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So much name calling when you don’t like what you’re hearing. Leftist playbook rule #101.
Two year old girl allegedly raped in NT - systematic failure?
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Could these aboriginal children also been victims of a single mother upbringing as well?
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Not name calling when it's been proven true for a long time.
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I could dispute everything you stated but that discussion doesn't belong in this thread. You snipped the relevant part of what I said.
What happened back then should not prevent social services from doing the right thing now for these children that are in terrible situations.
But it's odd that you rant about what happened 150 years, but have nothing to say about an epidemic of children being abused right now.
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So your response to evidence of systematic racism is literally to say "but what about the white kids!"?
That's pretty much the definition of racism.
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150 years?
Apparently you need a maths class as well as history and civics classes. There are people on this board who were alive while we were still stealing children from their parents.
What's the point of commenting on what's happening now? We don't know the scale of it - it's certainly not an epidemic. And as I said on the first page - and as this thread (including yourself) has proven over and over - BF isn't mature enough to have an informed discussion about this. People just use little kids and our disgusting history of race relations to score really *in cheap political points.
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Good try at manipulationSo your response to evidence of systematic racism is literally to say "but what about the white kids!"?
That's pretty much the definition of racism.
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I don't know how bad the scale of the abuse would have to be before you thought it was worth commenting on, or described it as an epidemic. Evidence from this thread alone.
714 cases of sexual offence involving children under the age of 16 during the past five years in the Northern Territory.
The Robertson Report (2000: xiii) stated: 'Violence is now overt; murders, bashings and rapes, including sexual violence against children, have reached epidemic proportions with both Indigenous and non-Indigenous people being perpetrators.'
In Western Australia the rate of reports to police of sexual assault of Indigenous girls was approximately double that of non-Indigenous girls. Yet it is estimated that less than 30 per cent of sexual assaults on children are actually reported to police and that this reporting rate is lower in Indigenous communities than non-Indigenous communities. Further, it was noted in the Robertson Report (2000) that 88 per cent of all rapes in Indigenous communities go unreported.
In Roebourne, police figures showed 90 per cent of school-age children were suffering abuse. Thirty-six men have been charged with more than 300 offences against 184 children. The state's child protection minister said the scale of the epidemic was so vast that child sex abuse had become "normal" in the remote former gold rush town, which has a largely Aboriginal population of about 1,410.
Underage Aboriginal girls are now almost 60 times more likely to contract syphilis than their non-Aboriginal counterparts and 30 time more likely to contract gonorrhoea or trichomoniasis, according to official figures.
The Robertson Report (2000: xiii) stated: 'Violence is now overt; murders, bashings and rapes, including sexual violence against children, have reached epidemic proportions with both Indigenous and non-Indigenous people being perpetrators.'
In Western Australia the rate of reports to police of sexual assault of Indigenous girls was approximately double that of non-Indigenous girls. Yet it is estimated that less than 30 per cent of sexual assaults on children are actually reported to police and that this reporting rate is lower in Indigenous communities than non-Indigenous communities. Further, it was noted in the Robertson Report (2000) that 88 per cent of all rapes in Indigenous communities go unreported.
In Roebourne, police figures showed 90 per cent of school-age children were suffering abuse. Thirty-six men have been charged with more than 300 offences against 184 children. The state's child protection minister said the scale of the epidemic was so vast that child sex abuse had become "normal" in the remote former gold rush town, which has a largely Aboriginal population of about 1,410.
Underage Aboriginal girls are now almost 60 times more likely to contract syphilis than their non-Aboriginal counterparts and 30 time more likely to contract gonorrhoea or trichomoniasis, according to official figures.
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No it isn't.So your response to evidence of systematic racism is literally to say "but what about the white kids!"?
That's pretty much the definition of racism.
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We steal children from their parents every day. Look at the William Tyrrell case - the state confiscated him from his biological mother and put him in the care of foster parents. It didn't work, that little boy is probably dead now.
We do it on the basis that their parents aren't fit to raise children to a standard society accepts.
Was this the case with the indigenous in the 1870s? Yes, unequivocally so. The gap between indigenous living standards and white colonists was enormous then, and is still enormous between remote communities and the rest of Australia now.
Once advanced civilisation was established here that was always going to be the case. There is no way people raised in that culture can succeed in a sophisticated society.
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Relevant.So your response to evidence of systematic racism is literally to say "but what about the white kids!"?
That's pretty much the definition of racism.
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Whoever coined the phase "stolen" to describe the generation of saved aboriginal kids has inflicted grievous harm upon all subsequent generations. No-one is prepared to touch the massive inherent problems now out of fear of targeted by the virtue signalling fraternity who don't give a flying fig about these people. These babies are on their own!
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Off the top of my head, here's a few of the key breakdowns that need to be addressed.
(These are obviously through a WA prism, but I imagine there's crossover - particularly in the NT and Queensland)
Reporting: Child Protection officials are incredibly reluctant to accept reports from outside the mandatory reporting structure that governs doctors, teachers etc. A close friend in Leonora, for instance, spotted a group of Primary School-aged Aboriginal kids wandering the streets at 3-4am. When he took his report to the local DCP office, he was told that because there wasn't an obvious sign of abuse and couldn't identify the kids, it wasn't the department's problem. It's left up to police, who in the absence of an appropriate adult can't detain juveniles at Leonora Station (no child-appropriate facilities) or transport them to Kalgoorlie where there are (police aren't allowed to transport juveniles for longer than two hours.)
It means they're almost totally reliant on mandatory reporting (which is critical, but reactive) or reporting from within local Aboriginal communities (which does happen, but inconsistently - I've seen situations where people who have spoken out or contacted authorities have been shunned and ostracised by other, more senior community members.)
Staff: A lot of the key services (health, violence prevention, drug rehab, specialist health services) aren't delivered on the ground, but by the white four wheel drive brigade on a drive in, drive out or fly in, fly out basis. Senior agency staff, public servants and doctors are almost totally reluctant to take super-remote postings. It means the staff that do come out are new graduates without a lot of experience, who are forced into incredibly high-pressure roles without a lot of support and burn out quickly as a result.
That also leaves aside the fact that people who do take these postings often put themselves at serious risk of physical violence without much reward - Gayle Woodford being a salient example.
Leadership within communities: This varies widely - but from what I've seen; particularly in the Ngaanyatjarra Lands where I've spent a bit of time, communities where senior women have more cultural clout seem more willing to expose abusers and have them prosecuted. Leadership from within communities is fundamentally critical - what happened in Roebourne is a mirror image of the kind of closed shop abuse that saw Dennis McKenna protected for years in Katanning; its a failure of leaders within both communities that let this sort of vile s**t fester.
WAPOL's Child Abuse Squad runs periodic operations on this line that work quite well - not just investigating abusers, but building ties with community leaders, teaching kids its ok to talk to teachers/doctors/cops about what's going on at home, running clinics with kids etc. That's the type of thing that needs more funding.
(These are obviously through a WA prism, but I imagine there's crossover - particularly in the NT and Queensland)
Reporting: Child Protection officials are incredibly reluctant to accept reports from outside the mandatory reporting structure that governs doctors, teachers etc. A close friend in Leonora, for instance, spotted a group of Primary School-aged Aboriginal kids wandering the streets at 3-4am. When he took his report to the local DCP office, he was told that because there wasn't an obvious sign of abuse and couldn't identify the kids, it wasn't the department's problem. It's left up to police, who in the absence of an appropriate adult can't detain juveniles at Leonora Station (no child-appropriate facilities) or transport them to Kalgoorlie where there are (police aren't allowed to transport juveniles for longer than two hours.)
It means they're almost totally reliant on mandatory reporting (which is critical, but reactive) or reporting from within local Aboriginal communities (which does happen, but inconsistently - I've seen situations where people who have spoken out or contacted authorities have been shunned and ostracised by other, more senior community members.)
Staff: A lot of the key services (health, violence prevention, drug rehab, specialist health services) aren't delivered on the ground, but by the white four wheel drive brigade on a drive in, drive out or fly in, fly out basis. Senior agency staff, public servants and doctors are almost totally reluctant to take super-remote postings. It means the staff that do come out are new graduates without a lot of experience, who are forced into incredibly high-pressure roles without a lot of support and burn out quickly as a result.
That also leaves aside the fact that people who do take these postings often put themselves at serious risk of physical violence without much reward - Gayle Woodford being a salient example.
Leadership within communities: This varies widely - but from what I've seen; particularly in the Ngaanyatjarra Lands where I've spent a bit of time, communities where senior women have more cultural clout seem more willing to expose abusers and have them prosecuted. Leadership from within communities is fundamentally critical - what happened in Roebourne is a mirror image of the kind of closed shop abuse that saw Dennis McKenna protected for years in Katanning; its a failure of leaders within both communities that let this sort of vile s**t fester.
WAPOL's Child Abuse Squad runs periodic operations on this line that work quite well - not just investigating abusers, but building ties with community leaders, teaching kids its ok to talk to teachers/doctors/cops about what's going on at home, running clinics with kids etc. That's the type of thing that needs more funding.
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And now this story. It really beggars belief.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...y/news-story/ce4d9375dab56af04d58d8f275b231dd
Boy, 4, allegedly raped in NT remote community
Paul Toohey, News Corp Australia Network
March 26, 2018 7:17pm
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A four-year-old boy from the community of Ali Curung, 170km southeast of Tennant Creek, has been taken to Alice Springs for medical care after he was allegedly sexually assaulted on Sunday evening.
It is understood a 17-year-old is being held after the incident allegedly occurred behind the community’s Baptist Church.
Northern Territory police told News Corp Australia in a statement: “Police from the Northern Territory Child Abuse Taskforce are investigating the alleged sexual assault of a child in a remote Northern Territory community.
Paul Toohey, News Corp Australia Network
March 26, 2018 7:17pm
EXCLUSIVE
A four-year-old boy from the community of Ali Curung, 170km southeast of Tennant Creek, has been taken to Alice Springs for medical care after he was allegedly sexually assaulted on Sunday evening.
It is understood a 17-year-old is being held after the incident allegedly occurred behind the community’s Baptist Church.
Northern Territory police told News Corp Australia in a statement: “Police from the Northern Territory Child Abuse Taskforce are investigating the alleged sexual assault of a child in a remote Northern Territory community.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...y/news-story/ce4d9375dab56af04d58d8f275b231dd
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Another one has come out on top of the one.in the post below. The opinion of the naysayers that want to cry racist is irrelevant. The welfare of these children is paramount and serious action needs to be taken.
Tennant Creek region is not even close to the worst with the 90 percent of school aged children having been sexually assaulted in Roebourne.
Rosie Batty visited the area of Roebourne recently but in typical form of her she focused on adult women rather than the children as well, then posed for photos with other mainly white people.（the photo that accompanied an article where she specifically talks about indigenous violence）
Not denying the extremely serious situation for adult women and men victims of violence in that region.
At least the media is picking up on this extremely serious issue a little more now.
Another one has come out on top of the one.in the post below. The opinion of the naysayers that want to cry racist is irrelevant. The welfare of these children is paramount and serious action needs to be taken.
Tennant Creek region is not even close to the worst with the 90 percent of school aged children having been sexually assaulted in Roebourne.
Rosie Batty visited the area of Roebourne recently but in typical form of her she focused on adult women rather than the children as well, then posed for photos with other mainly white people.（the photo that accompanied an article where she specifically talks about indigenous violence）
Not denying the extremely serious situation for adult women and men victims of violence in that region.
At least the media is picking up on this extremely serious issue a little more now.
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I hate the fact that Aboriginal children in certain areas are being subjected to this. Some of the usual suspects would twist this into hating aboriginal people. All those cowards can get stuffed.
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http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...t/news-story/4f527c6fece509d5d438916c52fa2c39
Apparently stating facts about how Aboriginal children are being left in abusive situations because governments are too scared to step in is racist and worthy of a complaint.
Apparently stating facts about how Aboriginal children are being left in abusive situations because governments are too scared to step in is racist and worthy of a complaint.
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People like NSW Greens MP David Shoebridge and Victorian Greens MP Lidia Thorpe are both stupid and culpable. Instead of speaking out about child sexual abuse, they peddle lies and seek to silence those who do speak out about it.
NSW Greens MP David Shoebridge was one of those to lodge a formal complaint with ACMA, claiming panellist Prue MacSween had made “a highly offensive, racist and divisive statement”, and there was no attempt by host Samantha Armytage to condemn or rebuke it.
http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...t/news-story/4f527c6fece509d5d438916c52fa2c39
17,000 children in out-of-home-care across the country. It’s just ludicrous. Saying sorry says that you’re not going to do it again and we still continue to see our children being ripped out their mothers’ arms.
http://www.abc.net.au/radio/melbourne/programs/mornings/lidia-thorpe-sorry-day/9429602
It's so difficult for Child Protection staff to get involved. If the intrusion gets too deep the racist card is played and a stalemate is reached. Court intervention orders, in these situations, are difficult to achieve/obtain.
Oh and before anyone asks my wife just took a voluntary redundancy from WA CPFS and was part of a national planning team looking at how to best deliver services including to remote areas. The stories of the bleeding hearts becoming an obstruction to these kids being helped is real.
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The real problem is, it needs to be Aboriginal leaders demanding action. Then they can shout down the inner city do gooders who believe in the noble savage and think that any intervention is racist.
But there are far too many who profit from the divide and are okay with a little bit of misery.
True but there isn't an extra layer of those yelling "Racist." Trouble is, those doing the yelling are as per HairyO describes them above. No real idea of what it is like "on the ground" and have this philosophy of "leave them to their own devices."
Being honest, when I saw the email arrive letting me know there was a comment you were responding to, my first thought was who would make the comment about the stolen generation being myth. Then I saw I said it five years ago.
I am sorry for saying that, I was wrong. Whilst I originally believed that the stolen generations was a subset of a broader (wrong) belief in society that children should be removed at the hint of danger, I now understand how wrong I was - an education that I believe has been helped by reading the posts from people such as yourself who take the time to try and inform and discuss whilst never abusing others despite how difficult a topic it must be
I am sorry.
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Cheers mate. All good. Apologies for replying to such an old comment. Just get very sensitive about this topic. Thanks again. Happy to delete my comment if you like. Have deleted my original comment as I don't want to cause you any embarrassment when it is a genuine misunderstanding and a great learning.
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