Travis Varcoe

[David the Cat]

I understand Varcoe had a shoulder reconstruction.

I am told recovery is 6 months AT BEST, more likely 9 and in some cases 12 months.

To say he has not carried that injury to some extent during the season is ignorant. Of course ignoring that possibility suits the haters.

Bottom line is Varcoe is in our best 22..selection policy clearly shows that, and Scott's comments confirm it.

Live with it.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Super Decoy role. He demands the opposition best tagger, because he is our most creative and dangerous player, and he deviantly and tactically takes himself and his tagger away from the action, while leaving it open for Stokes to take on his former role virtually unopposed.

How come you haven't noticed this already.

The thing is, this will change when the opposition don't rate him any more, and come September, he'll be the difference.

Are you being serious here VEEDUBS? Please say you're not... otherwise this is without doubt the biggest load of rubbish I've seen on the Geelong forum to date.

 

[meto]

Almost fell outta my chair when I read this, then realised you were taking the p**s ......................... you ARE taking the p**s aren't you, please say you are.

When it comes to Trav ya can never be sure though.

The 'Super Decoy,' at the moment I'm laughing that much, it hurts!

I know football has changed........but, 'come on lets be serious'!

That would mean that Stokesy actually owes his awesome 2011 form to Trav?

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

...."In other words, one player stand alone has minimal impact to a team"...

Its ok Veedubs, I generally agree with your sentiments re Trav, and the above line is the dumbest thing I have ever heard from an adult (an assumption of course!) about AFL football. I mean with the money invested to research the sub-rule and the amount of dialogue and media on the topic this year, it just shows zero football brain to say it.

Funny how our hard in and under mids went a bit soft Vs Essendon. Too much running to do guys? Couldnt then apply yourself to the contest? We all know they arent soft but they sure as hell looked as soft as butter on Saturday night. The very same comments made about Trav in here ironically who does that running for us week in week out.

He has an important role in the side which was highlighted on Saturday night. Yes a lack of intensity was the reason we lost the game, but it wasnt because players werent trying, it was because they were struggling with the aerobic challenge of missing Varcoe and of course Corey.

Like it or lump it, we have won matches without Corey and Selwood this season, but Trav was missing and we lost our first match. Suck it up haters

 

[PatrickBateman]

To say he has not carried that injury to some extent during the season is ignorant. Of course ignoring that possibility suits the haters.

Bottom line is Varcoe is in our best 22..selection policy clearly shows that, and Scott's comments confirm it.

Live with it.

Or the injury is convenient for his adorers? Depends how you look at it. A huge % of players play with injuries on and off all season... some for the entire season. Labelling those of us with expectations of him haters is pathetic.

Varcoe is in our best 22, but that decision is based on past performance(pre-2011) and reputation, not form. He was expected to make gains in 2011 but has gone backwards, for that reason people will criticise. Deal with it.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

The 'Super Decoy,' at the moment I'm laughing that much, it hurts!

I know football has changed........but, 'come on lets be serious'!

That would mean that Stokesy actually owes his awesome 2011 form to Trav?

I have to say Meto, I have found a great deal of humour in your postings as well in this thread. Not for any positive or healthy reasons I might add, just a comic farce mainly based on disbelief and delusion. Sad really.

Of course with the changing trends in society, bias, hatred and yup good old racism will find the internet the only safe haven to voice one's outdated, disgraceful and anonymous (often gutless, always negative and useless) opinions.

 

[Vdubs]

Are you being serious here VEEDUBS? Please say you're not... otherwise this is without doubt the biggest load of rubbish I've seen on the Geelong forum to date.

You are just feeling left out because you didn't know??

Which bit is rubbish?

 

[The 747]

Super Decoy role. He demands the opposition best tagger, because he is our most creative and dangerous player, and he deviantly and tactically takes himself and his tagger away from the action, while leaving it open for Stokes to take on his former role virtually unopposed.

How come you haven't noticed this already.

The thing is, this will change when the opposition don't rate him any more, and come September, he'll be the difference.

I'll give your post a serious answer because it may well be serious.

Noticed the decoy stuff a lot in the Collingwood game but I wasn't sure if that was players refusing to give the ball to him or not. I haven't seen other games he has played live so can't comment on it.
If it is a plan it is an interesting one.

As far as the view on this thread, what do you expect? He was expected to come on and be one of our top players this year and he has completely not done that. Whether injury, form or whatever the fact he has performed a long way below most fans expectations. And probably the only guy in the team who has done so (considering enough have their doubts about Hawkins anyway) so no wonder it is a long thread.

Hope he rips it up in WA this Friday

 

[PatrickBateman]

Funny how our hard in and under mids went a bit soft Vs Essendon. Too much running to do guys? Couldnt then apply yourself to the contest? We all know they arent soft but they sure as hell looked as soft as butter on Saturday night. The very same comments made about Trav in here ironically who does that running for us week in week out.

That makes no sense. Varcoe has averaged less than 2 tackles a game the year, he isn't winning the ball or applying much pressure on the opposition in 2011. Essendon were more intense at the footy and ran twice as hard as us. There's nothing to suggest they're a fitter side, they just wanted the win more. We butchered the ball going forward due to extreme pressure, and they ran back and smothered our forward line with ease. Varcoe's form in 2011 suggests he would have been one of the last to stand up and lead by example on Saturday night. Most of the running he does is to get a handball receive or finding space, both of which would not have been required on Saturday. It was a hot, contested, hard contest.

You're making ridiculous, ill found assumptions. Mine are based on his form this year. We needed Selwood to inspire the side.

 

[Vdubs]

I'll give your post a serious answer because it may well be serious.

Noticed the decoy stuff a lot in the Collingwood game but I wasn't sure if that was players refusing to give the ball to him or not. I haven't seen other games he has played live so can't comment on it.
If it is a plan it is an interesting one.

As far as the view on this thread, what do you expect? He was expected to come on and be one of our top players this year and he has completely not done that. Whether injury, form or whatever the fact he has performed a long way below most fans expectations. And probably the only guy in the team who has done so (considering enough have their doubts about Hawkins anyway) so no wonder it is a long thread.

Hope he rips it up in WA this Friday

Bear with me while I'll be SERIOUS about Travis Varcoe.

He is one of the players I love to watch in AFL, and THE most exciting player at Geelong. Can't wait to see more of it
He is in my top 6 must keeps.
We haven't lost a game with him in the team, we lost our first game with him out.
We are a better, more exciting team with him in it, giving opposition the headache of unpredictability, exceptional speed and skill.
In short, I'm a huge fan, and make of that what you like. And, I'm not alone

Thanks for the honest reply.

 

[PatrickBateman]

You are just feeling left out because you didn't know??

Which bit is rubbish?

You were serious.. LOL!

He demands the opposition best tagger?
Wrong. He rarely even starts in the square... usually off the wing. In all the games I've seen this year, Selwood, Chapman or Steve Johnson have typically gotten the tags. You've totally made this up, if not... where are some examples this year? Who's tagged him?

Our most creative and dangerous player?
How? Give me just one stat to even begin to suggest this please? With all the talent and star quality in our team, I can't believe you could be so simple as to suggest this.

A decoy for Stokes?
I'm not even going to bother. Utter rubbish.

 

[Vdubs]

You were serious.. LOL!

He demands the opposition best tagger?
Wrong. He rarely even starts in the square... usually off the wing. In all the games I've seen this year, Selwood, Chapman or Steve Johnson have typically gotten the tags. You've totally made this up, if not... where are some examples this year? Who's tagged him?

Our most creative and dangerous player?
How? Give me just one stat to even begin to suggest this please? With all the talent and star quality in our team, I can't believe you could be so simple as to suggest this.

A decoy for Stokes?
I'm not even going to bother. Utter rubbish.

Why don't you go back and see what I replied to?
So serious, Better Loosen Up would be a more apt user name?

 

[PatrickBateman]

Why don't you go back and see what I replied to?
So serious, Better Loosen Up would be a more apt user name?

Don't dodge around the questions. Please provide us all the stats, which support your claims. You've not answered them in any other post.

 

[Vdubs]

Don't dodge around the questions. Please provide us all the stats, which support your claims. You've not answered them in any other post.

I rest my case, Your Seriousness

 

[darren forssman]

Don't dodge around the questions. Please provide us all the stats, which support your claims. You've not answered them in any other post.

i think vd admitted that his "decoy" post was not serious.

what i dont get is that people keep harping on his 2010 as being great, and yet his 2011 stats are eerily similar (bar the tackles).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Varcoe

 

[PatrickBateman]

i think vd admitted that his "decoy" post was not serious.


Season Team # Games Disposals Kicks Handballs Marks Tackles Goals Behinds 2006 Geelong 5 — — — — — — — — 2007 Geelong 5 18 144 (8.0) 72 (4.0) 72 (4.0) 35 (1.9) 57 (3.2) 15 (0.8) 7 (0.4) 2008 Geelong 5 16 185 (11.6) 98 (6.1) 87 (5.4) 45 (2.8) 72 (4.5) 14 (0.9) 7 (0.4) 2009 Geelong 5 22 313 (14.2) 140 (6.4) 173 (7.9) 65 (3.0) 75 (3.4) 22 (1.0) 14 (0.6) 2010 Geelong 5 20 320 (16.0) 146 (7.3) 174 (8.7) 72 (3.6) 82 (4.1) 31 (1.6) 13 (0.6) 2011 Geelong 5 13 198 (15.2) 95 (7.3) 103 (7.9) 33 (2.5) 25 (1.9) 15 (1.2) 8 (0.6) Career totals 89 1160 (13.0) 551 (6.2) 609 (6.8) 250 (2.8) 311 (3.5) 97 (1.1) 49 (0.6) [edit]

And your point is?

 

[SJ]

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[PatrickBateman]

i think vd admitted that his "decoy" post was not serious.

what i dont get is that people keep harping on his 2010 as being great, and yet his 2011 stats are eerily similar (bar the tackles).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Varcoe

Yeah fair enough, his stats are all still down though. Tackles down too much.

I'm hoping more than everyone that he runs rampant against West Coast and we win.. I want improvement. We won't get over the Pies in September if he(and others) can't lift against quality opposition. The thought(likely) of meeting the Pies in the GF and losing sickens me.

 

[Belisarius]

I understand Varcoe had a shoulder reconstruction.

I am told recovery is 6 months AT BEST, more likely 9 and in some cases 12 months.

To say he has not carried that injury to some extent during the season is ignorant. Of course ignoring that possibility suits the haters.

Bottom line is Varcoe is in our best 22..selection policy clearly shows that, and Scott's comments confirm it.

If it is true the injury was worse than I believed - perhaps that is also a factor to be considered. Some players do not handle playing with an injury as well as others.

If true I hope his shoulder gets better as the season progresses - and is fine for the finals.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

We really missed Travs input last Saturday night. We missed his run and carry and the other guys just couldnt make up the slack. In fact they looked a bit soft if you ask me. With Trav in the side the balance between in and under mids and guys who can run and carry was better. This is the point being made by some of us posters, even an "out of form" Trav was better in the side then out, eventually he would find his touch. Its a shame it took a loss for people to realise his real value to the side.

(Hopefully I can just post that opinion without anyone going nutso!!!)

 

[PatrickBateman]

We really missed Travs input last Saturday night. We missed his run and carry and the other guys just couldnt make up the slack. In fact they looked a bit soft if you ask me. With Trav in the side the balance between in and under mids and guys who can run and carry was better. This is the point being made by some of us posters, even an "out of form" Trav was better in the side then out, eventually he would find his touch. Its a shame it took a loss for people to realise his real value to the side.

(Hopefully I can just post that opinion without anyone going nutso!!!)

I still don't think this would have helped on Saturday night though. Work rate and intensity was where we got beaten by the Bombers and I'd suggest that Corey and Selwood would have really benefited our case in that particular game. There were certainly no easy touches and we had very little run and carry game on the night, which is where Varcoe is of best use.

If Varcoe's tackling was good this year, maybe not... An avg of 1.9 tackles just doesn't cut it, not when he has the pace to chase most players down. Finding touch against the witches hats named Adelaide is one thing, maintaining it against West Coast is another. I want to see him stand up and play a good 4 quarters in a close, hardly fought contest.... after all, that is what finals is all about, which he showed last year.

 

[darren forssman]

And your point is?

my point re vd or that ridiculous table i tried to copy and paste which came out looking like a pile of shite?

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

We have won games with both Selwood and Corey out of the side this season and Taylor Hunt as well. They havent played, we still won and we havent looked soft either but this was all before Saturday night. Some people may not be able to deal with it but thats life, its what happened. We are fit this year no question, but obviously the in and under mids arent equipped to handle the modern game with all the running involved with the press etc on their own. I would assume the scoreboard is a valuable stat surely?

I think we were missing Travs clean delivery into the F50 and his ability to kick a game breaking goal too. Boy did we miss that.

 

[bulletproof]

This thread has gone a bit feral. I can't believe anyone would not want Varcoe at his best in the side. The coaches believe they can coax him into that form through showing trust and patience. The carrot over the stick approach.

I think we can all agree that if Varcoe strikes form we are looking hard to beat. I guess we arguing over how likely that would be.

 

[PatrickBateman]

This thread has gone a bit feral. I can't believe anyone would not want Varcoe at his best in the side. The coaches believe they can coax him into that form through showing trust and patience. The carrot over the stick approach.

I think we can all agree that if Varcoe strikes form we are looking hard to beat. I guess we arguing over how likely that would be.

Very true indeed. I've repeated myself numerous times saying I want him to improve and be a great player... and apparently I'm a Varcoe 'hater'? Many on here take any sought of player criticism personally(obvious who they are), which is really dumb when you consider that the players are professionals and as members we contribute to their salaries.