Troy Pannell Corruption

[Greenfinger]

Except in true media fashion it's not what he said at all. The actual quote was:

"Adelaide ended up losing the game by 15 points, if you can believe it,"

"The Bulldogs won the flag that year. If the Bulldogs had not have won that game, they probably would have finished eighth, probably wouldn't have even advanced."

"Adelaide would have finished third on the ladder instead of fifth. We would have a double chance."

"It might have cost us a flag."

Which, given we always complain that our club doesn't whinge enough like Collingwood would, doesn't seem all that bad to me.

Sorry but it’s the same . Him going to that extrapolation meant the media narrative was on that . He should be savvy enough to know that last sentence was always going to detract from the actual issue

 

[1970crow]

Except in true media fashion it's not what he said at all. The actual quote was:

"Adelaide ended up losing the game by 15 points, if you can believe it,"

"The Bulldogs won the flag that year. If the Bulldogs had not have won that game, they probably would have finished eighth, probably wouldn't have even advanced."

"Adelaide would have finished third on the ladder instead of fifth. We would have a double chance."

"It might have cost us a flag."

Which, given we always complain that our club doesn't whinge enough like Collingwood would, doesn't seem all that bad to me.

Dogs finished 3 games ahead of 8th and won their first final away in Perth, not sure how he can claim those 4 points made any difference to them. We finish 4th, get beaten week 1 instead of 2 by Swans at SCG and then need to win an away prelim and GF to win the flag. With Thommo hobbling around but anchored as a permanent mid.

It almost certainly didn’t cost us a flag and had nothing to do with Dogs progression.

 

[beartoo]

Sorry but it’s the same . Him going to that extrapolation meant the media narrative was on that . He should be savvy enough to know that last sentence was always going to detract from the actual issue

No. Saying it might have cost us a flag is not the same as saying it did. It is a reasonable extrapolation. I'm no fan of Roo, but let's not kick the bloke when he's done nothing wrong.

 

[Greenfinger]

No. Saying it might have cost us a flag is not the same as saying it did. It is a reasonable extrapolation. I'm no fan of Roo, but let's not kick the bloke when he's done nothing wrong.

Disagree. Media was always going to sensationalise it. He needed to be more measured in his criticism and that’s always the problem with too. He has significant form in this

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

wow. so he has tried to un-alive himself?

Unfortunately the case for many of his types when they are finally caught out & don't want to be around to face the consequences.

... but gather he will survive the crash & be brought to account.

 

[radiojake]

No. Saying it might have cost us a flag is not the same as saying it did. It is a reasonable extrapolation. I'm no fan of Roo, but let's not kick the bloke when he's done nothing wrong.

Disagree. Media was always going to sensationalise it. He needed to be more measured in his criticism and that’s always the problem with too. He has significant form in this

yeah I agree with Greenfinger - Roo has been around long enough to know how the clickbait media works and the optics behind saying something like that will go

Literally last night I was at a gig and a mate of mine is a Dogs supporter and the Pannell thing came up - He admitted the whole thing sounds dodge but then goes 'but flipping Ricciuto saying it cost the Crows a flag is a bit rich' - it's the exact thing most people are going to think - He even brought up the 'right in front of me' meme that really follows the club sometimes

 

[BigLefty]

I heard this at the time. The very last bit about costing the flag was a bit of banter because Ditts was winding him up as he was talking about it the flow on from that game.

That's how I heard it anyway.

 

[footy4ever]

Roo showed how dumb he is in this whole thing. If he stopped at saying we were dudded in that particular game then everyone would have listened, but he had to say it cost us a premiership! Seriously, how stupid can you get? Yet another example that our director of football is not at all clever

Not once did I hear Roo say "it cost us a premiership". I heard him say "it might have" or "it possibly could have' or words very close to that. Did he really say it actually cost us a premiership?

EDIT - Aaaah I see this has been mentioned.

 

[footy4ever]

Sorry but it’s the same . Him going to that extrapolation meant the media narrative was on that . He should be savvy enough to know that last sentence was always going to detract from the actual issue

It's the same? No it isn't.

 

[tinman]

Got no doubt he was being paid to umpire that game favourably for the Dogs... but he was also screwing his employer for 100K per month!

Will Sportsbet do the right thing and provide a refund for losing bets on the game?

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Out of interest and because I was holed up in bed unwell, I watched the replay of that Bulldogs game. There were some blatant cheating calls in that game. Pannell was the main culprit but seemed like one of the other umps was also calling a few dodgy ones - not Jordan Bannister

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but the other umpire. Also some of the non free kicks to us were outrageous.

The commentators spent the second half commenting how one sided the umpiring had been - including BT - that’s how bias the umpiring was.

Strangely the one free kick Pannell played to us was Sloane in the goal square in the last quarter for a walk up goal due to front on contact. Was a pretty obvious free but was surprised Pannell paid it given the goings on for the rest of the match.

Edit: the other interesting element was that three or four of Pannell frees to the bulldogs was when he wasn’t the controlling umpire. Some doozies in that lot handing the bulldogs the clearance

 

[whattagun07]

Out of interest and because I was holed up in bed unwell, I watched the replay of that Bulldogs game. There were some blatant cheating calls in that game. Pannell was the main culprit but seemed like one of the other umps was also calling a few dodgy ones - not Jordan Bannister but the other umpire. Also some of the non free kicks to us were outrageous.

The commentators spent the second half commenting how one sided the umpiring had been - including BT - that’s how bias the umpiring was.

Strangely the one free kick Pannell played to us was Sloane in the goal square in the last quarter for a walk up goal due to front on contact. Was a pretty obvious free but was surprised Pannell paid it given the goings on for the rest of the match.

Edit: the other interesting element was that three or four of Pannell frees to the bulldogs was when he wasn’t the controlling umpire. Some doozies in that lot handing the bulldogs the clearance

what a piece of shit (allegedly)

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

what a piece of shit (allegedly)

Nothing alleged... it's a fact.

 

[John Who]

I guess the best thing that’s come out of it is that we have evidence now that there is corruption instead of highly educated guesses (that there is corruption).

 

[chicane]

Thanks for link, though the one you have placed (while providing interesting material) doesn't mention anything about the Alfred or a car crash (just in case there was a different one you intended to link)

Ah - original article was posted at 12:00pm on the 6th, the car crash happened that night (makes you wonder if in response to it). The article was revised on the 7th at 8:51am.

 

[chicane]

surprised Pannell paid it given the goings on for the rest of the match.

Troy probably realised he was being too obvious and threw us a bone.

 

[chicane]

In the Herald Sun today:

Missing AFL umpire Troy Pannell’s case fast tracked

Missing umpire Troy Pannell has had a fast tracked court hearing listed for Wednesday, just days after he was reportedly pursued by police before he had a car accident.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/missing-afl-umpire-troy-pannells-case-fast-tracked/news-story/b8d48339e9eeeb86e674afc9bbdaddce

Free / archive.md link: https://archive.md/mojrh

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Anyone able to read the full article?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/former-afl-umpire-troy-pannell-hit-with-new-charges/news-story/85dd9f228663a27788ea8cf68721d571

Karma has him rotting in a jail cell.

 

[jenny61_99]

Anyone able to read the full article?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/former-afl-umpire-troy-pannell-hit-with-new-charges/news-story/85dd9f228663a27788ea8cf68721d571

Karma has him rotting in a jail cell.

Troy Pannell, the former AFL umpire accused of a $8.7 million fraud, is facing new charges on an unrelated matter.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Troy Pannell, the former AFL umpire accused of a $8.7 million fraud, is facing new charges on an unrelated matter.

What is the unrelated matter?

Crimes against umpiring....

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

What is the unrelated matter?

Crimes against umpiring....

Theft and driving offences

Some query also over a horse that he sold, though it doesn't get into specifics

 

[cmndstab]

Mr Pannell was involved in an accident on the Daylesford and Malmsbury Road near Wheatsheaf on June 8.

His van ran off the road after he had failed to stop for Victoria Police, who were trying to enforce a warrant for his arrest for contempt of court.

Mr Pannell received treatment but was arrested by police on Sunday, June 15, for theft and driving offences.

Court documents from the SeaRoad case have also sought to find out why Mr Pannell sold a horse called Aimee’s Jewel to Maree Wilke, which had been valued at $450,000 by Inglis Insurance Brokers.

Mr Pannell’s former employer claimed in a civil case in Victoria’s Supreme Court that he had paid $8.7 million from SeaRoad Shipping’s accounts to a container repair supplier that he owned.

There were approximately 10,000 payments of about $800 each over more than a decade to the company, but allegedly no repair work was carried out.

This guy seems like a real winner.

 

[adelaidecrows]

This guy seems like a real winner.

People like that always see an opportunity for quick cash and always have. I think its very clear now the AFL should go back and have a massive look at the betting from the Crows v Dogs clash, there will almost be a certainty someone linked to Pannell placed a bet on that match, whether for Pannells own benefit or he got a cut. But it certainly warrants an investigation. Pannell didnt just wake up and decide on a whim to commit this crime. He would have done a lot prior which would easily overlap his afl umpiring career.

Look I know the AFL can really only offer an apology and frankly I wont be mad about that. But when a club cries a massive foul in the future like we did with Pannell , that something was offl, next time ****ing listen and open up an actual investigation instead of giving excuses. Pannel screwed us for financial gain, everyone knows it, everyne suspected it at the time too, but the excuses gifted absolutely gifted pannell an out.

It would be pretty easy to check for anomalies within his umpiring. by comparing his averages for the type of decision compared with that game. Was he consistent, did he pay the same free to both sides, was he 80% more likely to call a free for high and holding the ball to one side over the other etc, is he widely inconsistent of this was a widely 1 off game. This is the sort of mechanisms most professional sports use around the world to weed out corruption. I highly doubt the AFL use anything. But its well worth asking from a media perspective to gain an insight into actually what data do they track if any or do they just individually review each decision which may give them a decision by decision break down but do they compare it to career history etc.

 

[Coopers]

I guess the best thing that’s come out of it is that we have evidence now that there is corruption instead of highly educated guesses (that there is corruption).

Do we have any actual evidence? Like what can be proven?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Do we have any actual evidence? Like what can be proven?

What's certain is that there will be absolutely no investigation or inquiry whatsoever