MRP / Trib. Tribunal Thread - rules and offences discombobulation

[NickFlips]

Amon's was a bit of a weird incident but given Rohan stayed off was always looking at a week.

Dougal's is just stupid. So many others have gotten off or just a fine for those and he gets a week why? Cos Harry dobbed on him to the teacher? Tripe.

 

[Wild Bill]

Is Howard the first to be suspended this year for a punch to the body though? There have been plenty of examples where a fine has been the result.

I thought Cunnington would get a week for this.



Not sure how you can grade the Howard one differently. Both a long way of the ball and both put the player on the ground. They are the same IMO.

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

Would be nice to be able to see all of the punches to the guts from this year, and the penalties that were given.

 

[Greasyrhys]

Neither suspension will hurt us this Saturday, but then again stupid vfl bias

 

[Chrizzt]

If Howard's was medium impact then I assume low impact is classed as sending slightly negative vibes to someone's direction?

What a little bitch Taylor is.

 

[PAFC27]

Both calls are incorrect. Gary Rohan is soft as butter and Harry Taylor is the boy who cried wolf. Unfortunately both play for Geelong.

Actually on seconds thoughts, both should be banished from all professional codes of sport.

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

I thought Cunnington would get a week for this.



Not sure how you can grade the Howard one differently. Both a long way of the ball and both put the player on the ground. They are the same IMO.

Although Cunnington's was not accidental, they can argue that it was because of how it happened. Just a block gone a tad wrong type thing.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Is this medium impact? Amon and McGovern were judged to be medium impact.

'Medium impact' my arse.

 

[TeeKray]

I thought contact away from the play was automatically intentional? RussellEbertHandball

 

[Kiss from a Rozee]

Amon only getting a week shows that they know it’s wrong.

I don’t think there is much to argue about with Dougal, really stupid thing to do. Taylor is absolutely a snitch though, compare that with almost every player in the competition refusing to say anything other than “I didn’t think there was much in it” no matter what is done to them. He was even lifting up his shirt and acting hurt for the cameras in the changerooms afterwards.

 

[Frank Hansen II]

Amon wont be able to successfully appeal it as Rohan went off and stayed off for the rest of the game.

Howard we should appeal have to argue it was low not medium impact as Taylor didn't have any affect on him.

With Amon I didn't think it was high when I was watching though, seems stiff.

 

[Boxx]

I would accept Amon and challenge Doug’s if it isn’t going to be turned into a 2 week suspension!

 

[Kiss from a Rozee]

You’d think Amon could challenge it by saying he literally didn’t see the guy and thought he was being sniped so protected himself.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I thought contact away from the play was automatically intentional? RussellEbertHandball

That's what Christian said in Mason Cox bump on Grimes case. As far as I know its not written in the definition of Intentional but is a discretionary interpretation the MRO makes. See

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/2019-Tribunal-Guidelines.pdf

Re the Cox case -
"We know you're allowed to bump within 5 metres of the ball. But when you elect to bump that far off the ball, it becomes intentional. "You can see Mason making ground here and taking three steps to make contact with Dylan, so we were certainly satisfied that it was an intentional action."

But Cox won his appeal.

 

[Brian McGee]

I thought Cunnington would get a week for this.



Not sure how you can grade the Howard one differently. Both a long way of the ball and both put the player on the ground. They are the same IMO.

This was definitely the one that came to mind. Having said that though I am happy for off the ball tummy punches like this to result in a game. It’s an unnecessary action that they should be trying to stamp out, as long as it is consistently adjudicated across the season.

 

[Windy Cindy]

I would accept Amon and challenge Doug’s if it isn’t going to be turned into a 2 week suspension!

i'd challenge dougals on the basis of every cheap hit that campaigner cunnington has laid this year and last and got off

even if the challenge falls there is no way it could be a 2 week incident

Cant they bring in precedence? i reckon plenty have got off from doing the same thing

well done harry the hall monitor

 

[Iwish]

Well if it helps win then take it.

The type of port i saw sat was the port i want to see. White line fever type we used to see back in 2001 -4 with players like carr pickett hardwick primus etc. Doing everything to win. Yes we are going to get occasional suspensions but we need to show the rest of the comp we mean business. I hope this is the turning point for the group.

 

[Boxx]

Yeah, I’m not sure why it says they can accept 1 match bans with an early plea... if they are getting a discount, why doesn’t the penalty get reduced?

 

[Grave Danger]

McGovern has the same look on his face as Hodge did when he rammed Wingard into the post - "Oh no, I'm going to unavoidably hurt this young fella - who put that post/fence in such a stupid place?!"

 

[LFC2010]

I'd 100% challenge the severity of the Howard grading.

Cunnington earlier in the season didn't get any weeks for his 2nd punch behind the play earlier in the season in Perth.

so sick of the inconsistency of the VFL MRO. Has to be challenged.

 

[Boxx]

That's what Christian said in Mason Cox bump on Grimes case. As far as I know its not written in the definition of Intentional but is a discretionary interpretation the MRO makes. See

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/2019-Tribunal-Guidelines.pdf

Re the Cox case -
"We know you're allowed to bump within 5 metres of the ball. But when you elect to bump that far off the ball, it becomes intentional. "You can see Mason making ground here and taking three steps to make contact with Dylan, so we were certainly satisfied that it was an intentional action."

But Cox won his appeal.

Trouble for Amon is it was graded as careless, so he can’t challenge that...

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Here are some strikes in the last few weeks that have been graded as Careless or Intentional and either low or medium and high/groin or body and those who can remember or have watched these incidents can comment.

Dougal can't change Intentnional or Body assessment but its downgrading it from Medium to Low that gets him to go from 1 game to a fine, as per the table in the OP.

Rd 13 - Link
Dale Thomas, Carlton, has been charged with Striking Josh Dunkley, Western Bulldogs, during the second quarter of Round 13 match between Carlton and the Western Bulldogs, played at Marvel Stadium on Saturday June 15.In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Careless Conduct with Low Impact and High Contact.

Kayne Turner, North Melbourne, has been charged with Striking Jeremy Cameron, GWS GIANTS, during the first quarter of the Round 13 match between North Melbourne and the GWS GIANTS, played at Blundstone Arena on Sunday June 16. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct with Low Impact and Body Contact.

Jarman Impey, Hawthorn, has been charged with Striking Zach Merrett, Essendon, during the first quarter of the Round 13 match between Essendon and Hawthorn, played at Marvel Stadium on Friday June 14. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Careless Conduct with Low Impact and High Contact.....

Rd 12 - Link
Jacob Townsend, Richmond, has been charged with Striking (Fixed Financial Sanction) Jordan Clark, Geelong Cats during the third quarter of Round 12 match between Richmond and the Geelong Cats, played at the MCG on Friday June 7. In summary he can accept a $1500 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Striking (Fixed Financial Sanction).......

Rd 11 - Link
Adam Treloar, Collingwood, has been charged with Striking (Fixed Financial Sanction) Reece Conca, Fremantle during the third quarter of Round 11 match between Collingwood and Fremantle, played at the MCG on Saturday June 1. In summary he can accept a $1500 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Striking (Fixed Financial Sanction)......

Tom Hawkins, Geelong Cats, has been charged with Striking Jordan Dawson, Sydney Swans, during the fourth quarter of Round 11 match between the Geelong Cats and Sydney Swans, played at GMHBA Stadium on Saturday June 1. In summary he can accept a $3000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Careless Conduct with Low Impact and High Contact......

James Sicily, Hawthorn, has been charged with Striking Lincoln McCarthy, Brisbane Lions, during the first quarter of Round 11 match between the Brisbane Lions and Hawthorn, played at The Gabba on Saturday June. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct with Low Impact and Body Contact........

Aaron Naughton, Western Bulldogs, has been charged with Striking Will Schofield, West Coast Eagles, during the fourth quarter of Round 11 match between the West Coast Eagles and the Western Bulldogs, played at Optus Stadium on Sunday June 2. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct with Low Impact and Body Contact. The incident was classified as a $3000 sanction as a first offence......

Rd 10 - Link
Gary Ablett, Geelong Cats, has been charged with Striking Anthony Miles, Gold Coast SUNS during the third quarter of the Round 10 match between the Gold Coast SUNS and the Geelong Cats, played at Metricon Stadium on Saturday May 25. In summary he can accept a one-match sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct with Low Impact and High Contact. The incident was classified as a one-match sanction.

Clayton Oliver, Melbourne, has been charged with Striking Brent Daniels, GWS GIANTS, during the fourth quarter of Round 10 match between Melbourne and the GWS GIANTS, played at the MCG on Sunday May 26. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct with Low Impact and Body Contact.......

Toby Greene, GWS GIANTS, has been charged with Striking Clayton Oliver, Melbourne, during the fourth quarter of Round 10 match between Melbourne and the GWS GIANTS, played at the MCG on Sunday May 26. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct with Low Impact and Body Contact.......

Luke Dunstan, St Kilda, has been charged with Striking Michael Gibbons, Carlton, during the fourth quarter of Round 10 match between St Kilda and Carlton, played at Marvel Stadium on Sunday May 26. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Careless Conduct with Low Impact and High Contact.....

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Trouble for Amon is it was graded as careless, so he can’t challenge that...

I'm not implying that at all. The question was asked about Intentional - which is what Dougal was assessed.

Amon they wont appeal.

 

[Janey]

I would accept Amon and challenge Doug’s if it isn’t going to be turned into a 2 week suspension!

I think an unsuccessful appeal just costs the club money now, doesn't change the length of the suspension.

 

[Janey]

Here are some strikes in the last few weeks that have been graded as Careless or Intentional and either low or medium and high/groin or body and those who can remember or have watched these incidents can comment.

Dougal can't change Intentnional or Body assessment but its downgrading it from Medium to Low that gets him to go from 1 game to a fine, as per the table in the OP.

Rd 13 - Link
Dale Thomas, Carlton, has been charged with Striking Josh Dunkley, Western Bulldogs, during the second quarter of Round 13 match between Carlton and the Western Bulldogs, played at Marvel Stadium on Saturday June 15.In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Careless Conduct with Low Impact and High Contact.

Kayne Turner, North Melbourne, has been charged with Striking Jeremy Cameron, GWS GIANTS, during the first quarter of the Round 13 match between North Melbourne and the GWS GIANTS, played at Blundstone Arena on Sunday June 16. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct with Low Impact and Body Contact.

Jarman Impey, Hawthorn, has been charged with Striking Zach Merrett, Essendon, during the first quarter of the Round 13 match between Essendon and Hawthorn, played at Marvel Stadium on Friday June 14. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Careless Conduct with Low Impact and High Contact.....

Rd 12 - Link
Jacob Townsend, Richmond, has been charged with Striking (Fixed Financial Sanction) Jordan Clark, Geelong Cats during the third quarter of Round 12 match between Richmond and the Geelong Cats, played at the MCG on Friday June 7. In summary he can accept a $1500 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Striking (Fixed Financial Sanction).......

Rd 11 - Link
Adam Treloar, Collingwood, has been charged with Striking (Fixed Financial Sanction) Reece Conca, Fremantle during the third quarter of Round 11 match between Collingwood and Fremantle, played at the MCG on Saturday June 1. In summary he can accept a $1500 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Striking (Fixed Financial Sanction)......

Tom Hawkins, Geelong Cats, has been charged with Striking Jordan Dawson, Sydney Swans, during the fourth quarter of Round 11 match between the Geelong Cats and Sydney Swans, played at GMHBA Stadium on Saturday June 1. In summary he can accept a $3000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Careless Conduct with Low Impact and High Contact......

James Sicily, Hawthorn, has been charged with Striking Lincoln McCarthy, Brisbane Lions, during the first quarter of Round 11 match between the Brisbane Lions and Hawthorn, played at The Gabba on Saturday June. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct with Low Impact and Body Contact........

Aaron Naughton, Western Bulldogs, has been charged with Striking Will Schofield, West Coast Eagles, during the fourth quarter of Round 11 match between the West Coast Eagles and the Western Bulldogs, played at Optus Stadium on Sunday June 2. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct with Low Impact and Body Contact. The incident was classified as a $3000 sanction as a first offence......

Rd 10 - Link
Gary Ablett, Geelong Cats, has been charged with Striking Anthony Miles, Gold Coast SUNS during the third quarter of the Round 10 match between the Gold Coast SUNS and the Geelong Cats, played at Metricon Stadium on Saturday May 25. In summary he can accept a one-match sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct with Low Impact and High Contact. The incident was classified as a one-match sanction.

Clayton Oliver, Melbourne, has been charged with Striking Brent Daniels, GWS GIANTS, during the fourth quarter of Round 10 match between Melbourne and the GWS GIANTS, played at the MCG on Sunday May 26. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct with Low Impact and Body Contact.......

Toby Greene, GWS GIANTS, has been charged with Striking Clayton Oliver, Melbourne, during the fourth quarter of Round 10 match between Melbourne and the GWS GIANTS, played at the MCG on Sunday May 26. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct with Low Impact and Body Contact.......

Luke Dunstan, St Kilda, has been charged with Striking Michael Gibbons, Carlton, during the fourth quarter of Round 10 match between St Kilda and Carlton, played at Marvel Stadium on Sunday May 26. In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea. Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Careless Conduct with Low Impact and High Contact.....

Looking at all those, I wouldn’t mind betting Dougal's would have been classed as low impact if Taylor hadn't carried on like a 2 year old about it.