Roast Tyson Stengle sacked after ****ing up again

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Isn't that what Reid does? Not really involved with the players daily.

Being based in Melbourne probably helps through lack of day to day contact.


Davis must use Teams enough to be his best mate to stay on the list though....

With the list yes

Not with weekly selections

Our end of season list management calls tend to be tougher than our weekly team selections

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Many wrote off Stengle as being not that good when he played for us.

But even among those of us that liked what they saw, I'm not sure anyone could have worked out a way that he could have stayed and thrived?

How about we just wear the fact that it didn't work out for us with Tyson, but good luck to him finding a spot on Geelong's list and making the most of it.

WWT Eagles worked it out

Why couldn't we?

 

[AFC979810]

WWT Eagles worked it out

Why couldn't we?

WWT was rocked by a weird camp & player exodus and then won the wooden spoon with a first year coach as well? We shoulda asked them!

Honestly, though why do you think 0 of the 18 other clubs took a chance on him during the mid season draft.

At the end of the 2020 season we also got rid of noted party boy and high draft pick Jordan Galluci. That was another good decision.

 

[BACCS]

WWT was rocked by a weird camp & player exodus and then won the wooden spoon with a first year coach as well? We shoulda asked them!

Honestly, though why do you think 0 of the 18 other clubs took a chance on him during the mid season draft.

At the end of the 2020 season we also got rid of noted party boy and high draft pick Jordan Galluci. That was another good decision.

Jimmy Rowe also dominated with the Eagles in 2020 (almost identical role and type of player to Stengle) and that hasn’t translated as well to AFL.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

WWT was rocked by a weird camp & player exodus and then won the wooden spoon with a first year coach as well? We shoulda asked them!

Honestly, though why do you think 0 of the 18 other clubs took a chance on him during the mid season draft.

At the end of the 2020 season we also got rid of noted party boy and high draft pick Jordan Galluci. That was another good decision.

They'll be asking themselves the same question

We should have known better than all of those clubs because he was in our house. We had the most knowledge and showed the poorest judgement.

It is actually hilarious. Posters who agreed with our decision to get rid of him at the time would have seen failure as evidence we got it right. If he didn't get picked up or did but played poorly. See? Good call Crows.

Instead the reverse happens - does get picked up and plays well. That's also evidence we got it right.

What outcome would have indicated we got it wrong in your eyes? There isn't one. No matter what happens it was the right call. That's a pretty cushy system of judgement.

 

[Soggy2112]

The club basically decided he wasn’t worth the trouble. It’s an understandable decision but can also be the wrong one.

You can guarantee that if Josh Rachele or Riley Thilthorpe did the same things they’d be given more leeway. If Billy Frampton

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or Jimmy Rowe got a DUI they’d be out of here immediately.

We got it wrong, no need to argue this, just accept it and move on. Our forward line talent is still looking pretty good without him.

 

[Interloperer]

I suspect the Crows are quietly stoked with his success. Given that he's probably cemented a decent AFL career now, he won't be joining any class actions in the near future.

 

[AFC979810]

What outcome would have indicated we got it wrong in your eyes? There isn't one. No matter what happens it was the right call. That's a pretty cushy system of judgement.

I would not have staunchly defended the decision If he was taken in the PSD. Or if Betts didn't publicly talk about how he fell off the rails when he moved back to Vic and that Stengle was moving back in with him in Geelong.

And everything isn't just this black and white.

Take the Gooch. Pretty widely acknowledged on here that dumping him was the right move. Would that be decision be considered wrong if he cleans up his act - gets taken by Carlton and has an All Australian season in 2023? I don't think it would.

 

[BACCS]

The club basically decided he wasn’t worth the trouble. It’s an understandable decision but can also be the wrong one.

You can guarantee that if Josh Rachele or Riley Thilthorpe did the same things they’d be given more leeway. If Billy Frampton or Jimmy Rowe got a DUI they’d be out of here immediately.

We got it wrong, no need to argue this, just accept it and move on. Our forward line talent is still looking pretty good without him.

It wasn't the DUI that got him a year out of the game, that only netted a 4 game suspension. He then had two more serious incidents that season. No player is getting leeway in that situation, especially a fringe player. People still haven't explained what we got wrong though, Adelaide offered him a contract after his season with the Eagles, he declined us to be with Betts in Geelong and the stars aligned for him with Geelong having the highest scoring key forward combo.

Or are you suggesting he didn't deserve a year long suspension after 3 major off field incidents in one season, in a time the club finished dead last and were still going through the camp shit?

 

[BACCS]

He'd be laughing at us now.

He got his contract paid out (presumably in full)
Got to play in a flag with his WWT mates
Picked straight back up onto an AFL list
All Australian
Minor premiership and possibly a flag in his first season at Geelong.

Strike three.

Delist.

 

[Soggy2112]

It wasn't the DUI that got him a year out of the game, that only netted a 4 game suspension. He then had two more serious incidents that season. No player is getting leeway in that situation, especially a fringe player. People still haven't explained what we got wrong though, Adelaide offered him a contract after his season with the Eagles, he declined us to be with Betts in Geelong and the stars aligned for him with Geelong having the highest scoring key forward combo.

Or are you suggesting he didn't deserve a year long suspension after 3 major off field incidents in one season, in a time the club finished dead last and were still going through the camp s**t?

The DUI is the only incident I consider major.

Yes, he needed to be smarter and keep his cocaine use private, but I really wouldn’t consider it a major indiscretion. Compare it to Bailey Smith, who got a three week suspension and the Dogs “wrapped their arms around him”.

I disagree that no player was getting leeway in Stengle’s situation. As I said, if Rachele or Thilthorpe did the same things I doubt we suspend them for a year.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Massive overreaction for nothing more than optics and to placate the apricot slice brigade do gooder nana’s that follow the club.. most of whom are that senile they wouldve forgotten about it all within the week.

I agree with you obviously but I’m not sure this is the reason they did it.

I just think it was both poor judgement and incompetence.

You needed the good judgement firstly to recognize that despite his issues, he could be a massive asset if handled correctly.

And then you needed the competence to handle it correctly, or at least bring in someone who can.

Geelong had both these attributes.

They firstly recognized he had what it takes talent-wise, and then they employed the right strategies to keep him on the straight and narrow.

You cannot just brush this off as Stengle finally getting his act together of his own accord.

That is not what happened, and anyone who has been in professional environments and dealt with people for more than half a day would know this.

 

[BACCS]

The DUI is the only incident I consider major.

Yes, he needed to be smarter and keep his cocaine use private, but I really wouldn’t consider it a major indiscretion. Compare it to Bailey Smith, who got a three week suspension and the Dogs “wrapped their arms around him”.

I disagree that no player was getting leeway in Stengle’s situation. As I said, if Rachele or Thilthorpe did the same things I doubt we suspend them for a year.

It wasn't a major one in isolation, but he had already ****ed up twice that season, 3 strikes in a season for any player is rare. If all he had done that season was the Crouch incident then of course he isn't getting suspended for a season, but breaking the trust again after the DUI is untenable.

Anyway, we have Rachele and soon Rankine, both are more than talented enough to be producing elite numbers as they mature. Rankine also has that extra element in his game of being able to provide defensive pressure like Charlie has, something that Stengle is below average at; he is basically at a similar level to Rowe in that regard.

 

[jackster83]

Laughing at the club that allowed him to have 3 major off field discretions in one season, that provided support off field and said if you can play a full season in the SANFL without getting in trouble then we will take you back? The one that then made good on the promise and offered a contract that he turned down because Betts went to Geelong? That club?

I can't reply to your later post, but yes, he'd be absolutely laughing his **** off at us. He won and we lost.

If we had sacked him on the spot, we could have at least used a SSP pick instead of having one less player on the list for half the season.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I can't reply to your later post, but yes, he'd be absolutely laughing his **** off at us. He won and we lost.

He lost leaving us the same way Jack Gunston did.

 

[BRL121]

“3 major off field discretions”

3 eh?..

1 more like it. Thats the DUI charge.

1 was for having a bit of Cocaine for personal use on him which is barely illegal these days and only gets you a fine.. because half of *ing society have gotten on the nose beers before. The s**t should be legalised.

What was the 3rd?.. being photographed sitting on a couch at a house party?. Wow, lets shoot the kid.

It was nothing short of a complete and utter joke the way the club treated this lad.

Massive overreaction for nothing more than optics and to placate the apricot slice brigade do gooder nana’s that follow the club.. most of whom are that senile they wouldve forgotten about it all within the week.

And wow, hasnt it blown up in their faces.

No amount of BACCS club bootlicking and suckholing changes that..

For someone as woke as you, that's some pretty ageist vilification. Mods!

 

[Soggy2112]

It wasn't a major one in isolation, but he had already *ed up twice that season, 3 strikes in a season for any player is rare. If all he had done that season was the Crouch incident then of course he isn't getting suspended for a season, but breaking the trust again after the DUI is untenable.

Anyway, we have Rachele and soon Rankine, both are more than talented enough to be producing elite numbers as they mature. Rankine also has that extra element in his game of being able to provide defensive pressure like Charlie has, something that Stengle is below average at; he is basically at a similar level to Rowe in that regard.

It’s rare, but I don’t think that means a suspension that essentially forced him out of the club was warranted. He was suspended not because they felt it was a fair punishment, but simply for the optics. My point is that if they thought Stengle was worth managing the media storm for they would have done it. The club obviously made a judgement call that he wasn’t, and in hindsight they were wrong.

 

[Rags_118]

I agree with you obviously but I’m not sure this is the reason they did it.

I just think it was both poor judgement and incompetence.

You needed the good judgement firstly to recognize that despite his issues, he could be a massive asset if handled correctly.

And then you needed the competence to handle it correctly, or at least bring in someone who can.

Geelong had both these attributes.

They firstly recognized he had what it takes talent-wise, and then they employed the right strategies to keep him on the straight and narrow.

You cannot just brush this off as Stengle finally getting his act together of his own accord.

That is not what happened, and anyone who has been in professional environments and dealt with people for more than half a day would know this.

I suspect that Geelong took him as a speculative free agency pick on near minimum wage for 2 years - hoping rather than expecting him to become a star. Hopefully his AA status now adds significantly to their salary cap challenge at his contract renewal.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

We got it wrong, no need to argue this, just accept it and move on. Our forward line talent is still looking pretty good without him.

Exactly. Take the L and move on.

We got burned for underrating Stengle and we got burned for taking a harsh stance when other sides have proven it's possible to discipline their wayward players without damaging their own club. The lesson here is that the club needs to be a lot smarter.

 

[1970crow]

Honestly, why don’t you just close this thread? Just like the Lyons thread, people are going to have polarizing views and never agree and it will always end in the same circular arguments.

Too real for you? Perhaps just accept that the battle here is lost and deploy your arsenal elsewhere. Nobody is forcing you to post in this thread. Well, at least none of your fellow posters are. Why you’re here, given your view on the thread, is a little confusing.

 

[Slippery Pete]

The lesson here is that the club needs to be a lot smarter.

Judging by your posts back then, so do you.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

Once again - your tirades are so long winded and just end up with weird rambling about Pyke and Burton which haven't been brought up on this thread.

It's completely understandable why the Club let Stengle go. He had 3 serious transgressions in a 9 month period, he cost us pick 68 to attain and had played 12 games in 2020 for a total of 8 goals. This wasn't a DeGoey/Martin situation.

more than 3 - he wasn't taking a football career seriously.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

“3 major off field discretions”

3 eh?..

1 more like it. Thats the DUI charge.

1 was for having a bit of Cocaine for personal use on him which is barely illegal these days and only gets you a fine.. because half of *ing society have gotten on the nose beers before. The s**t should be legalised.

What was the 3rd?.. being photographed sitting on a couch at a house party?. Wow, lets shoot the kid.

It was nothing short of a complete and utter joke the way the club treated this lad.

Massive overreaction for nothing more than optics and to placate the apricot slice brigade do gooder nana’s that follow the club.. most of whom are that senile they wouldve forgotten about it all within the week.

And wow, hasnt it blown up in their faces.

No amount of BACCS club bootlicking and suckholing changes that..

totally incorrect - it was actually more than 3 plus numerous failures on KPIs.

 

[Bearded Clam]

totally incorrect - it was actually more than 3 plus numerous failures on KPIs.

How do you know this?.

Can you name the “numerous” KPi’s he failed to reach please..

And name all the other “more than 3’s”… as his police record only shows 2 indescretions. The DUI in an unregisted vehicle and the cocaine possesion…

What were the others?..

 

[AFC979810]

How do you know this?.

Can you name the “numerous” KPi’s he failed to reach please..

And name all the other “more than 3’s”… as his police record only shows 2 indescretions. The DUI in an unregisted vehicle and the cocaine possesion…

What were the others?..

The third incident is the photo with Cocaine after his first two indiscretions.