcoe have his best game for the season against the Crows. He wasn't in the best 22 on form, so it's good that with multiple players missing he took his opportunity to work hard and turn things around. I would genuinely like to see him take the mantle as Geelong's best player. Hope he can.

I have watched the 2009 GF last quarter more than 10 times. I'd guess that he had four possessions (two ineffective), one tackle and maybe 15 SuperCoach points. Does somebody know where to look these details up?

I want to see if it's in the realms of possibility to build a case that Varcoe was "terrific" in the last quarter that day.

 

[hbk_aus]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

This is the thread that won't die.

Good to see Varcoe have his best game for the season against the Crows. He wasn't in the best 22 on form, so it's good that with multiple players missing he took his opportunity to work hard and turn things around. I would genuinely like to see him take the mantle as Geelong's best player. Hope he can.

I have watched the 2009 GF last quarter more than 10 times. I'd guess that he had four possessions (two ineffective), one tackle and maybe 15 SuperCoach points. Does somebody know where to look these details up?

I want to see if it's in the realms of possibility to build a case that Varcoe was "terrific" in the last quarter that day.

Unlike the Super Coach disciples that seem to base all players abilities on stats alone, i prefer to look at the overall effect a player has on a game. And he and Byrnes were terrific in that last quarter in my opinion.

It is also my opinion that he has been coasting for a lot of games this year and was nearly due for a spell in the 2's but after the weekend i would give him another go to see if the penny has dropped.

So as you can see I am on neither side of this rather pointless debate.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

This is the thread that won't die.

Good to see Varcoe have his best game for the season against the Crows. He wasn't in the best 22 on form, so it's good that with multiple players missing he took his opportunity to work hard and turn things around. I would genuinely like to see him take the mantle as Geelong's best player. Hope he can.

I have watched the 2009 GF last quarter more than 10 times. I'd guess that he had four possessions (two ineffective), one tackle and maybe 15 SuperCoach points. Does somebody know where to look these details up?

I want to see if it's in the realms of possibility to build a case that Varcoe was "terrific" in the last quarter that day.

Often fans only look at the obvious things that occur during a game, Varcoe can grab attention because running with the ball and having shots on goal are staples for him. The blokes who won the ball and fed it out to him... not so much.

 

[darren forssman]

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Heard is not happy.

shane's back? again?

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Often fans only look at the obvious things that occur during a game, Varcoe can grab attention because running with the ball and having shots on goal are staples for him. The blokes who won the ball and fed it out to him... not so much.

Your prejudice is very transparent. Watch the first half again , he gets a lot of contested possession and played more inside football than outside.
Nothing wrong with being a jet and working hard to finish off good work either..........next you'll be asking Wojo to stop breaking the lines and showing off. We all want Trav to be consistent and let's hope he can play as he did on Sunday more often.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Your prejudice is very transparent. Watch the first half again , he gets a lot of contested possession and played more inside football than outside.
Nothing wrong with being a jet and working hard to finish off good work either..........next you'll be asking Wojo to stop breaking the lines and showing off. We all want Trav to be consistent and let's hope he can play as he did on Sunday more often.

I'm prejudice, how so?

Wojo is not a midfielder and never claimed to be one. He has a role to run out of defense or off the wing. Varcoe follows the stoppages like a genuine midfielder and rarely shows aggression to the contest.

I do hope he plays somewhere near his best too. Judging him at all on Sunday's game is just foolish though. When a bunch of VFL players who are struggling to win games in a team at VFL level suddenly destroy an AFL level team? If you can't smell something fishy there, you simply aren't looking at this realistically. Adelaide were beyond pathetic.