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[Gough]

Were you immunised SB? Have you managed to reach your current age unencumbered by any fatal ailments, or potential ghastly side effects from immunisation?

 

[Smiling Buddha]

Were you immunised SB? Have you managed to reach your current age unencumbered by any fatal ailments, or potential ghastly side effects from immunisation?

My immunisation (or lack thereof) was a choice for my parents to make.

But statists like yourself want to remove that option from parents and turn it over to 100% state control.

Despite the fact that you know full well the corporations control the government.

This is mass madness. And I blame it on the trance which tv has you sorry folk in. Step away from the tv.

 

[Long Live HFC]

Those of you saying that vaccination should be compulsory, how many of you have any idea which chemicals are in these vaccinations?

And since we all know that for the vast majority of you the honest answer is ZERO, who the **** do you think you are telling other people what should be injected into their children?

The self-righteousness from some on this issue is mind-boggling. Only those who allow tv to think for them could be so stupid. Given that most Australian 'adults' fall into this category, one can quickly see why there are so many people in this thread foaming at the mouth about parents choosing not to inject their children with big pharma concoctions.

I hope you sign up to be one of the guys who goes around attempting to kidnap peoples kids. And I hope that on the day you are assigned to attempt to kidnap my kid, you kiss your own family goodbye before you leave for work.

your degrees in immunology: 0.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

your degrees in immunology: 0.

Which is why I should have no right to force you to inject various big pharma chemical concoctions into your kids.

 

[kfc1]

If you need a 'poster child' of how vaccination does work and why we need to push on with it, smallpox is it.

A very nasty, frequently fatal virus completely eradicated.

little graham were the Aborigines of Botany Bay the original anti-vaxxers?

 

[Long Live HFC]

Which is why I should have no right to force you to inject various big pharma chemical concoctions into your kids.

your post implies that if you did possess the requisite knowledge then you would have such a right ignoring the fact that nobody is actually forced to vaccinate, the "coercion" that does exist is based upon the evidence provided by those that possess said knowledge. hence there shouldn't be a problem.

yes, i know this isn't what you meant. my point was mostly alluding to the fact that your fear-mongering and use of loaded terms is based on your lack of knowledge/interest in immunology, rather than any rational appreciation of associated risks/benefits.

 

[Catfish Alley]

My youngest just got his first round today.

- Diphtheria toxoid (polio)
- Diphtheria toxoid (Hep B)
- Rotavirus
- Pneumococcal conjugate
- Meningococcal conjugate

My oldest is about to go to daycare one day a week and they wouldn't take him without an up-to-date vaccination record.

 

[Reppie]

 

[Smiling Buddha]

your post implies that if you did possess the requisite knowledge then you would have such a right

Perhaps in the mind of the statist. At best, a 'degree in immunology' might make it okay for a parent to inject chemicals into their own children.

At best.

 

[JD11]

are you for real? how old are you and how many years have you been wondering about it when you could have already found answers?

Maybe you can tell me?

I just think it's funny that people get so outraged by consenting adults injecting unknown substances, but will happily abide children (who're too young by law to give consent) being barraged with forced injections.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Maybe you can tell me?

I just think it's funny that people get so outraged by consenting adults injecting unknown substances, but will happily abide children (who're too young by law to give consent) being barraged with forced injections.

Oh for ****s sake.
Vaccinations are hardly unknown. They've been developed by scientists, thoroughly tested and subjected to peer reviews.

 

[HARKER]

Maybe you can tell me?

I just think it's funny that people get so outraged by consenting adults injecting unknown substances, but will happily abide children (who're too young by law to give consent) being barraged with forced injections.

I couldn't agree more.

As with anything, research hard and fast what you're putting into your body/your child's body and why.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Do actual research though, don't rely on Dr. Google or the lies spoken by 'celebrities' like Jenny McCarthy.

Most people who are anti-vaccination feel that way because they have been misled to believe that it causes autism. It has been proven time and time again that there is no link between vaccinations and autism.

 

[HARKER]

Do actual research though, don't rely on Dr. Google or the lies spoken by 'celebrities' like Jenny McCarthy.

Most people who are anti-vaccination feel that way because they have been misled to believe that it causes autism. It has been proven time and time again that there is no link between vaccinations and autism.

There is a direct correlation between medicine and profits though.
If you haven't been on the receiving end of the fraud yet.................you will be...........whether you know it or not.

.............as for children?
Most mothers are very protective and vigilant of what goes into their child's body.......and again if you don't know that now, you will likely find out.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

There is a direct correlation between medicine and profits though.

If you haven't been on the receiving end of the fraud yet.................you will be...........whether you know it or not.

Sorry Harker, I left my tin foil hat at home today.

I love modern medicine. I love that chemotherapy saves lives. I love that the progress of Multiple Sclerosis is slowed for my cousin due to the injections he receives on a daily basis. Do these treatments have potential side effects? Yes. Do the side effects outweigh the consequences of not having the treatments? Hell yes.

 

[HARKER]

Sorry Harker, I left my tin foil hat at home today.

I love modern medicine. I love that chemotherapy saves lives. I love that the progress of Multiple Sclerosis is slowed for my cousin due to the injections he receives on a daily basis. Do these treatments have potential side effects? Yes. Do the side effects outweigh the consequences of not having the treatments? Hell yes.

That tin foil hat shit again

Do you know any doctors? Really know some doctors? I do...........talk to them and see whether they're all wearing tin-foil hats also.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

That tin foil hat shit again

Do you know any doctors? Really know some doctors? I do...........talk to them and see whether they're all wearing tin-foil hats also.

Yes I do actually. And my sister is the pharmacist in charge of infectious diseases at a leading Melbourne hospital, I know her pretty well.

Do you have children? Are they immunised?

 

[Smiling Buddha]

Oh for ****s sake.
Vaccinations are hardly unknown. They've been developed by scientists, thoroughly tested and subjected to peer reviews.

How much of that science have you looked into for yourself? How many of those peer-reviewed papers have you read?

Or are you another one those 'its SCIENCE' type Scientism adherents?

Anybody who sources information for themselves knows how little the term 'peer reviewed' means these days.

If you aren't aware, just look into 'peer review scandal' for yourself.

Ultimately, when they tracked down some of the scientists in whose names reviews were written, they found that they hadn’t written them at all. Someone else had, using the scientists’ names.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-systematic-scheme-may-affect-other-journals/

Please reject the religion of Scientism. Your pastors are taking advantage of your trust and deference to authority.

 

[HARKER]

Yes I do actually. And my sister is the pharmacist in charge of infectious diseases at a leading Melbourne hospital, I know her pretty well.

Do you have children? Are they immunised?

No. My daughter wasn't immunized. She's survived.................and I don't get flu shots either.

Serve yourself but don't tell others they should bend to the Pharmaceuticals. They're a resort alright but maybe shouldn't be your first port of call. Each to their own, I guess.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

How much of that science have you looked into for yourself? How many of those peer-reviewed papers have you read?

Or are you another one those 'its SCIENCE' type Scientism adherents?

Anybody who sources information for themselves knows how little the term 'peer reviewed' means these days.

If you aren't aware, just look into 'peer review scandal' for yourself.

Ultimately, when they tracked down some of the scientists in whose names reviews were written, they found that they hadn’t written them at all. Someone else had, using the scientists’ names.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-systematic-scheme-may-affect-other-journals/

Please reject the religion of Scientism. Your pastors are taking advantage of your trust and deference to authority.

I have read a lot of medical journals and trials actually and drawn my own conclusions.

Do you ever go to a doctor? Or are you more of a Belle Gibson type?

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

No. My daughter wasn't immunized. She's survived.................and I don't get flu shots either.

Serve yourself but don't tell others they should bend to the Pharmaceuticals.

I honestly could not give a **** how much profit pharmaceuticals turn. What I care about is that OTHER PEOPLE's health is put at risk by you not immunizing your child. My brother's mother in law, who has a suppressed immune system due to chemotherapy treatment, SHE could be effected. The elderly could be effected. That 6 week old baby who's at the doctor's for a health check, that baby could get whooping cough if your daughter contracted it and sought medical attention. Have you ever seen a child with whooping cough? It's an awful illness that would break your heart.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

I have read a lot of medical journals and trials actually and drawn my own conclusions.

Any particular studies you would like to cite?

They might come from one of the 43 papers which have been retracted due to the discovery that they are blatantly fraudulent and yet were passed off as 'peer reviewed'. Now who are these peers doing the reviews?

lol.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

I honestly could not give a **** how much profit pharmaceuticals turn. What I care about is that OTHER PEOPLE's health is put at risk by you not immunizing your child. My brother's mother in law, who has a suppressed immune system due to chemotherapy treatment, SHE could be effected. The elderly could be effected. That 6 week old baby who's at the doctor's for a health check, that baby could get whooping cough if your daughter contracted it and sought medical attention. Have you ever seen a child with whooping cough? It's an awful illness that would break your heart.

All these rhetorical appeals to emotion. Once the Scientism cult is exposed for what it is, watch the statists turn to their emotional ploys.

Guess what: Many parents have decided to 'think of the children' and looked into the 'science' behind mass vaccination for themselves. They have decided that they do not want to inject concoctions of big pharma chemicals into their children. As parents, that is their right.

And I look forward to the day when statists like you decide to come and force parents to inject their kids with chemicals. The parents will react as any good parents would react in that situation, and the statists will get exactly what they deserve.

 

[HARKER]

I honestly could not give a **** how much profit pharmaceuticals turn. What I care about is that OTHER PEOPLE's health is put at risk by you not immunizing your child. My brother's mother in law, who has a suppressed immune system due to chemotherapy treatment, SHE could be effected. The elderly could be effected. That 6 week old baby who's at the doctor's for a health check, that baby could get whooping cough if your daughter contracted it and sought medical attention. Have you ever seen a child with whooping cough? It's an awful illness that would break your heart.

Get back to me in 20 years time

No one wants to see children in pain and drugs do serve their purpose...........but that's not always the case.

I've had many interesting discussions with doctors over time, some I've known closely and some were just happy to talk openly.
It's interesting though when a doctor tells you "That doesn't work. We know that" It makes you think.....What else doesn't work?.....How do they know it doesn't work?.......Why would they continue to prescribe something that doesn't work?

If critical thinking is reduced to be a tin-foil hatter, then you've got me.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Get back to me in 20 years time

No one wants to see children in pain and drugs do serve their purpose...........but that's not always the case.

I've had many interesting discussions with doctors over time, some I've known closely and some were just happy to talk openly.
It's interesting though when a doctor tells you "That doesn't work. We know that" It makes you think.....What else doesn't work?.....How do they know it doesn't work?.......Why would they continue to prescribe something that doesn't work?

If critical thinking is reduced to be a tin-foil hatter, then you've got me.

Right. If being under 30 means my opinion isn't valid, then you've got me.