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[JuddsABlue]

What are the examples of Governments requiring its citizens by law to have a particular substance injected/eaten/taken?

Has it ever happened? (not a rhetorical, I assume there is at least one example of something, so a serious question, trying to draw a comparison)

Its a very scary thought though

If you want to incentivise people to take immunisations then that's all well and good, if that's the stance the government wants to take, but to declare to unborn children of a nation that they must take whatever substance they choose as a birth right, that's a very scary idea.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

If you want to incentivise people to take immunisations then that's all well and good, if that's the stance the government wants to take, but to declare to unborn children of a nation that they must take whatever substance they choose as a birth right, that's a very scary idea.

Indeed, but only for those of us who can think ahead. It strikes me that those people who watch a lot of television often lose the ability to think through the consequences of these kinds of things, the precedents that are set.

Government having the right to inject chemicals into babies, against parents wishes? Only an out-and-out statist could even begin to support such a measure.

 

[Long Live HFC]

Maybe you can tell me?

tell you what? how old you are and what injections you've had?

I just think it's funny that people get so outraged by consenting adults injecting unknown substances, but will happily abide children (who're too young by law to give consent) being barraged with forced injections.

what a stupid comparison.

 

[Long Live HFC]

Perhaps in the mind of the statist. At best, a 'degree in immunology' might make it okay for a parent to inject chemicals into their own children.

At best.

as per usual you fail to address the points raised in my post. fact is you have NFI about vaccination so should STFU with your childish fear mongering.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

See how the statists resort to personal attacks when their Scientism and appeals to emotion are exposed?

Keep it coming, statists. Tell us how you want the government to treat you like cattle as per 'herd immunity'.

George Orwell's Animal Farm, take a bow.

 

[Long Live HFC]

See how the statists resort to personal attacks when their Scientism and appeals to emotion are exposed?

oh please. your entire rhetorical vehicle is brimming with emotional nonsense and loaded (emotional) language. that's actually all you do, given you have 0 logical or deductive skill.

big pharma. big government. scientism. medicine. it must suck being so afraid of everything.

 

[Nothing]

What are the examples of Governments requiring its citizens by law to have a particular substance injected/eaten/taken?

Has it ever happened? (not a rhetorical, I assume there is at least one example of something, so a serious question, trying to draw a comparison)

Its a very scary thought though

If you want to incentivise people to take immunisations then that's all well and good, if that's the stance the government wants to take, but to declare to unborn children of a nation that they must take whatever substance they choose as a birth right, that's a very scary idea.

Water in most Australian cities and towns has been fluoridised as with a large number of countries around the world. That decision has significantly improved oral health in many developing countries.

Next time you see a pom smile with their buck teeth, stained and falling out (sorry to our English brethren) wonder whether if the UK government had adopted fluoridation whether that could have been prevented.

Folate is now put into all bread and bread making flour, in the form of Folic acid. This helps with pregnant women and developing babies.

There's 2 of the top of my head, would you like me to spend a few seconds and google some more for you?

 

[kfc1]

See how the statists resort to personal attacks when their Scientism and appeals to emotion are exposed?

You aren't much better. Are you part of the disinformation crew? Cos your posting style makes it pretty difficult for anyone to get engaged with what you're saying.

 

[kfc1]

Water in most Australian cities and towns has been fluoridised as with a large number of countries around the world. That decision has significantly improved oral health in many developing countries.

Next time you see a pom smile with their buck teeth, stained and falling out (sorry to our English brethren) wonder whether if the UK government had adopted fluoridation whether that could have been prevented.

Folate is now put into all bread and bread making flour, in the form of Folic acid. This helps with pregnant women and developing babies.

There's 2 of the top of my head, would you like me to spend a few seconds and google some more for you?

pasteurised milk?

 

[JuddsABlue]

Water in most Australian cities and towns has been fluoridised as with a large number of countries around the world. That decision has significantly improved oral health in many developing countries.

Next time you see a pom smile with their buck teeth, stained and falling out (sorry to our English brethren) wonder whether if the UK government had adopted fluoridation whether that could have been prevented.

Folate is now put into all bread and bread making flour, in the form of Folic acid. This helps with pregnant women and developing babies.

There's 2 of the top of my head, would you like me to spend a few seconds and google some more for you?

That's not an example, it isn't a law.

Any parent can choose to give their child non fluoride water, theres no law that states we must drink fluoride water.

The water supply has fluoride yes, but we know that, and we have the option to purchase that water to drink, or purchase other water that does not contain fluoride and many people make this choice.

And on top of that, you're little passive aggressive jab at the end is very childish. I asked for real examples of law to use as a comparison, a genuine question, not asking for a smart ass response that was blatantly incorrect anyway.

 

[Nothing]

It's mandatory to include folate

The mandatory folic acid fortification Standard was accepted by Food Ministers in June 2007 and requires that all wheat flour for making bread (except organic) be fortified with folic acid. The mandatory Standard provides a two year implementation period, becoming enforceable in September 2009. During the two-year phase-in period, industry can add folic acid prior to the commencement date under the existing voluntary permissions, noting however this would require labelling changes. Mandatory folic acid fortification is in addition to the existing requirement for flour for making bread to contain added thiamin.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

kfc1 What's wrong with my 'posting style'? Putting statists in their rightful place and supporting the rights of parents to decide which chemicals are injected into their own children?

The minority of us who don't believe everything the tv tells us are up against a brainwashing machine so comprehensive that our fellow humans expect mass vaccination like a cattle farm. The tv has made it so that they see themselves as CATTLE. My 'posting style' is the least of our worries.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Perhaps in the mind of the statist. At best, a 'degree in immunology' might make it okay for a parent to inject chemicals into their own children.

At best.

This is very true. It's like how I never ever go inside a building. Because I'm not a qualified architect.

 

[kfc1]

kfc1 What's wrong with my 'posting style'? Putting statists in their rightful place and supporting the rights of parents to decide which chemicals are injected into their own children?

The minority of us who don't believe everything the tv tells us are up against a brainwashing machine so comprehensive that our fellow humans expect mass vaccination like a cattle farm. they see themselves as CATTLE. My 'posting style' is the least of our worries.

Your posting style is condescending and full of personal attacks and rhetoric, it's just on a different side to the 'statists'.
I'm at least one person who is quite open to what you have to say, and have agreed with you on plenty, but it is difficult to actually engage with what you write. If you actually want someone to change their mind, stick to the facts and leave the rest out of it. There is no benefit to your cause from insulting everyone and making a bunch of otherwise receptive people hate or ignore you.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

it must suck being so afraid of everything.

You tell me; you are the ones arguing that you need government to force you to put chemicals into babies to somehow protect you from something.

Water in most Australian cities and towns has been fluoridised as with a large number of countries around the world. That decision has significantly improved oral health in many developing countries.

Sources required.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Sources required.

Well, in my case it comes from the reservoir on top of a nearby hill.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

If you actually want someone to change their mind

Nobody is changing their mind on an internet forum. The best we can hope to do is show the casual reader that their own doubts and concerns about mass forced vaccinations is shared by others. The statists rely on group psychology, the power of conformity, etc, to gain public acceptance of the statist programs.

By simply posting as I do, showing the casual reader that there are others out there who see through the tv indoctrination, is enough to make it worthwhile.

stick to the facts and leave the rest out of it.

Where are the facts? It is the statists who are arguing that their position is backed by 'science'. Until they begin to provide evidence, how can you for a moment believe this debate is based on 'facts'?

This is a debate premised and based on propaganda, which is why I post comments which destroy that propaganda. Scientism, statism, all depends on propaganda.

 

[Catfish Alley]

You tell me; you are the ones arguing that you need government to force you to put chemicals into babies to somehow protect you from something.

Do you avoid doctors altogether?

 

[Long Live HFC]

You tell me; you are the ones arguing that you need government to force you to put chemicals into babies to somehow protect you from something.

please quote me where I've said anything approaching that.

you on the other hand, constantly on your moral high ground with petulant, ignorant diatribes about the things that you're (needlessly) afraid of. you spend hours on idiot forums that stoke your fearful fire. why are you so fearful of vaccines?

 

[HARKER]

That's not an example, it isn't a law.

Any parent can choose to give their child non fluoride water, theres no law that states we must drink fluoride water.

The water supply has fluoride yes, but we know that, and we have the option to purchase that water to drink, or purchase other water that does not contain fluoride and many people make this choice.

And on top of that, you're little passive aggressive jab at the end is very childish. I asked for real examples of law to use as a comparison, a genuine question, not asking for a smart ass response that was blatantly incorrect anyway.

They can and many choose to do so now but no-one even cared to consider any possible health issues 40 years ago......as long as it was good for my teeth??
All of a sudden there are genuine concerns for our consumption of fluoride and questions are being raised.

Anyone that thinks that mistakes (?) can't be made and that there may never be dual agendas in our governments consideration for us, should think again.............and it has nothing to do with being afraid.
It just serves an individual to think as one and not simply accept the voice of authority because it's easy to do so.

 

[HARKER]

Do you avoid doctors altogether?

Why would you avoid them?
They're a wealth of information and I may not even be here today, had I not been talking to doctors..........They opened up my eyes.

Every industry has its little dark self-serving secrets and the medical profession isn't exempt.

 

[Nothing]

Sources required.

The internet. D'uh. It's where all credible information comes from. I certainly wouldn't be relying on MSM.

http://bit.ly/1zbAHQn

 

[Smiling Buddha]

Do you avoid doctors altogether?

Are you seriously equating forced chemical injections into innocent children, with a grown adult visiting a GP of his own volition?

See, this is another reason why I post in threads like this. Allow the statists to reveal their warped 'thinking' patterns for what they are.

 

[Long Live HFC]

Where are the facts?

more spoon feeding? if you feel so strongly about the issue, why do you not possess any information about it (nor know where to find some)?

 

[Long Live HFC]

Are you seriously equating forced chemical injections into innocent children

and appeals to emotion are exposed?

you can't make this shit up. ohhh, won't somebody think of the "innocent children", waaaaaaah!