Troy Taylor

[knightwheelrqr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw5iS6YXmZ8&feature=player_embedded

 

[knightwheelrqr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw5iS6YXmZ8&feature=player_embedded

His play from 1:50 is really impressive, love it how he stylistly picks up the ball in a Leon Davis like fashion.

Keep in mind he is 189cm. So for someone of his height he really can do some pretty incredible things! He has the ability to play key position forward, but I ultimately see him developing into more a tall half forward flanker who can really provide our forwardline with some great flexibility.

He is a player full of potential, I see him droping to pick 30 due to his average draft camp. I also expect when first drafted he will have some very ordinary games as well some extra ordinary games. The key with him will be to make him into someone who can consistantly become a handful for opposition defences which I can see him becoming at the right club. Will certainly take a few years but I think this kid can make it at Collingwood.


(Average per game) Kicks:8 Handballs:4 Marks:3 Disposals:12 Goals:1

Agile footballer with clean skills by both hand and foot. Second efforts, ball winning ability and marking are also features of his game. NT U18 representative in 2009. From South Alice Springs FC.


If we don't end up with Luke Ball I would be really keen to take a risk on Troy if available.

 

[collingwill]

excellent composure, nice leap, looks quick enough but his stats concern me, 1 goal per game and he doesnt get a lot of it either ? hmmm, he wont find it any easier in the AFL, do we know anymore about him ? whys he rated so highly as in a top 30 pick ?

 

[knightwheelrqr]

excellent composure, nice leap, looks quick enough but his stats concern me, 1 goal per game and he doesnt get a lot of it either ? hmmm, he wont find it any easier in the AFL, do we know anymore about him ? whys he rated so highly as in a top 30 pick ?

Some think he could go as high as the 1st round, for some time I thought so to simply because of his potential, but there is also the possibility that he could slip as far as the 3rd round.

He is probably more a top 40-50 guy in this draft in terms of current ability, but because of his attributes he is a top 2-3 in terms of potential. (So by no means an AFL ready product but one with good coaching that could become something special due to his evident physical attributes and natural footy skills and awareness which he just simply has, something that cannot be taught.)

He is someone who will get picked on potential, rather than being an AFL ready product. I would say the same about a guy like Jack Fitzpatrick or Sam Reid (Brother of Ben), although with Taylor there is the risk that he may not develop, which in my mind would be too great a risk for a team like for example Fremantle to take at pick 20 I would have thought.

To me he is a high risk, high reward type who could very well turn out in a few years time to be the best player in the draft, which at pick 30 is definately a risk I would take.

His stats are not big, but I would say that is because he was tried in a variety of positions. He only averaged 1 goal a game because he was also tried in defence for periods.

I don't expect Taylor to be a big time ball winner which will be a factor that could lessen his value somewhat, but what he does with the ball I consider to be quality, I see him as someone who might begin his career in a similiar way to Leon Davis in that some games he will be in the top 5 on ground, then the next hardly get a touch.

Just the difference I would say is that I can see Taylor developing that level of consistancy earlier in his career as opposed to Leon who probably introduced it when he was 26-27. I have tremendous faith that at Collingwood Taylor would reach his potential, just at a club like say Fremantle at pick 20 (who are reported as being interested) I think there would be a chance that he may not reach that potential. We have a great program for fast-tracking young tallent, and I think we could do the same with Taylor.

Taylor could very well bring a Steve Johnson type dimension to our forwardline, which I would put a high value on because it brings so much versatility, really great in my mind fit.

 

[TradeDraft]

excellent composure, nice leap, looks quick enough but his stats concern me, 1 goal per game and he doesnt get a lot of it either ? hmmm, he wont find it any easier in the AFL, do we know anymore about him ? whys he rated so highly as in a top 30 pick ?

Because of his Massive Potential he has and you just have to Watch the Video to see why.

I have read we are Intrested in Taylor but I would not be suprise if he gone before pick 30 because of it's a Weak Draft

 

[shizzle]

It's impossible for me to properly judge a player having never watched him play,but on what I saw there, I wasn't that impressed and don't really think he is the sort of player we need, sure he kicked a few goals, but his kicking in general play was pretty average and his stats certainly don't read as anything special.

 

[TradeDraft]

Some think he could go as high as the 1st round, for some time I thought so to simply because of his potential, but there is also the possibility that he could slip as far as the 3rd round.

He is probably more a top 40-50 guy in this draft in terms of current ability, but because of his attributes he is a top 2-3 in terms of potential. (So by no means an AFL ready product but one with good coaching that could become something special due to his evident physical attributes and natural footy skills and awareness which he just simply has, something that cannot be taught.)

He is someone who will get picked on potential, rather than being an AFL ready product. I would say the same about a guy like Jack Fitzpatrick or Sam Reid (Brother of Ben), although with Taylor there is the risk that he may not develop, which in my mind would be too great a risk for a team like for example Fremantle to take at pick 20 I would have thought.

To me he is a high risk, high reward type who could very well turn out in a few years time to be the best player in the draft, which at pick 30 is definately a risk I would take.

His stats are not big, but I would say that is because he was tried in a variety of positions. He only averaged 1 goal a game because he was also tried in defence for periods.

I don't expect Taylor to be a big time ball winner which will be a factor that could lessen his value somewhat, but what he does with the ball I consider to be quality, I see him as someone who might begin his career in a similiar way to Leon Davis in that some games he will be in the top 5 on ground, then the next hardly get a touch.

Just the difference I would say is that I can see Taylor developing that level of consistancy earlier in his career as opposed to Leon who probably introduced it when he was 26-27. I have tremendous faith that at Collingwood Taylor would reach his potential, just at a club like say Fremantle at pick 20 (who are reported as being interested) I think there would be a chance that he may not reach that potential. We have a great program for fast-tracking young tallent, and I think we could do the same with Taylor.

Taylor could very well bring a Steve Johnson type dimension to our forwardline, which I would put a high value on because it brings so much versatility, really great in my mind fit.

Agree with That and Great Write up about Taylor.

I have heard he has had Off-Field Problems too

Though his upside could be Fantastic and becomes a Gun or he could come a Chris Egan

 

[danielnajdek]

It's impossible for me to properly judge a player having never watched him play,but on what I saw there, I wasn't that impressed and don't really think he is the sort of player we need, sure he kicked a few goals, but his kicking in general play was pretty average and his stats certainly don't read as anything special.

Agree.I think we should go for a tall or midfielder with our first pick not a inconsistent forward pocket. I would still prefer Josh Thomas or even Griffiths or Carey. Of course Ball if Melbourne don't get him

 

[collingwill]

Because of his Massive Potential he has and you just have to Watch the Video to see why.

I have read we are Intrested in Taylor but I would not be suprise if he gone before pick 30 because of it's a Weak Draft

shit mate, over a year of footy all the kids in that grade would have some decent highlights, fact is he averages 12 touches and 1 goal per game in a much much lesser comp than the VFL/AFL, sure he looked good in doing it but i wouldnt spending pick 30 on him just from that video, id need to know a lot more, as in how strong was the team he played in, what are his off field issues, can he kick 50 mtrs ? howd he go in school ? stuff like that.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Agree with That and Great Write up about Taylor.

I have heard he has had Off-Field Problems too

Though his upside could be Fantastic and becomes a Gun or he could come a Chris Egan

Chris Egan was a different product to Taylor. Egan was a more AFL ready guy, he had potential, but not nearly to the extent Taylor does.

Taylor had a run in with the law in his younger days which involved hanging out with the wrong crowd. He had a year off footy, and went of the radar a bit, but from the AFL U18 champs well and truely got some attention. He is believed to have turned the corner and I don't think clubs are greatly worried about him in this regard. I don't see these off-field problems affecting him as has been the case with others. His parents were considered to have been concerned about him winding up at a WA club (because naturaly have heard about Ben Cousins and Daniel Kerr), hoping that he ends up at a Victorian club. I consider the people within the Collingwood Football Club to be good people and good influences, so he will have good influences down here he happens.

He is not a bad kid, some people like Brendan Fevola may never change, but Taylor I don't think will be a problem.

Ofcourse all the clubs will look into these things, seek out player histories, do personal profiling and things like that to check out what type of person he is.

 

[TradeDraft]

shit mate, over a year of footy all the kids in that grade would have some decent highlights, fact is he averages 12 touches and 1 goal per game in a much much lesser comp than the VFL/AFL, sure he looked good in doing it but i wouldnt spending pick 30 on him just from that video, id need to know a lot more, as in how strong was the team he played in, what are his off field issues, can he kick 50 mtrs ? howd he go in school ? stuff like that.

Fair Enough and True to a Point but in a Weak Draft you have to take a Risk and With our next pick after 30 being in the 60's then we can take a player that could be Top 5 Players in a Few Seasons.

We took Egan who had less Potential then Taylor in the Top 10

 

[collingwill]

Fair Enough and True to a Point but in a Weak Draft you have to take a Risk and With our next pick after 30 being in the 60's then we can take a player that could be Top 5 Players in a Few Seasons.

We took Egan who had less Potential then Taylor in the Top 10

im not saying he isnt impressive, the thing that caught my eye was his composure, that cant be taught, and they way he didnt celebrate as if to say he"s done it a million times before, he has a capital X factor and if he interviews well i doubt he"ll get to us, but if he does i think we"re in a position now where can take a bit of a punt on a player like him.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Agree.I think we should go for a tall or midfielder with our first pick not a inconsistent forward pocket. I would still prefer Josh Thomas or even Griffiths or Carey. Of course Ball if Melbourne don't get him

Taylor isn't a forward pocket. More a half forward flanker who can play full forward. At the U18 champs it is hard for a player like Taylor to dominate simply because the Northern Territory midfield is not the WA or SA midfield and up forward there are limited opportunities for him to collect the ball which explains why he had limited opportunities. He is actually a very good ball winner whether the ball is in the air or at ground level.

Josh Thomas is a still a very good pick, strikes me as a more ready made inside mid with good foot skills and the such. Probably more the "safe pick" at 30 in my view.

Taylor is more the high risk, high reward type. Just I think he will make it as opposed to Griffiths who if he slips I'm really not interested in, I can see him being a total bust. Could be productive in his first few years, but can't see him as a long term player who will develop.

Carey to me is someone who could be available at 62, he is a solid guy to pick, but can't see him being a guy we will look at as closely as Josh Thomas or others at pick 30.

 

[docker_champ29]

Sorry guys. no way he'll get past pick 20.

 

[collingwill]

Sorry guys. no way he'll get past pick 20.

are you guys officially keen ?

 

[TradeDraft]

Sorry guys. no way he'll get past pick 20.

Do you know this as a Fact or you just having a Guess?

 

[knightwheelrqr]

im not saying he isnt impressive, the thing that caught my eye was his composure, that cant be taught, and they way he didnt celebrate as if to say he"s done it a million times before, he has a capital X factor and if he interviews well i doubt he"ll get to us, but if he does i think we"re in a position now where can take a bit of a punt on a player like him.

I tend to agree.

For me the safe alternative at pick 30 is Josh Thomas who if it is deemed that no one special or a notable slider is available at pick 30 he is likely to be the guy we select.

Troy Taylor who is a good chance to be taken at pick 30 simply has so much potential that you have to give him a chance in the way that you would give Temel or Daw a chance if available when the rookie draft comes around.

Taylor has all the attributes to make it, and I think he has the right attitude and commitment to also make it. In the last 12 months or so he has really turned himself around.

We have many good youngsters comming through already of around the same age bracket, if we can find someone at pick 30 who could turn out to be one of the best in what is considered by some to be an average draft I would be very happy. Selecting a guy like Taylor really increases our premiership chances which ultimately every team is all about.

Then if we can get maybe Alex Carey at pick 62, then we have ourselves a potential star, and a solid ready made guy that can contribute right away as well as one of the competitions best ruckman in Darren Jolly. If our offseason works out like that I expect we would be very pleased!
To me it is having that combiation between players with potential, ready made players as well as players that can give the team a different edge that no other player can give that we should be looking for.

Derek Hine is one of the best recruiters and if he picks Taylor I would trust that choice also. We also have a first rate development program for the younger players, and I believe that we can bring the best out of any player, and Troy Taylor's best will be special.

To me Taylor would give us that something different that may just make us a true premiership threat which ultimately we all want.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Sorry guys. no way he'll get past pick 20.

I know Fremantle are keen, but I see him sliping because at pick 20 there are simply better players available.

Right now I would consider your priorities to be in collecting a new long term ruck prospect to be able to take over for Sandilands in a couple of years which makes me think that you will select Jack Fitzpatrick. The other glaring need is a key position forward, which at that pick you may be able to get with a guy like Panos or Griffiths at pick 20.

You will go with Morabito at pick 4 no doubt, just at pick 20 it would be illogical to take a risk on an unproven guy like Taylor at 20 who is neither key position or a ruckman, when you have glaring needs to fill as well as much better players available at your pick.

Pick 20 will be one of: Fitzpatrick, Griffiths, Panos and Taylor. Taylor is a possibility, just probably not your best... at pick 20...

 

[collingwill]

I tend to agree.

For me the safe alternative at pick 30 is Josh Thomas who if it is deemed that no one special or a notable slider is available at pick 30 he is likely to be the guy we select.

Troy Taylor who is a good chance to be taken at pick 30 simply has so much potential that you have to give him a chance in the way that you would give Temel or Daw a chance if available when the rookie draft comes around.

Taylor has all the attributes to make it, and I think he has the right attitude and commitment to also make it. In the last 12 months or so he has really turned himself around.

We have many good youngsters comming through already of around the same age bracket, if we can find someone at pick 30 who could turn out to be one of the best in what is considered by some to be an average draft I would be very happy. Selecting a guy like Taylor really increases our premiership chances which ultimately every team is all about.

Then if we can get maybe Alex Carey at pick 62, then we have ourselves a potential star, and a solid ready made guy that can contribute right away as well as one of the competitions best ruckman in Darren Jolly. If our offseason works out like that I expect we would be very pleased!
To me it is having that combiation between players with potential, ready made players as well as players that can give the team a different edge that no other player can give that we should be looking for.

Derek Hine is one of the best recruiters and if he picks Taylor I would trust that choice also. We also have a first rate development program for the younger players, and I believe that we can bring the best out of any player, and Troy Taylor's best will be special.

To me Taylor would give us that something different that may just make us a true premiership threat which ultimately we all want.

we do need another excitment machine as leons getting old now and BT will need a new love child lol.

do you know what his off field issues were ? and can he kick 50 mtrs ? by the look of the video he looked to have a failry shallow roost on him, could be the humidity as well though, also stats can be misleading, he may have had an ordinary 1st half to the season and then improved in the latter half, do you know if he had any match winning games ?

 

[knightwheelrqr]

we do need another excitment machine as leons getting old now and BT will need a new love child lol.

do you know what his off field issues were ? and can he kick 50 mtrs ? by the look of the video he looked to have a failry shallow roost on him, could be the humidity as well though.

His max kicking range at current would be around 45-50m, it is something that can be developed over the duration of his career. He should be able to build to 55m within a few years I would expect.

Ben Reid (pick 8) when first drafted could only kick 40-45m, Rusling from memory was pretty similiar. So I would not be too worried.

 

[King Woodie]

I don't mind the look of him, but I don't think he will help us out next year. I would prefer Luke Ball to him if available at 30.

Also, he seems to be another mid sized player, which we don't really need. We have Anthony, Rusling, Macaffer, even Cox who can play medium forward. We seem to have a number of medium forwards and medium backs, but sometimes lack in the bigger stuff.

But if Hine says pulls the trigger, I will get on board the Troy Train.

 

[TradeDraft]

I don't mind the look of him, but I don't think he will help us out next year. I would prefer Luke Ball to him if available at 30.

Also, he seems to be another mid sized player, which we don't really need. We have Anthony, Rusling, Macaffer, even Cox who can play medium forward. We seem to have a number of medium forwards and medium backs, but sometimes lack in the bigger stuff.

But if Hine says pulls the trigger, I will get on board the Troy Train.

Well with Cox,Rusling and MaCaffer are not 100% to make it so would not hurt to get Taylor.


I think Ball is the Number 1 Target for Pick 30

 

[knightwheelrqr]

I don't mind the look of him, but I don't think he will help us out next year. I would prefer Luke Ball to him if available at 30.

Also, he seems to be another mid sized player, which we don't really need. We have Anthony, Rusling, Macaffer, even Cox who can play medium forward. We seem to have a number of medium forwards and medium backs, but sometimes lack in the bigger stuff.

But if Hine says pulls the trigger, I will get on board the Troy Train.

Luke Ball if in the national draft and available at pick 30 would be the definate choice. Fits our perfectly helping us with our stopages and adds experience to a young and developing midfield.

Anthony and Rusling are more key position forwards rather than medium forwards. Cox is at U18s was a forward but has been transformed into a running backman. Macaffer is probably the only similiar player, I think the club are trying to make him into a spare parts utility who can play almost a Tarkyn Lockyer type role where he just plays wherever the team needs him rather than as a perminant forward role (which I have to say I like him in becaue his accuracy at goal is excellent).

Troy Taylor is more like adding a Steve Johnson type to the side, in that he is more the 185-189cm 3rd tall size. Rather than a small who plays bigger (Paul Medhurst).

Personally I would say our deficiencies are: Inside mid, medium forward/3rd tall forward, small back, outside mid and tagger.

We really don't have any players of a similiar mold which makes me think he very well could break into the side.

 

[collingwill]

Luke Ball if in the national draft and available at pick 30 would be the definate choice. Fits our perfectly helping us with our stopages and adds experience to a young and developing midfield.

Anthony and Rusling are more key position forwards rather than medium forwards. Cox is at U18s was a forward but has been transformed into a running backman. Macaffer is probably the only similiar player, I think the club are trying to make him into a spare parts utility who can play almost a Tarkyn Lockyer type role where he just plays wherever the team needs him rather than as a perminant forward role (which I have to say I like him in becaue his accuracy at goal is excellent).

Troy Taylor is more like adding a Steve Johnson type to the side, in that he is more the 185-189cm 3rd tall size. Rather than a small who plays bigger (Paul Medhurst).

Personally I would say our deficiencies are: Inside mid, medium forward/3rd tall forward, small back, outside mid and tagger.

We really don't have any players of a similiar mold which makes me think he very well could break into the side.

he probably hasnt stopped growing yet either, he could end up being around 192/93, nice leap and longish arms and a nice build as well, he"ll be a semi key forward/ flanker IMO, if he turns out.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

he probably hasnt stopped growing yet either, he could end up being around 192/93, nice leap and longish arms and a nice build as well, he"ll be a semi key forward/ flanker IMO, if he turns out.

Won't grow too much more. Depending on sources 188/189cm.
Will end up around 190cm.
Which is ideal as:
O'Keefe 188cm and Steve Johnson 189cm
Taylor has all the attributes to do everything. Can do anything your Daniel Motlop can and also play tall, so he could be a nightmare to matchup once he develops being able to push deeper on smalls and play further up the ground against talls.
Really shaping to be an interesting prospect.