Tuck has to go

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Without Tuck we would lose one of the only edges we have over our opponent - the clearances - and if we don't get the ball out to start, we're going to have a lot of trouble getting it back.

Foley's work in the clearances won't stand up nearly as well without Tuck there to lead the way. With him gone we will start getting flogged by 60+ points every match.
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Maybe take him out of the midfield in the future but do not delist Tuck. Is a strong mark and a good shot for goal. Has more courage than most at our club and would also make a good half back or back pocket.

I'd love to see him take Rains position and get some game time into Connors , Collins and Edwards on the ball.

Connors should be in the middle. Should of been consistanly played there for 2 years now but Wallace has a problem with playing youth.

Andy Collins is so clean in the clintches but needs to spend more time on the ball to adapt to the pace of AFL. Edwards has ability also but lacks height.

Tuck is a required player.
only problem with connors in the middle is he is not fit enough.
 

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Without Tuck we would lose one of the only edges we have over our opponent - the clearances - and if we don't get the ball out to start, we're going to have a lot of trouble getting it back.

Foley's work in the clearances won't stand up nearly as well without Tuck there to lead the way. With him gone we will start getting flogged by 60+ points every match.
Very true Spluff, this comment from MT ranks right up there with his 'Newman and Raines to midfield' ideas from last year.

I'd love to see him take Rains position and get some game time into Connors , Collins and Edwards on the ball.

Connors should be in the middle. Should of been consistanly played there for 2 years now but Wallace has a problem with playing youth.

Andy Collins is so clean in the clintches but needs to spend more time on the ball to adapt to the pace of AFL. Edwards has ability also but lacks height.
Connors and Edwards can't get anywhere near enough ball playing far easier roles and are still half a game players in those roles at best, and when you take away the possessions Tuck had last night where he was under the utmost pressure, he used the ball better than Collins - who was indecisive, had numerous poor disposals under no pressure and showed he lacks pace.

Without wanting to pigeon hole the kid too early, what he's showed so far puts him pretty much at Polo's level a couple of years ago, without the ball winning ability.
 

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FFS the threads on here are getting more idiotic by the day. Tuck was BOG up to half time and his job on Watson the main reason we were leading at half time.
 

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The problem with Tuck is he and Foley are very similar players. His cause is not helped by the fact that Jackson is now a best 22 player and is an inside midfielder along with Coughlan who is back from injury. We have too many inside midfielders and not enough class on the outside. We have got Cotchin, Lids and Cousins (Who will be gone within 2-3 years) and Collins who is still very young.

I have mentioned this before and I will say it again, Tuck is 27 going on 28 by the end of the season. He will not be involved in our premiership push with the core of our players at the moment being 18-23 a few 23-26. Time for some aggressive trading before the GC/WS come in and some out of the box thinking. Trade him off to a contender for a 2nd round draft pick (as he has some trade currency) and pick up a list need with that pick. Unfortunately our club isn't smart enough to execute a plan anything remotely close this.
 
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He may get 30 touches and clearances, but he doesn't hurt the opposition. I like him, but we are never going anywhere with him in the middle. Time to bring in Thomson.
mt have you been smoking crack again ? come on mate tucky is gold. contested possessions in todays game is massive. first hands on the footy mate, what you dont rate this ? the problem is our skills kill us most of the time so we are not making the most of getting pill first. i shudder to think how bad our losses would be if we were not as good in contested ball as we are.

but i do want to see thomson get a run. but not at tuck's exspense.
 

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where is rayzorwire with his stats to prove this wrong....Keep dreaming rayzor...like i said in the end you will understand why we have had our debates on this guy over the stretch...unfortunately for you and more improtant the direction of the team, it takes you and them to long to see the difference between "just grunt" and "grunt and polish". ;)
 

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mt have you been smoking crack again ? come on mate tucky is gold. contested possessions in todays game is massive. first hands on the footy mate, what you dont rate this ? the problem is our skills kill us most of the time so we are not making the most of getting pill first. i shudder to think how bad our losses would be if we were not as good in contested ball as we are.

but i do want to see thomson get a run. but not at tuck's exspense.
the bolded lines explain why you have NFI. Think of it this way, how about if we had someone with skill getting the footy first. Do you think that would make a difference? ;)
 

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the bolded lines explain why you have NFI. Think of it this way, how about if we had someone with skill getting the footy first. Do you think that would make a difference? ;)
You're a genius! Let's trade Tuck for Ablett! Why didn't anyone think of that earlier?
 

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Anyone who thinks Tuck is one of our main problems should maybe consider not posting ever again.
Absolutely agree with you Ranger, I rate Tuck. For crying out loud the bloke is 2nd in the league for contested possessions and is averaging around 27 possessions a game. For any Tigers supporter thinking Tuck is the problem, you need to wake up from whatever deluded nightmare you are in!
 

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Absolutely agree with you Ranger, I rate Tuck. For crying out loud the bloke is 2nd in the league for contested possessions and is averaging around 27 possessions a game. For any Tigers supporter thinking Tuck is the problem, you need to wake up from whatever deluded nightmare you are in!
and for those that are just plain deluded, they dont really understand the deal.
It isnt that he is the problem. The problem is that the brains trust and those here who cant seem to get a handle on it, think that he is the solution. ;)
 

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The problem with Tuck is he and Foley are very similar players. His cause is not helped by the fact that Jackson is now a best 22 player and is an inside midfielder along with Coughlan who is back from injury. We have too many inside midfielders and not enough class on the outside. We have got Cotchin, Lids and Cousins (Who will be gone within 2-3 years) and Collins who is still very young.

I have mentioned this before and I will say it again, Tuck is 27 going on 28 by the end of the season. He will not be involved in our premiership push with the core of our players at the moment being 18-23 a few 23-26. Time for some aggressive trading before the GC/WS come in and some out of the box thinking. Trade him off to a contender for a 2nd round draft pick (as he has some trade currency) and pick up a list need with that pick. Unfortunately our club isn't smart enough to execute a plan anything remotely close this.
This is exactly my point. We have enough ball winners now and Tuck is the least valuable. Tuck isn't much of a tagger and he doesn't have the speed like Foley. Foley and Jacko are more value to our team and we can't afford to include Tuck. We need to stick with Cotchin and Deledio instead of Tuck. We'll also pick up another midfielder in the draft too
 

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Before we get rid of Tuck or anyone else that can win their own ball, how about we find a coach with a game plan.
We have got a game plan and a quality coach. Our first 5 weeks we have only played with half our best 22. The last 4 weeks we have got some player back and showed improved form but we are down on confidence and have some players still underdone
 

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Absolutely agree with you Ranger, I rate Tuck. For crying out loud the bloke is 2nd in the league for contested possessions and is averaging around 27 possessions a game. For any Tigers supporter thinking Tuck is the problem, you need to wake up from whatever deluded nightmare you are in!
and last in the league for effective possessions? :cool:
 

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the bolded lines explain why you have NFI. Think of it this way, how about if we had someone with skill getting the footy first. Do you think that would make a difference? ;)
It would make the world of difference. No point being up the top of the league in contested possies if all you do is put your team under the pump with poor decisions and skills. Some of the blame lies in how the team spreads around a clearance but the majority of it lies with the ball handler.
 

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Disposal efficiency

Tuck - 70.1%

Not great but look at some other Tiger midfielders..

Jackson - 70.2%
Coughlan - 70.2%

And also...

Chris Judd - 70.0%
Dane Swan - 67.4%
 

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Disposal efficiency

Tuck - 70.1%

Not great but look at some other Tiger midfielders..

Jackson - 70.2%
Coughlan - 70.2%

And also...

Chris Judd - 70.0%
Dane Swan - 67.4%
yep we have ourselves a gun of gynormous proportions.
He is better than Judd in disposal efficiency....you gotta luv the stats.
Oops, sorry, I forgot...by and large the whole footy world has been debating if Judd is at or above his brownlow form with that "disposal efficiency". ;)
 

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#46
It has been mentioned in this thread that we have too many of the same type of players i.e. Tuck/Foley/Coughlan/Thomson

The suggestion is to get rid of Tuck. Now here is what I would like for those who suggest we get rid of Tuck think about. Which player would we get more for at the trade table if we were to offer them up for trade?

Foley
Tuck
Coughlan
Thomson

I know who I would be putting on the trade table and who I wouldn't be.
 

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yep we have ourselves a gun of gynormous proportions.
He is better than Judd in disposal efficiency....you gotta luv the stats.
Oops, sorry, I forgot...by and large the whole footy world has been debating if Judd is at or above his brownlow form with that "disposal efficiency". ;)
Don't twist things.

No-one is claiming he is a superstar. He's just a good, honest player who is doing exactly the job that we need him to do. Anyone blaming him for our pathetic season is a complete idiot.

BigFooty needs an Ignore feature. There are just so many posters that have proven time and again that they have NFI but they still want to have their say in every thread thus wasting everyone else's time.
 

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Don't twist things.

No-one is claiming he is a superstar. He's just a good, honest player who is doing exactly the job that we need him to do. Anyone blaming him for our pathetic season is a complete idiot.

BigFooty needs an Ignore feature. There are just so many posters that have proven time and again that they have NFI but they still want to have their say in every thread thus wasting everyone else's time.
who is blaming him for our shit season dude? I am blaming the brainless trust for our shit season. They call the shots and those shots are total failures.
BTW, what is this job that he is doing? And while you are it, can you give us the goss on what an "efficient disposal" actually equates to please. Does it create play? or is it just purely a case where you can rid yourself of the ball to anyone you can, and if it hits the target, then its efficient, correct? Keep sleeping...you have NFI on what is needed. ;)
 

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The thread is titled "Tuck has to go". Obviously some people think he part of the problem.

The job he is doing is winning the contested ball.

An efficient disposal is one that finds a teammate. When you're at the bottom of a pack, getting the ball into a teammate's hands is all you need to be doing. You can't be expected to also see the whole ground and work out the best avenue to goal. You just get the ball and get it out to a teammate. Tuck does that.
 

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Tuck is one of the few hard nuts that shows heart every single week.

He is the one that gets in and under and feeds it out to our more 'skillful' fairy players who inturn get the 'props' for the clearance...
 
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