Troy Taylor

[Bazzar]

I keep wondering each year if we are going to go into the dreamtime game without any indigenous players in the 22

Edwards will always get a gig.

 

[Cutty]

it's all good tugga

 

[Rustof]

I reckon we should pump as many games into his as possible. Look how much Astbury has developed from only 17 games.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

I reckon we should pump as many games into his as possible. Look how much Astbury has developed from only 17 games.

Agree though i would drop him every couple of weeks unless his going well that way he should go back and dominate.

Also i feel we shouldnt play griffiths much next year,ease him into it.

 

[Bazzar]

Also i feel we shouldnt play griffiths much next year,ease him into it.

Camerons interview when talkiing about picking up Miller, hinted at that. It came across his shoulder isnt good and wont play much this year.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Ize and Spluff summed it up best.

The club will give him time.

Sure he mightn't make it, but if he doesn't - they'll give him every chance to. That doesn't involve cutting him in the next 2 seasons.

There's reasons a lot of draft watchers got very excited about TT in 2009 - and reasons why recruiters/draft watchers had big concerns. This thread has picked up on both.

It all comes down to TT - and the club - as to how they handle it.

I hope it's a success - because if he gets it together - we'll have a gun on our hands.

 

[Bazzar]

There's reasons a lot of draft watchers got very excited about TT in 2009 - and reasons why recruiters/draft watchers had big concerns. This thread has picked up on both.

Hit it in one. GC and the Pies were very keen. but got cold feet come draft time. Someone here had a dig at me bagging him, yet had a go at my love of King. Well Taylor has triple the ability of Jake, but Kingie has 10 times the want and need to extract 110% out of that limited ability. If Troy had his resolve, he could no doubt be elite with the natural ability he has.

 

[shububu]

Camerons interview when talkiing about picking up Miller, hinted at that. It came across his shoulder isnt good and wont play much this year.

i know its the Taylor thread..but

Was picking up Griff an even bigger risk than Taylor? What is the latest on him...does anyone know some accurate info on him?

 

[santa claws]

Mark Burgan compared him to Micky O last year round the time he was drafted, remember it well.

The kid has a lot of work to do, and i still have massive doubts that our club has the ability to get the most out of him - time will tell if the DH era can do something richmond has failed to do in the past 20 years...develop and stablize and aboriginal player

Krakour ( a player that wallace on the trade broadcast basically said needed to go to prison before being able to concentrate to make himself an elite athlete )

Marty McGrath

Carl Peterson ( despite his recent AWOL HFC performance, he still managed to look more a part of their club in one season than he ever did at RFC )

Richard Tambling ( an amazing individual who is currently in Sri Lanka helping charity - but still failed to be able to settle enough to call RFC home )

Jarryd Oakley Nicholas ( went to WCE and within a month they had diagnosed him with a learning disorder )

Ashley Blurton

Justin Murphy (became a very professional and reliable player for carlton - but was nothing more than a flash in the pan for the tigers )

Wally Lovett

Steve Jackson

Lionel Proctor

Michael Mitchell ( in his few years he was amazing - but the club ultimately failed. he was not happy at Richmond, we did not get the most out of this amazingly talented individual )

Allroy Gilligan -

Relton Roberts - didn't even look close

The list of aboriginal players to don the yellow and black that have failed to develop, keep happy, and feel like they belong at Richmond is a long and damning list - its hard to ignore.

For us to get the most out of Troy Taylor, we are going to have to reverse and 20 year trend with a nearly 100% failure rate ( maurice exlcuded ) of us not being able to get the most out of this very raw, but extremely talented individuals.

In many ways, this is the clubs ultimate test to see how much we have grown and "turned a new leaf"

RFC might as well be death Valley for a young Aboriginal players career - harsh but very true.

or perhaps the real crux of the matter is the majority just werent good enough
krakouer - bloody hell gifted 100 games he failed because of size pace skill and fitness issues. his attitude was such he didnt work on any o0f these things. the mistake was we persevered for so long.

murphy - yep he did play some good footy at carlton it was a mistake to let him go. after all we had him just two yrs he was doing his early apprenticeship of course he was going to be inconsistent.

mcgrath - most overrated aborignal we have ever had and again the attitude just plain lazy and after all hes the one who had to do the work you can only lead him to the well.

peterson - lol hawthorn just wasted a yr on him. he lasted how long with them before the threat of delisting reared again.
again attitude it seems a lot of aboriginals just think you can rock up and play with out the hard work.

tambling - imo a case of far to many overrating this bloke. sheesh 100 games of mostly ordinariness. persevered with when he had to be dropped even went to the extent of hynotherapy to get the best out of him.
yep the rfc did nothing for him. i wonder at what stage does does the resposibility become the players to get the best out of themselves.

j-o-n - still on a rookie list i believe and imo still looking ordinary. and ya know kids go right thru school yrs with hearing reading seeing difficulties and the problem never gets spotted. they are very good at hiding it.
were we negligent or was wce just lucky id say the latter. but hearing or not jons football was appalling at our club.

lovett jackson proctor the simple fact is they were ordinary players

mitchell - well at least you admit he played some decent footy with us. my understanding of his career is he retired because of knocks to his head no other reason. ended up with helmet and was getting concussed every other week. but yep lets blame the club for that as well.

collard - one you never mentioned lasted just one yr on freos list was given a lifeline and lasted a yt with us. attitude or development.

last yr roberts was a risk so was taylor for obvious reasons. roberts was over looked by all other clubs for 5 yrs because they felt he did not have the attitude and there was a good chance this would not change. the other clubs were right but because its richmond its poor development.


taylor slipped to us despite his talent for a reason there is risk with these types its been shown not just at richmond but other clubs that it is very hard to turn these types around.if he fails it wont be from lack of effort and support from the rfc but the players attitude.

gilligan - was rookie listed he was on a rookie list for a reason he was overlooked by everyone until the rookie draft. the fail rate of all rookies is very high. is it really a surprise that he did not make it.
not good enough or lack of development.

i wont go on you get my gist. all i will say is sometimes it is easy to blame the club for all that goes wrong. sometimes they may be at fault but not all the time.

 

[jihg]

Hit it in one. GC and the Pies were very keen. but got cold feet come draft time. Someone here had a dig at me bagging him, yet had a go at my love of King. Well Taylor has triple the ability of Jake, but Kingie has 10 times the want and need to extract 110% out of that limited ability. If Troy had his resolve, he could no doubt be elite with the natural ability he has.

GC wanted him Collingwood talked him into the draft. Collingwood after trade week had pick 30(Ball) and the pick 62 which they would have used on Taylor if he was still avaliable. My understanding is that if Ball had gone prior to pick 30 they would have used that to get Taylor. It is wrong to claim cold feet from those two particular clubs caused him to slide also I beieve North were also planning on taking him with pick 53.

 

[THE_GUN]

we got a bmw for the price of a holden but theres a little computer glitch !

but our local mechanic might be able to fix it, if he does i think we should keep the beemer such a classy car & looks fantastic

everybody will be envious.

 

[Spluff]

Was picking up Griff an even bigger risk than Taylor? What is the latest on him...does anyone know some accurate info on him?

IMO, the Predator was a bigger risk. Griffiths was an early pick when there were a lot of sure bet AFL players still there, but we chose to take the punt on the man with the straw skeletal system.

Taylor, on the other handm was picked up very late where most of the players are going to fail anyway, may as well take the punt on the kid with the upside. Both have massive potential and a big chance of not making it at AFL level, but we paid a lot for the Predator, and very little for Taylor.

 

[shububu]

IMO, the Predator was a bigger risk. Griffiths was an early pick when there were a lot of sure bet AFL players still there, but we chose to take the punt on the man with the straw skeletal system.

Im no expert on the medical side of things so will he always have bad shoulders with every year the worry of them ending his season, or is the surgery he had going to fix it?

 

[MightyTiger]

Im no expert on the medical side of things so will he always have bad shoulders with every year the worry of them ending his season, or is the surgery he had going to fix it?

Surgery and strengthening of his shoulders is all he needs, I think people are making his injuries out worse then what they really are.

The club has been very smart in the way they are doing things in regards to injuries to certain players and wrapping them up in cotton wool.

Foley could of played more during the year but the club got his surgery in early and wrapped him up in cotton wool.

Griffiths popped his good shoulder out, didn't look like anything bad could of probably played again if they thought we needed him but wrapped him up in cotton wool got his surgery in early and should be cherry ripe for Round 1 2011.

IMO it has been smart management by the club this year was a nothing year in terms of wins and losses we were never going to play finals so if a player went down injured put him away for the year and play another kid in his spot.

 

[richmondkickass2]

I am looking to see more of Troy Taylor next year. He looks like a very exciting young player.
We need to have in our side for the majority of the year.

 

[Slattery_20]

The kid has a lot of work to do, and i still have massive doubts that our club has the ability to get the most out of him - time will tell if the DH era can do something richmond has failed to do in the past 20 years...develop and stablize and aboriginal player
...
In many ways, this is the clubs ultimate test to see how much we have grown and "turned a new leaf"

RFC might as well be death Valley for a young Aboriginal players career - harsh but very true.

I had this discussion with someone else, some other forum.
They made the point that you could also group it along a lot of different lines - did you develop, stabilise, and get the best out of Polak, Polo, Rodan, Schulz???
Is it Western Australians, guys from Slav backgrounds, kids from the country, guys with injuries, talls???
All talented, all had off-field distractions, all under-achieved.
It's not like the other guys were/are doing particularly well in terms of development.
I'd suggest the whole club's failings haven't necessarily had more of an impact on any one group of players.
Maybe comes down to off-field stability (pre -00s) and trying to run a footy dept through 2 or 3 people (post-00s/TW era).

 

[Bazzar]

Im definitely in the minority when it comes to Troy. Heaps of natural talent and freakish at times, but just to lazy in his approach. Obviously a make or break year, but I for one don’t see him being with us next year (2012)

And didnt i cop it for saying this.

 

[Barnzy]

"Look at me, look at me".

Congratulations. I'm sure you're happy.

 

[Bazzar]

"Look at me, look at me".

Congratulations. I'm sure you're happy.

Typical from you.

No its not look at me, but if people want to bag the shit out of me for having this exact opinion and call me all sorts of names then im entitled to have a come back.

 

[Barnzy]

Typical from you.

No its not look at me, but if people want to bag the shit out of me for having this exact opinion and call me all sorts of names then im entitled to have a come back.

Dunno about others but I only replied to you for calling him a dud after a few games as it was way too early to tell. Also for saying it would be a make or break year next year for him when clearly it wouldn't be because he was/is a long-term project type player. I even said "only if he gets in trouble off the field again".

As for others meh they were probably just sticking up for a new player. It was pretty impossible to call on his attitude towards his footy unless you knew him personally. So you lucked out on a prediction now you're bumping a thread saying "look at me, look at me".

 

[Bazzar]

Show me where i said he was a dud? I questioned his disposal and decision making, but said on countless times he has freakish ability. I questioned hie mental aptitude, and whilst its still to early to focast the outcome, it appears to be his downfall.

 

[Barnzy]

Please, you went around in multiple threads calling Taylor a dud. You know you did. I also remember a quote from you "Taylor is close to the biggest dud we have on our list imo" or something along those lines. It was in the best 22 prediction threads. Don't try to backpedal now. You clearly had something against the kid.

 

[Bazzar]

I also remember a quote from you "Taylor is close to the biggest dud we have on our list imo" or something along those lines.

Find it instead of making accusations.

Having said that you are right i dont rate him (because of attitude issues) But how is that different to the hatred for certain players that you have?

 

[Barnzy]

Find it instead of making accusations.

Having said that you are right i dont rate him (because of attitude issues) But how is that different to the hatred for certain players that you have?

I clearly remember you saying "Taylor is close to the biggest dud on our list". I'm sure you've already deleted it though. I know you remember posting it.

Regardless, it's no different we're just establishing your dislike for him.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

Wow, just wow, once again we have a player about to walk out on our club and this board goes into melt down, those that want Taylor gone ASAP for not wanting to play footy with the mighty Richmond Footy club and those who love to stand on their soap box and preach how bad our supporters are

I'm extremely disappointed with troys decision and was pretty angry yesterday, but at the end of the day its the kids decision if he wants to continue or not. Wish I had his talent and was his age though.

My concern is about the club, a new era and new outlook every thing is positive but we still have players wanting out. Why? I thought we were all now on the same page wanting and striving for success. Martin,Cotchin, Deledio & JR? Didnt they come out over the past few months talking about how all the boys are super confident we can turn it around?

Is our club doing enough with our player development or are we still 10 years behind the rest of the competition? Very concerning times, I fear the worst, these next few years will make or break our club, if we cant get it right, I'll be dead before we see any success.