Unsolved Trial date for Ciara Glennon Claremont suspect delayed again

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Dan Baker

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The other reason CSK may have dropped bodies 90 degrees to this, is the Zodiac killer used a prime meridian for San Franciso area, the base line for all property development surveys in the area.
This is also explained in prior posts, so best check back rather than asking for it be reposted over and over.

Here is the prime meridian for the San Francisco area that Zodiac killer references on his map. No one had as of 6 months ago presented the prime meridian in the Zodiac killer forum.
Zodiac was anti-property development and had gone lived in a basic cabin.

Diablo is latin for Devil mountain

In 1971, Kaczynski moved to a remote cabin without electricity or running water in Lincoln, Montana, where he lived as a recluse while learning survival skills in an attempt to become self-sufficient. In 1978, after witnessing the destruction of the wildland surrounding his cabin, he concluded that living in nature was untenable and began his bombing campaign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski


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Dan Baker

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So we have a pre existing case of the same manner, one the most infamous cases, and users are precluding the possibility at a whim.
 
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Regarding the Statement of Material Facts. It is exactly that. Material Facts. Not allegations. Not a blow by blow account of what they will allege someone did or how exactly. Material Facts.
Ie. On xx date an unknown person entered a house via xx where they proceeded to enter a bedroom occupied by xx. Etc etc. A garment was recovered at the scene that did not belong to the occupants of the property and was removed in evidence bag no. Xxx. Etc etc.

No one is expected to ever plead with that information alone. The explanation about the purpose of the document, provided from Legal Aid using marijuana as an example that you quoted Dan, was a simplified explanation designed for anyone to understand its purpose from a legal sense.
But... Let me give you another example to show you how preliminary the document actually is in establishing a case.
Lets exchange the drug (marijuana) with something less recognisable and presume it was a white powder instead. This powder may be assumed by police to be a particular substance, perhaps indicated by the presumptive tests they did on it when they found it in your possession & which the outcome resulted in an arrest & for which you have to appear in court within days. This is when they must provide you, if they havent already, with a prosecution notice (indicating possession of a prohibited drug under section xxx of xxx) and material facts of your charge (indicating a white powder was found in your possession weighing xx for which presumptive testing indicated it was a prohibited drug. You were subsequently arrested & taken in custody, transported to xx police station, charged & summonsed to appear in court on a later date). Thats it.
Now, you are in front of a judge & you have these 2 documents in your hand, you may or may not have lawyer present. If you don't, more often than not the judge will tell you to see one and remand you regardless, unless you can convince them you will represent yourself and understand it exactly. Either way, and at sometime, you have to make a choice regardless. You may decide to cop it sweet & plead guilty immediately knowing that white substance they found was in fact a prohibited drug, in which case you will probably be dealt with immediately and convicted. On the other hand, you could ask either ask for an adjournment or you could plead not guilty immediately for many reasons, not least because you know that the white powder they arrested and charged you for, which is indicated to be a prohibited drug on the Statement of Material Facts and the Prosecution Notice, was in fact a diet supplement for which the presumptive test was totally wrong. At your next court appearance you or your lawyer may indicate that you wish to reserve your plea awaiting further testing (which would probably require you to reappear prior to the results being available anyway) or you may plead not guilty and have a trial date set (no doubt several months later again). In between such time you wait it out until eventually your lawyer phones you & says he has been contacted by police & they are discontinuing the charges based on the lab results that confirmed the substance wasnt what they alleged it to be at all. If its magistrates court you dont need to do anything because your lawyer will have probably told the cops that he intends to apply for costs and he will appear in court on your behalf where the prosecutor will formally discontinue the charges and the judge will award costs to him. If its district (depending on the amount of powder) your charges will be discontinued too, but your still screwed because you have a large lawyers fee to pay, thanks WAPOL.
None of that changes the fact that the court documents say they found you in possession of something illegal that they arrested and charged you for.

Hence, not always being required to plead, particularly in higher courts & particularly on multiple charges until you have conclusive evidence to support the charges. In this case, there are some charges that can be substituted for alternative charges under the laws. You have to know the hand you are playing with or against before committing to play either way. Trials would be set and vacated, remanded or discontinued constantly for no reason with the numerous appearances just clogging courts up in the meantime. As it is, if your facing several charges from one incidence that require attendance in both magistrates and district court & you intend to plead not guilty to the more serious offence, the magistrate court charges will more often than not be held over until the higher court process has been completed. This may take up to 18mths and by the time you finally appear in Magistrates Court on the lesser charges, which are quite often discontinued anyway if your found not guilty in a higher court , you or your lawyers may have already appeared there 10 or more times for no reason. Its a crazy process and takes forever. Particularly when there are disputes from either side about something. It all has to be sorted out (as much as it can be) prior to any trial. Even in the most straightforward 3 day district court trials, where none of the checks and balances are necessary beforehand, the jury might be asked to leave the court room several times to enable the lawyers and judge to hash something out. Most times the jury haven't got a clue whats going on or why. They just leave, come back and it continues. All of this has to sorted out in advance in Supreme Court to enable a trial, that can be set down to be heard over months, to go ahead smoothly. I wouldnt be holding my breath in this case. Mandatory sentences if guilty, how would you plead!!
 
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Not pleaded guilty. Any evidence of a plea made? Oops! There goes 25% to 35% reduction under fast-trak

4.If an accused does not plead guilty, the case is adjourned to enable the prosecution to comply with its disclosure obligations under the Criminal Procedure
Act
In general terms, the obligation requires the prosecution to serve on the accused all evidentiary material, irrespective of whether it assists the prosecutor's case or the accused's defence, and all confessional material: s42 of the Criminal Procedure Act.

Once that material is served on the accused, he or she appears in the Magistrates Court at, what is called in the Criminal Procedure Act, a disclosure/committal hearing, but which is universally known as a committal mention date.

The delay between his or her first appearance and committal depends, to a large extent, on the complexity of the case. In cases where the evidence is complex and there are ongoing inquiries, especially of a scientific or forensic nature, the delays can be considerable. In Western Australia, due primarily to lack of sufficient resources, there are substantial delays in obtaining drug analysis certificates, the results of DNA analysis and the analysis of computers.
https://aija.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Mazza.pdf
Why do you keep posting this Dan, whats your point?
I told you when I posted the link to the document that Mazza's summary of the process doesnt differentiate between pleading not guilty and not entering a plea at all, but either applies.

I then posted the actual legislation that does spell it out very clearly that both situations apply.

There seems to be no dispute on the application of section 42 being full disclosure of evidence prior to a committal hearing now, which you have consistently disputed before.

Why dont you read any one of the numerous posts made in the past few days quoting the actual legislation that details what is going to happen at the committal hearing under section 44, which is where it states the accused will be required to enter a plea.

Fast track to where exactly? He is facing 2 charges that have mandatory sentences, there will be no reduction on them anyway. If guilty he is facing life imprisonment or strict security life imprisonment, thats it. The other charges are a whole different matter again and carry terms between 5 - 20 yrs x 6 charges. 2 separate instances. Hes not worrying about not getting an early plea reduction via fast track at this stage believe me!
 
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Now, you are in front of a judge & you have these 2 documents in your hand, you may or may not have lawyer present. If you don't, more often than not the judge will tell you to see one and remand you regardless, unless you can convince them you will represent yourself and understand it exactly. Either way, and at sometime, you have to make a choice regardless. You may decide to cop it sweet & plead guilty immediately knowing that white substance they found was in fact a prohibited drug, in which case you will probably be dealt with immediately and convicted. On the other hand, you could ask either ask for an adjournment or you could plead not guilty immediately for many reasons, not least because you know that the white powder they arrested and charged you for, which is indicated to be a prohibited drug on the Statement of Material Facts and the Prosecution Notice, was in fact a diet supplement for which the presumptive test was totally wrong. At your next court appearance you or your lawyer may indicate that you wish to reserve your plea awaiting further testing (which would probably require you to reappear prior to the results being available anyway) or you may plead not guilty and have a trial date set (no doubt several months later again). In between such time you wait it out until eventually your lawyer phones you & says he has been contacted by police & they are discontinuing the charges based on the lab results that confirmed the substance wasnt what they alleged it to be at all. If its magistrates court you dont need to do anything because your lawyer will have probably told the cops that he intends to apply for costs and he will appear in court on your behalf where the prosecutor will formally discontinue the charges and the judge will award costs to him. If its district (depending on the amount of powder) your charges will be discontinued too, but your still screwed because you have a large lawyers fee to pay, thanks WAPOL.
None of that changes the fact that the court documents say they found you in possession of something illegal that they arrested and charged you for.


Hence, not always being required to plead, particularly in higher courts & particularly on multiple charges until you have conclusive evidence to support the charges. In this case, there are some charges that can be substituted for alternative charges under the laws. You have to know the hand you are playing with or against before committing to play either way. Trials would be set and vacated, remanded or discontinued constantly for no reason with the numerous appearances just clogging courts up in the meantime. As it is, if your facing several charges from one incidence that require attendance in both magistrates and district court & you intend to plead not guilty to the more serious offence, the magistrate court charges will more often than not be held over until the higher court process has been completed. This may take up to 18mths and by the time you finally appear in Magistrates Court on the lesser charges, which are quite often discontinued anyway if your found not guilty in a higher court , you or your lawyers may have already appeared there 10 or more times for no reason. Its a crazy process and takes forever. Particularly when there are disputes from either side about something. It all has to be sorted out (as much as it can be) prior to any trial. Even in the most straightforward 3 day district court trials, where none of the checks and balances are necessary beforehand, the jury might be asked to leave the court room several times to enable the lawyers and judge to hash something out. Most times the jury haven't got a clue whats going on or why. They just leave, come back and it continues. All of this has to sorted out in advance in Supreme Court to enable a trial, that can be set down to be heard over months, to go ahead smoothly. I wouldnt be holding my breath in this case. Mandatory sentences if guilty, how would you plead!!
The penalty is doubled if you do not receive bail and are incarcerated for that time it takes to sort it out
 
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When you have something to contribute, bring it along. Because right now, along with fight club, you are only compounding the issue.

There is personalisation right through the thread. There has been a lack of quoting people. Of the material posted, there has been a lack of hyperlinks to what has in some cases been some cherry picking with distortion of comments.

Nothing objective or contributive, don't bother.
The bodies were placed...
 
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When you have something to contribute, bring it along. Because right now, along with fight club, you are only compounding the issue.

There is personalisation right through the thread. There has been a lack of quoting people. Of the material posted, there has been a lack of hyperlinks to what has in some cases been some cherry picking with distortion of comments.

Nothing objective or contributive, don't bother.
I'm contributing that in my opinion this thread is near impossible to wade through because of the incessant repeating of material previously posted, copy / pasting of large swathes of text and the general paranoia / cryptic messaging / accusations flying. Does that make sense or should I load it into a ******* map for you?
 

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Man, you are coming across as completely unhinged. Am trying to defend myself and explain why I have an issue with this thread. I only have the one profile. I'm sure the moderator will be here soon to tidy up.....again. And will be accused of covering up.....again.
I've been saying it for weeks . Atleast he's exposed himself not in the flasher sense
 
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