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Toast Turning Pick 4 into a top 3 Pick.
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Probably the wrong thread but if we win less than 5 do we still get an extra pick at the end of the second round. i know that will be about 30ish but its still an alright pick
No. Priority Picks are so 2009.
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I thought a couple of months ago that PP were still in place, until swannies corrected me.
The Richmond board are still debating as to whether to go for a PP or not.
What's the story?
And yet you can't package a top line player with pick 4 just to get a 1 or 2 pick downgrade!
For a 1 or 2 pick downgrade a player such as McKinely or maybe an Ash Smith is reasonable, maybe A Selwood at the most but that seems too much.
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And yet you can't package a top line player with pick 4 just to get a 1 or 2 pick downgrade!
For a 1 or 2 pick downgrade a player such as McKinely or maybe an Ash Smith is reasonable, maybe A Selwood at the most but that seems too much.
Of course you can offer a top line player for a one or two pick upgrade. It's a matter that has to be weighed up on it's individual merits.
It's debatable as to whether Kerr is any longer a top liner.
I proposed WC trading pick 4 + Kerr to GC for pick 3 and their 2nd round selection.
Kerr's trade value is debatable, and I could make a case for it being at the high or low end of most peoples reasonable expectations.
I'd be reluctant to trade Kerr with the state of our list (midfield) in particular. He's the only one that adds a touch of class and isn't a clogger/plodder or stunting youth development. Young players actually respect his quality and without him... i fear who exactly Masten and co are supposed to learn from.
There's no doubt injuries are a concern but how much of that is down to playing him in a role that doesn't suit him aswell as a supporting cast that never took the pressure off him.
I've been waiting for the day where Kerr could share the midfield with Swift, Masten, Shuey, Sheppard, Lecras but that day has been constantly delayed by an inept coaching staff.
Something tells me next year is the year... but i thought that this year until Game One rolled around and it was the same old Prid-Wood- Bert set-up.
There's no doubt injuries are a concern but how much of that is down to playing him in a role that doesn't suit him aswell as a supporting cast that never took the pressure off him.
I've been waiting for the day where Kerr could share the midfield with Swift, Masten, Shuey, Sheppard, Lecras but that day has been constantly delayed by an inept coaching staff.
Something tells me next year is the year... but i thought that this year until Game One rolled around and it was the same old Prid-Wood- Bert set-up.
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Source ???GC have told Bennell and Darling they will draft them so 1-2-3 go to WA players , we at pick 4 get the pick of the SA juniors ( or Vic )
Shifter said that Sam Day is the best KPF in the under 18's this year followed by Darling, GC17 have openly stated that Sam Day was on their radar as well as Darling, But Day is more likely to be a higher pick for his height and agility.
Plus with the AFL ruling today that a high calibre player is worth 2 first round draft picks eg Ablett, Kerr, Judd, Cooney etc you will find that medium to high players will be valued at 1 first rnd pick.
CG17 will be forced to give up pick 2 and pick 11 for Ablett.
That leaves them with a choice. Swollow is already the No1 pick, So do the Cats take Bennell with pick 2 or a KPF or KPD with that pick.???
Your guess is as good as mine but with Podsiadly, Mitch Brown, Hawkins and Mooney as KPF and S.Johnson as a Medium Forward they are unlikely going after a KPF, My guess is Harley Bennell at 2 to fill the role of Ablett as a HFF/Midfielder.
GC will be left with Day or Darling if they still want a KPF but I think they would prefur Luke Parker from Vic Country a Rebounding Defender or Inside Midfielder in the same mould as Nick Suban/Simon Black as he is probably the most versitile player after Bennell.
Adelaide should have pick 4 and with Tippet at FF and Mckernan, Walker, Davis, Talia and Craig all Developing Forwards on there list they are unlikely to take another and should go with a Midfielder to cover the losses of so many stars that are retiring. Andrew Gaff (Vic Metro)
The left-footer from the Oakleigh Chargers. Looks in the mould of Lions star Luke Power with his hard running and clean hands and plays a Sweeping role off the back of the midfield.
If GC havn't traded this pick away they will be looking at Either Day or Darling to fill the KPF role. My mail has it that Sam Day is the option they will want. So Sam Day at #5
This bring me to WCE at #6, If Darling is still their then this is a given, as a Key Full Forward is exactly what we need and Darling can start Round 1.
So Pick 6 - Jack Darling
GC17 has pick 7 and from what I understand they will try to use this as trade bait for a recognised Key Defender, I believe that Nathan Bock or Sam Fisher are Top on their list and I believe pick 7 would be enough to secure Bock as Adelaide need to rebuild there list, something extra for Fisher thou would be needed imo as Stkilda is more settled.
I wouldn't Rule out Glass as Trade bait to get this and another pick truthfully as he would be worth 2 picks according to the new Rule.
Richmond at pick 8 and Jacks Brother Charlie Riewoldt will be at top of their list.
CG17 at 9- again Tradeable Pick for established Defender.
EA just so you know. Get ready for this. Gold coast dont have to give up any of their picks for the player signings like ablett. The afl gives them to the clubs losing players for free to be used in any draft from 2012-2017 at the leisure of the club getting the picks. The only proviso is that it has to be in the drafts starting the year after Western Sydney enter. The other factor is the clubs have to nominate the year they will use the picks at the start of said year.
So say for example priority picks come back in. Geelong finish last in 2016 with 4 wins, they then nominate 2017 as their year and finish last again with 4 wins. They would get picks 1,2,3,4 in that years draft.
So say for example priority picks come back in. Geelong finish last in 2016 with 4 wins, they then nominate 2017 as their year and finish last again with 4 wins. They would get picks 1,2,3,4 in that years draft.
FF: Broome Darling McKinley
CHF: Lecras Kennedy Weedon
C: Sheppard Swift Stevens
CHB: Smith Brown Hurn
FB: Schofield MacKenzie Waters
FOLL: Naitinui Shuey Masten
INT: Butler Strijk Stevenson Ebert/JoJo/SSelwood
We really need a FF (Brown looks lost IMO a better CHB/CHF/HF/HB and Notte isnt progressing as fast as we would like). Darling isnt very convincing though, there are other quality KPF's in the draft. I would love to have Matera in that team at the expense of McKinley.
Woosha is right, we do have the cattle to be a great team, they just need experience.
CHF: Lecras Kennedy Weedon
C: Sheppard Swift Stevens
CHB: Smith Brown Hurn
FB: Schofield MacKenzie Waters
FOLL: Naitinui Shuey Masten
INT: Butler Strijk Stevenson Ebert/JoJo/SSelwood
We really need a FF (Brown looks lost IMO a better CHB/CHF/HF/HB and Notte isnt progressing as fast as we would like). Darling isnt very convincing though, there are other quality KPF's in the draft. I would love to have Matera in that team at the expense of McKinley.
Woosha is right, we do have the cattle to be a great team, they just need experience.
I like the look of that team. Especially when you keep in mind that we should be targeting a good small forward at the next draft, so he would be in probably at the expense of Broome. Maybe one more gun mid if we get a high pick, would rather that than grabbing Darling with our high pick.
Package Kerr with a draft pick, he has been near useless since Judd and Cuzz left
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I'm not going into the detail about the draft order beyond pick 3, we don't know how the ladder will finish up or have anything like an accurate picture of the final draft pool.
One thing is clear from this year, we lack talent in every part of the ground and don't have sufficient depth to draft anything but another midfielder come round one later this year. Both in terms of needs and on what's going to be best available it is becoming clearer by the week that our problems won't be cured by drafting an undersized FF like Darling. We have more pressing problems and he wont be best available if we finish bottom two.
Now one this is clear, we will finish bottom three and get one of pick four, six or eight.
Currently the draft order stands with Swallow, Bennell and Day all sitting rather confidently in the top three, that leaves a group of mid fielders headed by Parker, Gaff and Green; as well as a group of KPP's including Darling, Cook and Sully, out of this group it would be fair to say that Darling appears to have had the lowest output and also has the least upside.
The midfielders.
- Andrew Gaff, he's a medium paced left foot midfielder who skirts packs and acts as an outlet through the midfielder. He can win his own ball and is competent over head, but he can lack hurt factor given his average kicking skill and lack of pace.
-Josh Green, is a lightning quick and very agile inside midfielder who plays for Tasmania, he breaks tackles, explodes away from pack and likes getting forward and kicking goals.
-Luke Parker, quick inside midfielder with excellent foot skills who is excellent at winning the hard ball. He averaged two goals a game in the TAC cup in 09, allot of people are saying that whoever finishes fourth well probably end up with Parker.
After that pick the hard work really starts, we really need to strengthen our draft position in this draft by trading out players for picks in the second/ third round.
Targets could include:
-Alex Elisseou, 174cm small forward who racks up plenty of touches in the Colts. He has a good goal sense and has an incredibly good work rate and very strong endurance, certainly worth a look for a senior listing.
-Alex Fasolo, shaping as a second round pick at this stage. His size, endurance, strong foot skills and utility mean Fasolo isn't just a prospect of getting drafted, he's a prospect of developing into a star. As a potential stopper, medium defender or perhaps something more through the midfield.
-Jamie Cripps, as a potential defensive forward, small defender or midfielder he wont go that high in a draft stacked with interstate talent.
-Jed Lamb, a player who keeps on popping up with goals. He's a 180cm general forward/ midfielder who plays for Gibbsland Power (Koby Stevens, team). Apart from having a talent for putting score board pressure on by kicking mini bags, he is a prolific tackler in the forward line.
Strengthening our position in the draft is essential. If we finish 16th - 12th then useing three live picks is a very viable option. Currently 8, 29, 46.
Stengthen that by trading a Kerr (to the GC) and a McKinley (back to Vic) it could well be a 8, 11, 29, 33, 46.
One thing is clear from this year, we lack talent in every part of the ground and don't have sufficient depth to draft anything but another midfielder come round one later this year. Both in terms of needs and on what's going to be best available it is becoming clearer by the week that our problems won't be cured by drafting an undersized FF like Darling. We have more pressing problems and he wont be best available if we finish bottom two.
Now one this is clear, we will finish bottom three and get one of pick four, six or eight.
Currently the draft order stands with Swallow, Bennell and Day all sitting rather confidently in the top three, that leaves a group of mid fielders headed by Parker, Gaff and Green; as well as a group of KPP's including Darling, Cook and Sully, out of this group it would be fair to say that Darling appears to have had the lowest output and also has the least upside.
The midfielders.
- Andrew Gaff, he's a medium paced left foot midfielder who skirts packs and acts as an outlet through the midfielder. He can win his own ball and is competent over head, but he can lack hurt factor given his average kicking skill and lack of pace.
-Josh Green, is a lightning quick and very agile inside midfielder who plays for Tasmania, he breaks tackles, explodes away from pack and likes getting forward and kicking goals.
-Luke Parker, quick inside midfielder with excellent foot skills who is excellent at winning the hard ball. He averaged two goals a game in the TAC cup in 09, allot of people are saying that whoever finishes fourth well probably end up with Parker.
After that pick the hard work really starts, we really need to strengthen our draft position in this draft by trading out players for picks in the second/ third round.
Targets could include:
-Alex Elisseou, 174cm small forward who racks up plenty of touches in the Colts. He has a good goal sense and has an incredibly good work rate and very strong endurance, certainly worth a look for a senior listing.
-Alex Fasolo, shaping as a second round pick at this stage. His size, endurance, strong foot skills and utility mean Fasolo isn't just a prospect of getting drafted, he's a prospect of developing into a star. As a potential stopper, medium defender or perhaps something more through the midfield.
-Jamie Cripps, as a potential defensive forward, small defender or midfielder he wont go that high in a draft stacked with interstate talent.
-Jed Lamb, a player who keeps on popping up with goals. He's a 180cm general forward/ midfielder who plays for Gibbsland Power (Koby Stevens, team). Apart from having a talent for putting score board pressure on by kicking mini bags, he is a prolific tackler in the forward line.
Strengthening our position in the draft is essential. If we finish 16th - 12th then useing three live picks is a very viable option. Currently 8, 29, 46.
Stengthen that by trading a Kerr (to the GC) and a McKinley (back to Vic) it could well be a 8, 11, 29, 33, 46.
Well this thread ought to get our useless eagles winning again. Similar threads like this last year seemed to helped.
Interesting to see what the eagles do if in this sernaro
Do we go for a need: Key forward (Darling)
or Best player in draft Midfielder / small forward (Bennell)
Ás much as I want both our Key position Forward targets are useless apart from Kennedy. If we pick up Darling we can build a Brown - Fevola line up.
Interesting to see what the eagles do if in this sernaro
Do we go for a need: Key forward (Darling)
or Best player in draft Midfielder / small forward (Bennell)
Ás much as I want both our Key position Forward targets are useless apart from Kennedy. If we pick up Darling we can build a Brown - Fevola line up.
Im firmly of the opinion that worsfold have you all under his spell, even if it is just at a subconscious level.
Explain to me again, Why we need a second big key forward. We need someone in there who can take a contested mark, but in the future we just cant play a forward line of 2 key forwards,mckinley,lecras and a ruckman. Its just too tall, too slow and lacks any semblance of defensive pressure coming out of out 50 metre arc.
Sure chase a young FF or bank on notte making it, but to do so mckinley cant be a part of our plans. The other thing to factor in before doing all this is that mckinley hasnt had a run at FF to see if his undersized 185cm frame can make it. The reality of it is this, we dont need a 50-70 goal a year FF.
If mckinley can play FF and pick up 30-40 goals a year going into the future on top of lecras picking up a similar return and kennedy getting 50-60 then that really is all we need from a marking forward structure perspective. We need crumbers and running midfielders to make up the rest of our goals, not more height and more key forwards.
Woosha's structure and plan doesn't work for key forwards. The faster you get it into the forward 50 the more effective that key forwards and tall marking targets are, as they can rely on their strength and height to win out in 1 on 1 battles. But with our lack of run out of defence and through the corridor we get the ball in slowly which is where you rely on the big guys to crash packs and then the crumbers to pick up the goals.
Explain to me again, Why we need a second big key forward. We need someone in there who can take a contested mark, but in the future we just cant play a forward line of 2 key forwards,mckinley,lecras and a ruckman. Its just too tall, too slow and lacks any semblance of defensive pressure coming out of out 50 metre arc.
Sure chase a young FF or bank on notte making it, but to do so mckinley cant be a part of our plans. The other thing to factor in before doing all this is that mckinley hasnt had a run at FF to see if his undersized 185cm frame can make it. The reality of it is this, we dont need a 50-70 goal a year FF.
If mckinley can play FF and pick up 30-40 goals a year going into the future on top of lecras picking up a similar return and kennedy getting 50-60 then that really is all we need from a marking forward structure perspective. We need crumbers and running midfielders to make up the rest of our goals, not more height and more key forwards.
Woosha's structure and plan doesn't work for key forwards. The faster you get it into the forward 50 the more effective that key forwards and tall marking targets are, as they can rely on their strength and height to win out in 1 on 1 battles. But with our lack of run out of defence and through the corridor we get the ball in slowly which is where you rely on the big guys to crash packs and then the crumbers to pick up the goals.
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Mckinley has spent more time at FF over the past month than anyone else. Keeps getting beaten in 1 on 1 contest, he isn't fast enough to get in front or tall enough to dominate in the air. Just not big enough to play as a KP given his talents.
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I gotta agree with you bc, hasn't had the same impact on games he used to have. Also he is very injury prone.
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So who are the guys on our list with value that we'd be willing to trade?
Kerr?
Brown?
McKinley?
Ebert?
I'd personally prefer to keep McKinley, undersized FF maybe but knows how to kick goals. Same with Ebert. Only 20yrs old, plenty of scope for improvement.
The other two are expendable. Kerr for obvious reasons. Brown because he doesn't know how to use his body in contests and due to that I can't see him holding down a key position. He's Lynch II in that regard.
Wilkes and Lynch should be traded, even if for only a pick upgrade. Both try hard, but we have much more talented players fighting for the same position.
Embley, Hansen, Nicoski and Bones will be lucky to be around in 2011.
Priddis, Spangher, McGinnity, Dalziell, don't have trade value for various reasons.
Kerr?
Brown?
McKinley?
Ebert?
I'd personally prefer to keep McKinley, undersized FF maybe but knows how to kick goals. Same with Ebert. Only 20yrs old, plenty of scope for improvement.
The other two are expendable. Kerr for obvious reasons. Brown because he doesn't know how to use his body in contests and due to that I can't see him holding down a key position. He's Lynch II in that regard.
Wilkes and Lynch should be traded, even if for only a pick upgrade. Both try hard, but we have much more talented players fighting for the same position.
Embley, Hansen, Nicoski and Bones will be lucky to be around in 2011.
Priddis, Spangher, McGinnity, Dalziell, don't have trade value for various reasons.
kerr - no (loyal, proven champion and we wouldn't get what he's worth in a trade anyway)
brown - yes (looks very unlikely to become the player we hoped he would)
mckinley - yes (is too one-dimensional and simply not that good)
ebert - maybe (looks unlikely to become a top echelon midfielder, at best will be another braun)
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any for the right price, none for the wrong price.
Re above, once again it's way too early to write off Brown. Young player who at the very least has shown he can play back, half a dozen games in the forward line is not enough to form any conclusive judgment.
Mckinley might be one we could get some value for, another club might see we have not been using him well and think they can extract some extra worth from him.
Re above, once again it's way too early to write off Brown. Young player who at the very least has shown he can play back, half a dozen games in the forward line is not enough to form any conclusive judgment.
Mckinley might be one we could get some value for, another club might see we have not been using him well and think they can extract some extra worth from him.
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Wilkes, Spangher gone at the end of 2010. Schofield still yet to sign an extension! (reason to be concerned?)
Lynch and Hansen gone at the end of 2011.
Lets get rid of Brown? stupid stupid idea. He needs to be given ten steady games forward to gain some form before we make a call on him as a forward. Even then i still think he has great potential as a back seven defender.
Lynch and Hansen gone at the end of 2011.
Lets get rid of Brown? stupid stupid idea. He needs to be given ten steady games forward to gain some form before we make a call on him as a forward. Even then i still think he has great potential as a back seven defender.
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