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Smiling Buddha said:
Are you seriously equating forced chemical injections into innocent children, with a grown adult visiting a GP of his own volition?

See, this is another reason why I post in threads like this. Allow the statists to reveal their warped 'thinking' patterns for what they are.
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No. That would be silly. It was a basic question just aimed at getting some insight about whether you trust medicine at all.
 
Catfish Alley said:
No. That would be silly. It was a basic question just aimed at getting some insight about whether you trust medicine at all.
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Medicine doesn't make itself :)

We need companies to do that and companies are made of people......some good.....some bad......just like anywhere.
 

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HARKER said:
All of a sudden there are genuine concerns for our consumption of fluoride and questions are being raised.
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no there isn't and no they're not. just because some uneducated moron has "unanswered questions" does not imply said questions are valid or worthwhile discussing. in adult world people don't have the time or interest to respond to every paranoid rumour.

HARKER said:
It just serves an individual to think as one and not simply accept the voice of authority because it's easy to do so.
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people like you are a perfect example why people should listen to relevant experts, and not think for themselves about a topic they clearly don't understand. if you're constantly coming up with the wrong answers, it's time to maybe listen to the experts. unless of course you're proud of the wanton ignorance.
 
Long Live HFC said:
no there isn't and no they're not. just because some uneducated moron has "unanswered questions" does not imply said questions are valid or worthwhile discussing. in adult world people don't have the time or interest to respond to every paranoid rumour.

people like you are a perfect example why people should listen to relevant experts, and not think for themselves about a topic they clearly don't understand. if you're constantly coming up with the wrong answers, it's time to maybe listen to the experts. unless of course you're proud of the wanton ignorance.
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The experts that gave us Thalidomide?
The experts that had no issue with Asbestos?

Just take.....................it will be fine...................don't think and look into things yourself.................the experts are never wrong.

People like you? What an idiotic statement.
You're the one that obviously gets around with your eyes closed.......except for TV.......lots of TV. Right?
 
Smiling Buddha said:
Are you disputing that the children are innocent? Or do your natural emotions kick in when you realise it is innocent children who are being injected with big pharma chemicals?
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It is sort of a convention that parents decide things for their children. I don't think a baby is capable of deciding something like this.
 
Long Live HFC said:
people like you are a perfect example why people should listen to relevant experts, and not think for themselves
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The catchcry of the statist. 'Don't think for yourself, do as you are told by the authorities!'.

This is why I have people like yourself on ignore. And ignoring your comments is what anybody who likes to think for themselves ought to do.

To think that just a few days ago this country was supposedly commemorating the men who went and died to fight authoritarian states, in the name of freedom, and here we have an avowed statist arguing against people thinking for themselves.

There you have it, casual readers. This is the kind of person pushing forced chemical injections upon you and your children. A person who says you shouldn't even think for yourself.

What a disgrace.
 
kickazz said:
It is sort of a convention that parents decide things for their children. I don't think a baby is capable of deciding something like this.
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I agree, which is why I point out the foolishness of the statists who want to take that right away from the parents.
 
Long Live HFC said:
more spoon feeding? if you feel so strongly about the issue, why do you not possess any information about it (nor know where to find some)?
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Because CS types don't 'do' answers, they just do questions. We all struggle to some degree with drawing conclusions from incomplete information, and want to ask more questions. They are just at the far end of that spectrum, where evidence supporting something 99.999% is still not enough.

That's my theory anyhow.
 
Smiling Buddha said:
Nobody is changing their mind on an internet forum. The best we can hope to do is show the casual reader that their own doubts and concerns about mass forced vaccinations is shared by others. The statists rely on group psychology, the power of conformity, etc, to gain public acceptance of the statist programs.
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I have changed my mind from stuff I've read on BF, mainly when people actually post reasoned thought-provoking posts with links to further reading. Can't say I've ever changed my mind based on a bunch of rhetoric and personal attacks.

Smiling Buddha said:
Where are the facts? It is the statists who are arguing that their position is backed by 'science'. Until they begin to provide evidence, how can you for a moment believe this debate is based on 'facts'?
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You posted a link regarding the fraudulent peer review of scientific articles - that was good. The rest of your crap, not so much.

Smiling Buddha said:
This is a debate premised and based on propaganda, which is why I post comments which destroy that propaganda. Scientism, statism, all depends on propaganda.
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you don't really destroy that propaganda though - only facts can do that.
 

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kickazz said:
Because CS types don't 'do' answers, they just do questions. We all struggle to some degree with drawing conclusions from incomplete information, and want to ask more questions. They are just at the far end of that spectrum, where evidence supporting something 99.999% is still not enough.

That's my theory anyhow.
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in my experience you are 100% correct.
 
Smiling Buddha said:
The catchcry of the statist. 'Don't think for yourself, do as you are told by the authorities!'.

This is why I have people like yourself on ignore. And ignoring your comments is what anybody who likes to think for themselves ought to do.

To think that just a few days ago this country was supposedly commemorating the men who went and died to fight authoritarian states, in the name of freedom, and here we have an avowed statist arguing against people thinking for themselves.

There you have it, casual readers. This is the kind of person pushing forced chemical injections upon you and your children. A person who says you shouldn't even think for yourself.

What a disgrace.
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Sure we all need to think for ourselves, but we do not have the resource to understand everything there is to understand from scratch. That's why we have experts who give us information, and why we have free speech and rigorous debate to challenge what they say to ensure it is the best info we can get.
 
kfc1 said:
I have changed my mind from stuff I've read on BF, mainly when people actually post reasoned thought-provoking posts with links to further reading. Can't say I've ever changed my mind based on a bunch of rhetoric and personal attacks.
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That is because, more than most in this country, you base your opinions on evidence and reason.

The statists, whether you understand this or not, know that the masses do not think this way. They follow crowd, and especially follow crowds of uniform opinion. Which is why the statists make a concerted effort to appeal to authority (Scientism) and attack those who do not follow the groupthink.

I do not post here to change the minds of people like yourself. You are smart enough to do your own research and realise that mass forced chemical injections of our young is a dangerous thing.
 
HARKER said:
People like you? What an idiotic statement.
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nope. I am extremely well-versed in people like you. you're extremely transparent and predictable, and easily fit inside the box I make for you. how similar you are to other conspiracy theorists is quite obvious to even the most casual of observers.

HARKER said:
You're the one that obviously gets around with your eyes closed.......except for TV.......lots of TV. Right?
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as above, this is a common accusation from morons whose simplistic worldviews can't account for dissent from educated people, so they invent traits for said people that bear no resemblance to the truth. FYI the only TV I watch is the footy. I happen to know quite a lot about the fluoridation paranoia, so yeah, I've done my due diligence. at least, I've been able to move beyond the "just asking questions" phase, which you're perpetually stuck in.
 

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Smiling Buddha said:
I agree, which is why I point out the foolishness of the statists who want to take that right away from the parents.
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I agree it should not be forced - many pro vaccination people are the same. Forcing people to do things is not the best path to go down.

I do believe that encouragement is ok though. And I think that is what is being proposed. No-one is forcing you to get the jabs. No one is forcing you to take your kid to childcare. No one is forcing you to take money from society for having children.

You could say that lumping these together as a "one in all in, one out, all out" 'atomic' type choice is somewhat coercive. Perhaps it is - but as a democracy it seems that most are content with the reasoning behind the choice.
 
kickazz said:
Sure we all need to think for ourselves, but we do not have the resource to understand everything there is to understand from scratch. That's why we have experts who give us information, and why we have free speech and rigorous debate to challenge what they say to ensure it is the best info we can get.
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1) Who are these 'experts'? What are their qualifications? Were they from a government-funded operation and if so, how credible are they?
2) You do not have 'free speech' or 'rigorous debate', the statists will not allow it. Look at what happened to Dr Sherri Tenpenny just a few months ago.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/heal...ancels-tour-of-australia-20150128-130qa4.html

If the statists and forced chemical injection crowd had facts on their side, they would allow debate. The fact that they shut down debate should be enough for you to work out this scam.
 
Smiling Buddha said:
1) Who are these 'experts'? What are their qualifications? Were they from a government-funded operation and if so, how credible are they?
2) You do not have 'free speech' or 'rigorous debate', the statists will not allow it. Look at what happened to Dr Sherri Tenpenny just a few months ago.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/heal...ancels-tour-of-australia-20150128-130qa4.html

If the statists and forced chemical injection crowd had facts on their side, they would allow debate. The fact that they shut down debate should be enough for you to work out this scam.
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I'm going to pull you up here, free speech and debating should always occur, it's when people like her start spreading lies and misinformation that causes fear-mongering amongst parents then something needs to be done.
 

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