Trump handling of Covid 19

[Mcarcherey]

You’ve misunderstood the word literally. And NZ is performing objectively better in managing this pandemic.

no.

Police have the same powers here atm.

Good thing Australia isn't hey...

i wasn't comparing them to Australia though. it was the fact that someone said NZ is a good example of democracy, they're far from it.

FFS they go around to people's houses if they make nasty comments on twitter about the government, thought police much.

 

[Val Keating]

Yesterday America passed a law that the FBI can preform warrantless surveillance on anyone’s web browsing history.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

FFS they go around to people's houses if they make nasty comments on twitter about the government, thought police much.

Huh?

 

[Val Keating]

no.

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i wasn't comparing them to Australia though. it was the fact that someone said NZ is a good example of democracy, they're far from it.

FFS they go around to people's houses if they make nasty comments on twitter about the government, thought police much.

New Zealand is 4th mate

Democracy Index - Wikipedia

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Democracy Index 2020

Democracy was dealt a major blow in 2020. Almost 70% of countries covered by The Economist Intelligence Unit’s Democracy Index recorded a decline in their overall score, as country after country locked down to protect lives from a novel coronavirus. The global average score fell to its lowest...

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[Val Keating]

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[KiwiRoo]

no.

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i wasn't comparing them to Australia though. it was the fact that someone said NZ is a good example of democracy, they're far from it.

FFS they go around to people's houses if they make nasty comments on twitter about the government, thought police much.

be useful if you could provide some examples ? cant say I've seen or heard of much along those lines. There was a case a couple of years ago of an author who got raided by the police after he wrote a book about Dirty Politics which featured hacked information(private emails etc). The police were supposedly tracing how the information was obtained. The Author received an official apology and compensation.
There was also a case here where an anti terrorist sweep was performed on a Maori Activist group in the Urewera's. They also got an apology and compensation, though judging by the photos and other evidence they were lucky.

Sounds pretty ridiculous to me considering how much is said through both Social and Official media attacking the government. I've no doubt that intelligence sources monitor whats been said, but after what happened in Christchurch I don't have a problem with that

 

[KiwiRoo]

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Just missed the podium...again !

 

[Mcarcherey]

New Zealand is 4th mate

Democracy Index - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Democracy Index 2020

Democracy was dealt a major blow in 2020. Almost 70% of countries covered by The Economist Intelligence Unit’s Democracy Index recorded a decline in their overall score, as country after country locked down to protect lives from a novel coronavirus. The global average score fell to its lowest...

www.eiu.com

so they're not first....

be useful if you could provide some examples ? cant say I've seen or heard of much along those lines. There was a case a couple of years ago of an author who got raided by the police after he wrote a book about Dirty Politics which featured hacked information(private emails etc). The police were supposedly tracing how the information was obtained. The Author received an official apology and compensation.
There was also a case here where an anti terrorist sweep was performed on a Maori Activist group in the Urewera's. They also got an apology and compensation, though judging by the photos and other evidence they were lucky.

Sounds pretty ridiculous to me considering how much is said through both Social and Official media attacking the government. I've no doubt that intelligence sources monitor whats been said, but after what happened in Christchurch I don't have a problem with that

"but after what happened in Christchurch I don't have a problem with that"

i bet you love the saying "if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to worry about"

Huh?

 

[Val Keating]

so they're not first....



"but after what happened in Christchurch I don't have a problem with that"

i bet you love the saying "if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to worry about"

I never stated that they were first.

 

[sbdan]

so they're not first....



"but after what happened in Christchurch I don't have a problem with that"

i bet you love the saying "if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to worry about"

In the first example, the police were invited onto the property. That guy filming was being a smart @ss, youtube hero. Not quite a police state there.

 

[Val Keating]

so they're not first....



"but after what happened in Christchurch I don't have a problem with that"

i bet you love the saying "if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to worry about"

And why were the police there? The people were obviously identified as possible threats. Were they connected to the terrorist shooter? Online or otherwise? Did they make threats of violence on social media?

 

[DesertRoo]

New Zealand is 4th mate

Democracy Index - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Democracy Index 2020

Democracy was dealt a major blow in 2020. Almost 70% of countries covered by The Economist Intelligence Unit’s Democracy Index recorded a decline in their overall score, as country after country locked down to protect lives from a novel coronavirus. The global average score fell to its lowest...

www.eiu.com

Love the fact Australia scores ten’s in elections and civil liberties but less in functioning government and political participation, considering we have to vote and how many prime ministers we’ve had in the last decade, it’s a fair cop.

 

[Val Keating]

In the first example, the police were invited onto the property. That guy filming was being a smart @ss, youtube hero. Not quite a police state there.

Yeah lol. That was the most polite I’ve ever heard an officer speak to someone they wanted to interview.

 

[Val Keating]

Love the fact Australia scores ten’s in elections and civil liberties but less in functioning government and political participation, considering we have to vote and how many prime ministers we’ve had in the last decade, it’s a fair cop.

We’ve got it pretty good.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

so they're not first....



"but after what happened in Christchurch I don't have a problem with that"

i bet you love the saying "if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to worry about"

Apply some of that critical thinking to yourself when taking some you tubers at their word.

 

[DesertRoo]

Honestly lol at this convo..
In the last couple of years we’ve had a senator egged and someone got a relative slap on the wrist for head butting a former PM. And in all practical terms NZ has the same freedoms we enjoy.

I wonder what would happen if someone head butted say George Bush?

 

[Val Keating]

Honestly lol at this convo..
In the last couple of years we’ve had a senator egged and someone got a relative slap on the wrist for head butting a former PM. And in all practical terms NZ has the same freedoms we enjoy.

I wonder what would happen if someone head butted say George Bush?

Don’t ex presidents still get secret service detail? They’d probably get shot over there. In China half your family would disappear

 

[sbdan]

Yeah lol. That was the most polite I’ve ever heard an officer speak to someone they wanted to interview.

The second video was worse! Ravings of a racist nut job. The accent seemed to be an immigrant to NZ trying decide who should be able to live in NZ too.

 

[DesertRoo]

Yeah lol. That was the most polite I’ve ever heard an officer speak to someone they wanted to interview.

Would’ve been pulled out of bed at 4am and paraded around in his underwear to awaiting media in OZ, if it was terrorist related.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

He sooked up. They asked when was a better time to come back and chat.

POLICE OPPRESSION. LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE.

We’ve got a few of these types in Australia. Imagine they experienced genuine oppression or brutality.

 

[sbdan]

Yesterday America passed a law that the FBI can preform warrantless surveillance on anyone’s web browsing history.

We've got to assume that everything that is out there is tracked, or will be tracked. Internet, bank accounts, GPS movements. The only way out of it is to lose the smart phone, go offline, use cash only, don't put your name on any mortgages or rental leases, don't register the car.

If you are a person of interest, law enforcement can track all that now.

That's why I don't get the aversion to the COVID app. If you have a smart phone, you are already tracked, and in far greater detail than the app will be able to do.

 

[DesertRoo]

He sooked up. They asked when was a better time to come back and chat.

POLICE OPPRESSION. LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE.

We’ve got a few of these types in Australia. Imagine they experienced genuine oppression or brutality.

Good example of oppression...

Uzbekistan: Torture Widespread, Routine

Uzbekistan should carry out the United Nations Committee Against Torture’s recommendations to end the “widespread, routine torture and ill-treatment” in the country, Human Rights Watch said today.

www.hrw.org

 

[Val Keating]

We've got to assume that everything that is out there is tracked, or will be tracked. Internet, bank accounts, GPS movements. The only way out of it is to lose the smart phone, go offline, use cash only, don't put your name on any mortgages or rental leases, don't register the car.

If you are a person of interest, law enforcement can track all that now.

Yeah but without a warrant they can monitor anyone and use it against them. That’s Chinese Communist type monitoring.

 

[DesertRoo]

Yeah but without a warrant they can monitor anyone and use it against them. That’s Chinese Communist type monitoring.

I’ve got a feeling it’s not related to specific individual but rather an on going case.

I believe they get plus three steps when they get a surveillance warrant. Which means if someone at your organisation gets tapped, you’re one step, your family is number two and any of their connections is number three..

So now think of it in terms of getting a fisa warrant on say gen. Flynn.

Oh and I thought it was a house bill blocked in the senate..

 

[Val Keating]

Actually the bill was to make it so the FBI needed a warrant but it was squashed.