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and turkey is slowly learning this....
Turkey shoots down Russian Jet.
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and turkey is slowly learning this....
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"As soon as such a claim is proved, the nobility of our nation requires [me] to do this," Erdogan told reporters at the climate change summit in Paris on Monday.
But, he added, if the allegations are untrue, then Russian President Vladimir Putin should resign.
"I am asking Mr. Putin, would you remain?"
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/01/europe/syria-turkey-russia-warplane-tensions/index.html
lol Erdoga asking Putin if he would resign. Nothing will make Putin resign. lol
But, he added, if the allegations are untrue, then Russian President Vladimir Putin should resign.
"I am asking Mr. Putin, would you remain?"
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/01/europe/syria-turkey-russia-warplane-tensions/index.html
lol Erdoga asking Putin if he would resign. Nothing will make Putin resign. lol
jpeg <putin shirt off on pony>
not in the blue on blue "accident" type mistake Pat Tilman and others
What nobility? Lmfao these people think so highly of them selves...I guess that's why he spent 600 million of tax payers money building him self a palace. How this idiot keeps getting elected over there..
because the money is not money as we know it. The palace is supposed for the king. how is this different from say, London and the monarch's palaces?
the politician heads of state in Eastern Europe, Ukraine et al, also have such largesse.
"supposedly", Putin has about 30 billion of Russian mineral and energy wealth, from gazprom holdings or some other company. what on earth would the point of this be?
this is the point, there is no point. It is just grandeur, but we in the West do conspicuous consumption better than anyone else, tho the Sinos now are flirting with this
corruption and intimidation mostly. his "brand" of politics goes way back from when he was involved in an extremist party which eventually got banned for constitutional reasons, the 40 or so armed thugs which miraculously sunk their way aboard the gaza "peace flotilla" who were found to be linked to his government when he was PM. To the physical abuse used against peaceful protesters and the arrests of his political enemies.
He actually had large numbers of ranking military officials jailed for all sorts of things, ranging from planning a coup against him to planning to provoke a war with Greece in order to somehow bring down the AKP government.
There's a huge amount of journalists in jail too.
And their intelligence services like MIT have had their heads replaced as well.
A lot of the money that's funded him has been traced back to the gulf arab states.
They've even banned youtube and other social media over there from time to time for things other people post like insulting Turkey or at one stage I think the excuse was insulting Ataturk.
All the while we have this large Muslim country that used to at least have some resemblance to being secularly managed, with links to terrorist groups including Hamas who Erdogan rolls out the red carpet for, building all sorts of new weapon systems with the assistance of western countries. The greed for profit knows no boundaries.
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we had no issues (apart from one minor discression) when we were there last year however someone needs to lock this guy up. he's abusing his power to dictatorship levels
Thats because he's preoccupied at breaking apart the social fabric of the country setting the various groups against each other.
outsiders usually don't become a target until unless there's a need to blame them for all the problems a country faces.
right now he's busy convincing turkey that all other domestic political factions are dangerous. Especially unarmed students sitting down waving flags.
Listen to this * wit NATO secretary general. Can't answer the question.
The CNN host asks him about Turkish violations of Greek air space, and he talks about the Syrian situation on Turkeys border.
Russia violating Turkish airspace has happened before he says...well guess what DICK HEAD, every damn day at least one formation of Turkish jets flies into Greek air space. What the * is your ******* s**t alliance going to do about that? Nothing just like they last 20 ******* years of this s**t.
God damn globalist zionist bastards.
Listen later on how he talks about Turkey has a right to defend it's air space because it's about territorial integrity.
Listen to him stammer and um and ah and stutter stupid ******* prick.
Imagine Russia shot down a Turkish jet over Syria.
This idiot would be uming and ahing and stuttering all over the place.
This whole situation in Syria is amazing to be honest.
It's shone a massive spotlight on the hypocrisy and double standards of our Western world, and just how complicit they are in many of the trouble spots around the globe.
How anyone can still be naive and blind to what's going on in our world I don't know.
Because you only have to look at the situation in Syria and see how ****ed our side is.
Absolutely. The truth can approach you and punch you in the face and leave one bruised and battered yet the majority will still refuse to believe or see it. So entrenched are the general masses in the language of double speak. This applies to politics, economics, health and everything else that is manipulated for money and power. Double speak has never been more powerfully used than it is today.
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That NATO guy was so frustrating, he is so Pro Turkey and completely ignored the Greek Airspace issue. So it's irrelevant if Greek's airspace is violated. Has Turkey explained why they keep entering Greek's airspace?
What a joke.
What a joke.
Yes they have, but it's a long winded subject that would distract from the topic far too much.
Essentially they don't recognize Greece's borders and sovereignty because they want to draw a line down the middle of the Aegean Sea and say this half is ours, because that would allow them to claim a bigger Exclusive Economic Zone and exploit the energy and mineral resources in the Aegean Sea and Eastern Mediterranean.
When they realized Greece wont be bullied(Greece actually mobilized its armed forces, with the Greek navy being deployed with orders to sink anything with a Turkish flag on it which scared the living daylights out of the Turks who got on the phone to Bill Clinton to implore him to intervene..), they started suggesting and demanding that energy resources be shared with them.
I'll leave it at that because it's another issue all together from this thread. PM me if you want to discuss it further.
Iraq can ask for Russian help amid Turkey incursion
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/12/05/440393/Turkey-Iraq-Russian-help-E-Michael-Jones
getting interesting
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...urkish-ambassador-demand-withdrawal-of-troops
Iraq summons Turkish ambassador to demand withdrawal of troops
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/12/05/440393/Turkey-Iraq-Russian-help-E-Michael-Jones
getting interesting
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...urkish-ambassador-demand-withdrawal-of-troops
Iraq summons Turkish ambassador to demand withdrawal of troops
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Yes! Very interesting, I read the guardian article yesterday. and it does seem that NATO and USA are supporting Turkey to go against Russia. Jones comments are interesting and we are getting a different perspective about this situation.
Quote: http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/12/05/440393/Turkey-Iraq-Russian-help-E-Michael-Jones:
"Press TV: Well, first it was Turkey downing a Russian bomber, now deploying hundreds of troops into Iraq. What is Turkey actually trying to do here?
Jones: Yeah, well, it seems this is a double standard here, doesn’t it? I mean that the Russian airplane at the most flew over this little sliver of Turkish airspace for a number of seconds and that’s a ‘big violation’ of their sovereignty. But, yet they get to send the troops into Iraq.
It seems to me that the NATO is using Turkey as their cat’s paw. This is the way that they’re fighting back against the Russians. This is the way they’re countering the Russian offensive that they launched a few weeks ago. And it’s very clear; that’s what’s going on here."
Quote: http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/12/05/440393/Turkey-Iraq-Russian-help-E-Michael-Jones:
"Press TV: Well, first it was Turkey downing a Russian bomber, now deploying hundreds of troops into Iraq. What is Turkey actually trying to do here?
Jones: Yeah, well, it seems this is a double standard here, doesn’t it? I mean that the Russian airplane at the most flew over this little sliver of Turkish airspace for a number of seconds and that’s a ‘big violation’ of their sovereignty. But, yet they get to send the troops into Iraq.
It seems to me that the NATO is using Turkey as their cat’s paw. This is the way that they’re fighting back against the Russians. This is the way they’re countering the Russian offensive that they launched a few weeks ago. And it’s very clear; that’s what’s going on here."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...t-turkish-vessel/story-fni6um3i-1227643982933
Now to the uninitiated this may seem like an innocent thing, an error, by a simple fishing vessel.
To the initiated who are well aware of what tricks the Turks get up to in the Aegean Sea near Greek islands and in Greek territorial waters, they often send out fishing boats to cause provocations, which are usually followed by a naval vessel not far away. They have even used tv reporters to stir trouble by creating provocations.
As the saying goes, the Turks have been "cruising for a bruising" for quite a while now.
Not content with picking on Israel, Cyprus, Greece, Iraq, Syria, and even Egypt, they now want to poke the Bear.
The bear will give them quite a bruising, because unlike the other countries(minus Syria which is in civil war), Russia isn't an American client state that bows down to the State Department and CIA.
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Interesting developments, now is NATO going to comment on this event?
Well, this was always going to happen after shooting down the Russian jet. Putin isnt going to back down
Well, this was always going to happen after shooting down the Russian jet. Putin isnt going to back down
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https://www.rt.com/news/325826-turkey-us-isis-oil-un/
Both Ankara and Washington were obliged to inform the UN Security Council about Islamic State illegally trafficking stolen oil, but didn’t, Russia’s UN envoy said in an interview, adding that this is against the UN resolution on financing terrorism.
TrendsRussian anti-terror op in Syria
“We’ve got serious complaints about the implementation of [UN] resolution (#2199, banning financing of the terrorist organization),” Vitaly Churkin told RIA Novosti news agency.
READ MORE: ‘Turkey acts like ISIS ally, should not be EU member’– Czech president
“Under Resolution 2199, adopted on our initiative in February, countries are obliged to provide information (about financing terrorists) to the Security Council - if they have such information. That means the Americans had to provide such information, and of course Turkey, which should have reported any illegal [oil] trade going on there. They didn't do it,”Churkin said.
Both Ankara and Washington were obliged to inform the UN Security Council about Islamic State illegally trafficking stolen oil, but didn’t, Russia’s UN envoy said in an interview, adding that this is against the UN resolution on financing terrorism.
TrendsRussian anti-terror op in Syria
“We’ve got serious complaints about the implementation of [UN] resolution (#2199, banning financing of the terrorist organization),” Vitaly Churkin told RIA Novosti news agency.
READ MORE: ‘Turkey acts like ISIS ally, should not be EU member’– Czech president
“Under Resolution 2199, adopted on our initiative in February, countries are obliged to provide information (about financing terrorists) to the Security Council - if they have such information. That means the Americans had to provide such information, and of course Turkey, which should have reported any illegal [oil] trade going on there. They didn't do it,”Churkin said.
Of course they didn't do it. Whose profiting from it? It isn't just IS.
Or do people think Turkey is transporting or allowing the transport of that oil for free with no financial gain?
Whose even operating the oil infrastructure in the IS controlled territories?
What, a bunch of rag tag terrorists, and some confused teenagers and moron radicals from western countries all know how to operate oil infrastructure do they?
Come onnnn...Swiss cheese doesn't even have as many holes in it as the "official story" on this from the West does..
Or do people think Turkey is transporting or allowing the transport of that oil for free with no financial gain?
Whose even operating the oil infrastructure in the IS controlled territories?
What, a bunch of rag tag terrorists, and some confused teenagers and moron radicals from western countries all know how to operate oil infrastructure do they?
Come onnnn...Swiss cheese doesn't even have as many holes in it as the "official story" on this from the West does..
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How much more compelling could the evidence against turkey be? There is like literally thousands of trucks coming straight from the oil fields across to the Turkish border.
The Russian's haven't finished yet, nor forgotten.
It's being reported in Greek and Turkish media that in December a couple of Turkish F16's had engaged in a dog fight with Greek F16's in the Aegean, either in Greek national air space or within the Athens FIR, when the Turkish F16's were locked on to by a Russian missile cruiser in the region.
Since then the Turkish F16's have been missing in action over the Aegean.
So essentially what this means is that a no fly zone has been created around Turkeys east and south. Then consider that to the north is Russia's Black Sea fleet and other assets from Russia directly, and that recently Armenia linked it's air defences with Russia's, and you have almost an encirclement of Turkey as a result of Turkey downing a Russian bomber.
I don't think the Russian's will fire on them unless provoked. But it's interesting because the Russian's are throwing a ring around Turkey basically. Turkey either makes a move and shoots at them again and challenges Russia, or sits quietly and does nothing while Russia imposes limits.
It's being reported in Greek and Turkish media that in December a couple of Turkish F16's had engaged in a dog fight with Greek F16's in the Aegean, either in Greek national air space or within the Athens FIR, when the Turkish F16's were locked on to by a Russian missile cruiser in the region.
Since then the Turkish F16's have been missing in action over the Aegean.
So essentially what this means is that a no fly zone has been created around Turkeys east and south. Then consider that to the north is Russia's Black Sea fleet and other assets from Russia directly, and that recently Armenia linked it's air defences with Russia's, and you have almost an encirclement of Turkey as a result of Turkey downing a Russian bomber.
I don't think the Russian's will fire on them unless provoked. But it's interesting because the Russian's are throwing a ring around Turkey basically. Turkey either makes a move and shoots at them again and challenges Russia, or sits quietly and does nothing while Russia imposes limits.
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Can you imagine if say, Assad or Putin for example, had praised Nazi Germany and it's style of government?
Mostly silence with Erdogan though. Cant paint him as that kind of bad guy, not when he's going up against our other bad guy, Putin. We need someone to play a sort of victim against evil dictator Putin.
Mostly silence with Erdogan though. Cant paint him as that kind of bad guy, not when he's going up against our other bad guy, Putin. We need someone to play a sort of victim against evil dictator Putin.
