Twilight GF, as soon as this year

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Typical over-emotional melodramatic responses from most people in this thread which typifies the over-conservative nature of many Aussie Rules fans.

It's hilarious that many people actually think a shift to a twilight game would be a big deal. As if we don't know what it's like to have games fixtured under lights. Every second game of the 2007 H&A season is under lights.

The silly response of , "It's been that way for 100 years, don't change it" is ridiculous and lacking in logic.

The reaosn we have always had a daytime Grand Final is because for the first 80 years of the VFL-AFL we didn't have six huge lights towers surrounding the MCG! We do now.

For the first 80-90year of the VFL-AFL, television and money from television was not the factor it is now. The focus on entertainment and the way people attend events is different now to what it was.

People will always resist change. Back in 1987 there was an uproar over the change to a national competition. The world would end apparently and fans, "wouldn't attend games out of protest." It proved to be the best thing to ever happen to the game.

The idea of a Grand Final played starting at 5:00pm has some distinct advantages:

1.) It is over by 7:40, which is still early leaving plenty of time for celebrations.

2.) The match would conservatively get a 25% increase in viewers (the Foxtel 5pm sunday games averages about 30% more viwers than the 1pm game 4 hours earlier.) This is good for the game as it allows the showpiece event to be viewed by more people. In fact, this is the most important factor.

3.) The first half would be played in sunshine to keep the traditionalists happy. The culmination under lights would obviously have a fantastic atmopshere as night games always do.

4.) The telecast would start at 12midday instead of 8am. Let's face it an 8am start on TV for Grand Final day is a long day and it basically means Channel 10 has to fill in 6 hours of non-ratings pre-game from the moment you wake up. A midday start is a better alternative. Much better, and everyone knows it. 8am is far too early. The Superbowl is timed to have a 6pm start on America's East Coast, and their pre-game starts about midday. Perfect for BBQ's, and get togethers.

All in all it's an interesting discussion and I think it's worth a try.

Certainly the predictable conserative, over-emotional viewes of the typical AFL fan (many sterotypes of that fan here in this thread) are frustrating to say the least. Change has to happen in all things otherwise we stagnate. I think it's a typical human reaction to resist change, but once you get used to it, you accept it. A twilight Grand Final is a good example of that.
 

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It wont happen this year.
Next year you could probably bet your left nut on it.
Good one.
Looking forward to a later time. Give me the sh1ts 1200 hour start time.
The good thing is no matter how much the networks would like to, they can never delay the GF telecast to WA.
Win win IMO.
yes yes your in W.A. and 2 hours behind....Sunday trading happening there yet? I remember only 4 or 5 years ago the joy of trying to buy things on a Sunday over there let alone something after 5pm during the week..by the way I wouldnt be suprised if it was trialed at some stage maybe even next year though I wouldnt bet my left nut on it...dont have one damn it but just like the arvo GF I work fine without it :D and see no need to change things, as it isnt like the audiences are suffering for being forced to watch it in the afternoon.
 
Reckon its worth a trial. There's good arguments for and against, and its not like a shift is stuck in concrete. Give it a go one year, and if it doesn't work then move it back.

They played a grand final at Waverley FFS - and people are complaining about playing it at a slightly later time?
 
Jokes about rugby league aside, there's not much doubt that a night GF will have more people watching. It's just plain silly to suggest otherwise.
GF Day is one of the few times where tradition must hold strong. Apart from WW2 and a few years other from that the GF has always started between 2pm and 3pm on a Saturday Afternoon.
 
Reckon its worth a trial. There's good arguments for and against, and its not like a shift is stuck in concrete. Give it a go one year, and if it doesn't work then move it back.

They played a grand final at Waverley FFS - and people are complaining about playing it at a slightly later time?

If you look at Waverley now, you still wonder how a GF was played there.
 
GF Day is one of the few times where tradition must hold strong.

Why? Back in 1897 we had only Victorian teams, and 4 games on a Saturday afternoon. And no Grand Final. Should tradition hold strong there?

As I mentioned in my previous post, the only reason we havn't had a GF underlights is because for the first 88 years of the VFL-AFL the MCG didn't have 6 light towers surrounding the ground. The VFL-AFL also didn't have television being an important part of the game until modern times.

Times change. Circumstances change. Change is generally for the better, that is why it happens. Unfortnately, humans dislike change (because they feel comfortable with what they're used to) and they only realise the change was for the better years later, in retrospect.

Strating the GF at 5pm is so "not a big deal" it is frustrating to hear the over-emotional responses from people trying to make it one.

You'd swear people has never seen a night game before the way they get hysterical. I like ti idea of maximising the audience but still having an early-ish finishig time at 7:45.

I also like the idea of the pre-game telecast starting at12pm not 8am. We all know 8am is too early for socialising to start. It's still friggin breakfast time!

12pm is perfect. Absolutely perfect.
 
I also like the idea of the pre-game telecast starting at12pm not 8am. We all know 8am is too early for socialising to start. It's still friggin breakfast time!

12pm is perfect. Absolutely perfect.

damn it dont take away the 1 day of the year were I am allowed to start drinking b4 the sun is over the yardarm
 
Why? Back in 1897 we had only Victorian teams, and 4 games on a Saturday afternoon. And no Grand Final. Should tradition hold strong there?

As I mentioned in my previous post, the only reason we havn't had a GF underlights is because for the first 88 years of the VFL-AFL the MCG didn't have 6 light towers surrounding the ground. The VFL-AFL also didn't have television being an important part of the game until modern times.

Times change. Circumstances change. Change is generally for the better, that is why it happens. Unfortnately, humans dislike change (because they feel comfortable with what they're used to) and they only realise the change was for the better years later, in retrospect.

Strating the GF at 5pm is so "not a big deal" it is frustrating to hear the over-emotional responses from people trying to make it one.

You'd swear people has never seen a night game before the way they get hysterical. I like ti idea of maximising the audience but still having an early-ish finishig time at 7:45.

I also like the idea of the pre-game telecast starting at12pm not 8am. We all know 8am is too early for socialising to start. It's still friggin breakfast time!

12pm is perfect. Absolutely perfect.

Super Bowl Sunday is pretty much the same thing, although its a full on night game over there with kickoff at around 7pm EST, but twilight in the Western states so you do the first half is in brigh daylight and second half at night. I don't mind a twilight game. A full on night game would be a bit too much. Celebrating your club winning a premiership at 10:30pm is too late. But twilight would work.

It's coming guys, like it or not.
 
well having been to a couple gf's, i can only imagine the horror that would be getting out of the joint after a twilight game

keep it as is, so i can slowly wind my way back to the city, getting tanked at any avaliable watering holes along the way
 
What the channel 10 director of sport doesn't realize is that by delaying the game to a twilight or even night GF is that 70% of the population will be so drunk from GF parties that the advertising will be pointless to the audience.

Therefore the advertisers should realise that the premium $$$ they ask for during GF telecast are not worth it. Hopefully the flow-on will be an advertising backlash and no delayed start.

Could it be possible that corporates and the punter can work together for a change?
 
Let's hope. Absolutely rubbish idea, I can think of no real benefits bar advertising $$$.

Greed. Plain and simple. AFL, laugh Channel 10 out the door.
 

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Bloody delay it into NSW/QLD markets if you so wish, it will have the same effect.

Never thought I would see the day when casual will-only-watch-it-if-i-happen-to-be-home-on-the-night supporters are put in front of real supporters.

Hang your head in shame Channel 10, and Vlad for not putting this fire out.
 
Makes no sense to have a twilight/night grand final.

Ten/Seven paid for a saturday arvo grand finals, why should the AFL give them something they haven't paid for?

Because they will demand it in the next tv rights deal and the AFL being business will eventually give in to the money, i'd rather a 6-7pm starting time, this will maximise the audience even moreso and i think the build up could be something really special, have it start as soon as the sun sets.
 
Because they will demand it in the next tv rights deal and the AFL being business will eventually give in to the money, i'd rather a 6-7pm starting time, this will maximise the audience even moreso and i think the build up could be something really special, have it start as soon as the sun sets.
Im talking about this year or anytime during the current deal. If they want a night grand final they will need to pay extra.
 
So far we've had basically 2 reasons as to why it shouldn't be done.

1. Tradition - which is just a bullsh!t reason for people that can't think of a legitimate one. It's not tradition that's caused a day grand final but necessity. I don't see anyone campaigning their clubs to lobby for only day matches because it's tradition to play during the day. The Grand final is no different. It's simply an excuse.

2. I want to be able to drink p!ss in the morning. I rest my case.

Does anyone have an actual serious, legitimate reason as to why not?
 
My conspiracy theory goes like this:

AFL is under pressure from Fed Govt re drugs (we all know this). AFL colludes with TV to raise an issue close to all our hearts as a media diversion.

Could there be any mileage in this thinking?

Anyway, from an admin, corporate, function and operational perspective at AFL, Club & MCC level surely its way too late for any change this year.
 
What the channel 10 director of sport doesn't realize is that by delaying the game to a twilight or even night GF is that 70% of the population will be so drunk from GF parties that the advertising will be pointless to the audience.

Therefore the advertisers should realise that the premium $$$ they ask for during GF telecast are not worth it. Hopefully the flow-on will be an advertising backlash and no delayed start.

Could it be possible that corporates and the punter can work together for a change?


most rational argument yet, i tip my hat to you good sir.
 
If this happens I'm boycotting AFL and converting to soccer.
Won't do any good. The A-League grand final is played on a Sunday twilight.

I'm in two minds about this. Ch 10's suggestion of an 11-hour show with a good post-match analysis; with the main game starting only 2 hours later than what we're currently doing; is something that could work. In years when Ch 10 has the rights, they'd do the right thing and deserve the decent ratings they'd get out of it.
But for the even-numbered years, it would be a disaster. I wouldn't trust Ch 7 as far as I could spit them - if the Swans weren't playing, there is absolutely zero prospect whatsoever of the game being shown in Sydney before 3pm on the Sunday afternoon.
 
Won't do any good. The A-League grand final is played on a Sunday twilight.
Haha funny.

I love seeing people say in protest "I'm gonna convert to soccer cause AFL is boring now cause there's hardly any scoring! :mad:"
Uhhh? Huh? Converting to soccer will be better in that aspect because?
 
Why? Back in 1897 we had only Victorian teams, and 4 games on a Saturday afternoon. And no Grand Final. Should tradition hold strong there?

As I mentioned in my previous post, the only reason we havn't had a GF underlights is because for the first 88 years of the VFL-AFL the MCG didn't have 6 light towers surrounding the ground. The VFL-AFL also didn't have television being an important part of the game until modern times.

Times change. Circumstances change. Change is generally for the better, that is why it happens. Unfortnately, humans dislike change (because they feel comfortable with what they're used to) and they only realise the change was for the better years later, in retrospect.

Strating the GF at 5pm is so "not a big deal" it is frustrating to hear the over-emotional responses from people trying to make it one.

You'd swear people has never seen a night game before the way they get hysterical. I like ti idea of maximising the audience but still having an early-ish finishig time at 7:45.

I also like the idea of the pre-game telecast starting at12pm not 8am. We all know 8am is too early for socialising to start. It's still friggin breakfast time!

12pm is perfect. Absolutely perfect.

Nail on the head!!!!! Some idiot footballer was also trying to say that it would ruin the 'family friendly' aspect of the GF if it was at night! Since when do families go to the GF?? Its mainly for corporates these days!!! Then there are the old farts that cr@p on about tradition! Please spare me, they just need to be in bed by 7pm:rolleyes:
 
My opinion. It's the Grand Final. Everyone who is going to watch it is already watching IMHO. It's would be like changing the starting time of the Melbourne Cup, pointless exercise in exerting power.
 
Some idiot footballer was also trying to say that it would ruin the 'family friendly' aspect of the GF if it was at night! Since when do families go to the GF?? Its mainly for corporates these days!!!
People arn't concerned about people at the ground, they're concerned about family events or parties that are arranged at home. Like a Grand Final BBQ or something.
 

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