Roast Tyson Stengle sacked after ****ing up again

[Mr_Moogle]

So you think it was B.Crouch decision despite nothing reported whereas Stengle has at least 2 incidents of cocaine use (provided the photo was of cocaine and a different scenario to the 1st).

I think a narrative that has Crouch being led astray by Stengle is pretty laughable. That being said, I don't think it actually matters. Fully grown adults need to take responsibility for themselves.

 

[ABAB]

Some on here said he would not get picked up at AFL level again lol. The guy was always going to be elite. He just needed support which the club wasn't willing to give him. The crows too easily ship a player off and keep good citizens like Mackay for 8 years passed his expiry date. No wonder we never win flags. We will likely see McHenry play 150 for the club.

"We never win flags", you do know we've won 2 back to back already which is very difficult to do so "never" lol.

Elite is a big call, I always thought he was going to be a good player but never thought he would reach the elite level as he doesn't have the speed attribute to get him to an elite small forward. However, he has got himself a lot fitter so he now get quality possessions further up the ground so he doesn't need to rely on his lack of pace which small forward like Cameron and Pickett need to do as they doesn't play further up the ground.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Some on here said he would not get picked up at AFL level again lol. The guy was always going to be elite. He just needed support which the club wasn't willing to give him. The crows too easily ship a player off and keep good citizens like Mackay for 8 years passed his expiry date. No wonder we never win flags. We will likely see McHenry play 150 for the club.

McHenry is a dead man walking the moment Nicks is let go. Providing he's not under contract, he'd be a monty for a Walsh/Petrenko style first meeting with the new coach.

 

[ABAB]

I think a narrative that has Crouch being led astray by Stengle is pretty laughable. That being said, I don't think it actually matters. Fully grown adults need to take responsibility for themselves.

I wouldn't say "pretty laughable" looking at situation presented and the hypothetical discussion was about who's decision it was at that time and not who led who astray and there's no arguing that this decision did cost B.Crouch's market value big time after the incident. If it was B.Crouch's then sure he got what he deserve and we were collateral, if it was equally both of their's then they got what they both deserve and we were collateral.

 

[LeftyLuke]

I wouldn't say "pretty laughable" looking at situation presented and the hypothetical discussion was about who's decision it was at that time and not who led who astray and there's no arguing that this decision did cost B.Crouch's market value big time after the incident. If it was B.Crouch's then sure he got what he deserve and we were collateral, if it was equally both of their's then they got what they both deserve and we were collateral.

80% of the player base do it in the offseason. The mistake they made was getting caught.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I would say "pretty laughable" looking at situation presented and the hypothetical discussion was about who decision it was and not who led who astray which did cost B.Crouch market value big time after the incident.

Can somebody translate this?

 

[ABAB]

80% of the player base do it in the offseason. The mistake they made was getting caught.

I'm sure some do (like in all society and employment) and they also take others recreational drugs as well but you seem certain in that percentage, are you the cocaine dealer for 80% of these AFL players?

 

[ABAB]

Can somebody translate this?

I meant to say "wouldn't" and have edited the post which LeftyLuke responded to.

 

[adelaidecrows]

The Crows need to use Stengle as a test case for the standards they want to keep moving forward. I think its clear that they scaped goated him for image on the back of the camp and the wooden spoon position we were in.

A review into it needs to be conducted.

• Did they use club circumstances to influence the decision of the punishment unfairly?
• Did they do everything in their power to create a nurturing environment to help Stengle, with whom they knew when they got him he had some issues?
• What other punishments were proposed? How was it they determined the one they came up with was the right one?

 

[ABAB]

The Crows need to use Stengle as a test case for the standards they want to keep moving forward. I think its clear that they scaped goated him for image on the back of the camp and the wooden spoon position we were in.

A review into it needs to be conducted.

• Did they use club circumstances to influence the decision of the punishment unfairly?
• Did they do everything in their power to create a nurturing environment to help Stengle, with whom they knew when they got him he had some issues?
• What other punishments were proposed? How was it they determined the one they came up with was the right one?

You don't think any other clubs would have got rid of a fringe player after a 2nd indiscretion?
And we knew Stengle has some issue when we recruited him? According to Mr_Moogle's, he isn't the type to take recreational drugs though let alone "lead" others to do the same.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

You don't think any other clubs would have got rid of a fringe player after a 2nd indiscretion?
And we knew Stengle has some issue when we recruited him? According to Mr_Moogle's, he isn't the type to take recreational drugs though let alone "lead" others to do the same.

Wtf are you on about? I said Stengle was the quiet/shy type, I didn't say he was a choir boy. I didn't even want to get into the "led astray" angle which was some bullshit you just made up.

 

[ABAB]

Wtf are you on about? I said Stengle was the quiet/shy type, I didn't say he was a choir boy. I didn't even want to get into the "led astray" angle which was some bullshit you just made up.

Same, I said "if" (provided the photo was of cocaine and a different situation to when he and B.Crouch got caught) then it wouldn't be "pretty laughable" this was more likely Stengle's decision don't you think?

 

[adelaidecrows]

You don't think any other clubs would have got rid of a fringe player after a 2nd indiscretion?
And we knew Stengle has some issue when we recruited him? According to Mr_Moogle's, he isn't the type to take recreational drugs though.

Thats not what I am saying. Its also not the argument. The argument is the process and what we do moving forward. Because at the end of the day, he is now a premiership player and an all australian within 18 months. That to me doesnt reflect fringe player status either. He was doing well in our forward line. So if the crows were more interested in protecting their image on the back of circumstances that Stengle had no part of, that is unfair. Geelong went out and got Eddie Betts to mentor him. What the hell did we do. We knew he had issues but we gave him no support. I think this decision needs to be reflected upon.

 

[Bearded Clam]

You don't think any other clubs would have got rid of a fringe player after a 2nd indiscretion?
And we knew Stengle has some issue when we recruited him? According to Mr_Moogle's, he isn't the type to take recreational drugs though let alone "lead" others to do the same.

What you should be also asking is..

Did they think he was just a “fringe player?.. and if so..

Why the fxxk was he seen as a fringe player?..

Seems like he’s always had a lot of talent and potential if you ask me..

Why couldnt the morons running our club at the time (many of the very same people that are still there now mind you) see this talent and potential and help nurture it?.

Isnt that what these people are paid big money to do?..

Its funny… With every desperate step you take to continue to lick the clubs boots…. With every new angle you come from to defend this shit. the worse the club looks!

 

[ABAB]

Thats not what I am saying. Its also not the argument. The argument is the process and what we do moving forward. Because at the end of the day, he is now a premiership player and an all australian within 18 months. That to me doesnt reflect fringe player status either. He was doing well in our forward line. So if the crows were more interested in protecting their image on the back of circumstances that Stengle had no part of, that is unfair. Geelong went out and got Eddie Betts to mentor him. What the hell did we do. We knew he had issues but we gave him no support. I think this decision needs to be reflected upon.

He wasn't a regular in the best 22, hence a fringe player so all credit to him for developing himself into an AA player by getting himself more fit and able impact more games playing up the ground.

 

[ABAB]

What you should be also asking is..

Did they think he was just a “fringe player?.. and if so..

Why the fxxk was he seen as a fringe player?..

Seems like he’s always had a lot of talent and potential if you ask me..

Why couldnt the morons running our club at the time (many of the very same people that are still there now mind you) see this talent and potential and help nurture it?.

Isnt that what these people are paid big money to do?..

Its funny… With every desperate step you take to continue to lick the clubs boots…. With every new angle you come from to defend this s**t. the worse the club looks!

Just stating the obvious, he wasn't in the best 22 and playing regular AFL games so he was seen as a fringe player. Like I said, had the same thing happen to Rankine he would get more leeway. That's how the industry works.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Just stating the obvious, he wasn't in the best 22 and playing regular AFL games so he was seen as a fringe player. Like I said, had the same thing happen to Rankine he would get more leeway. That's how the industry works.

He played 12 games for us in 2020.. and he was well on the way to cementing a spot in the best 22.. as a young player.

Your carrying on like he spent the entire time he was at the club playing in the SANFL side..

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Same, I said "if" (provided the photo was of cocaine and a different situation to when he and B.Crouch got caught) then it wouldn't be "pretty laughable" this was more Stengle's decision don't you think?

No. It's not a stretch for me to believe that a young, cashed up, country bloke like Crouch is like-minded in that regard.

 

[ABAB]

He played 12 games for us in 2020.. and he was well on the way to cementing a spot in the best 22.. as a young player.

Your carrying on like he spent the entire time he was at the club playing in the SANFL side..

Kind of surprise he played that much games TBH (I don't recall him having any influential or breakout game). Looks like he should have been dropped multiple times so hardly "cementing"......hence, fringe player.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Should have been dropped multiple times so hardly "cementing"......hence, fringe player.
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Do you have the memory of a goldfish?..

Being a forward in that 2020 crows side must have been fun..

He played 12 games and scored 8 goals..

How many games did murphy, rowe and mchenry kick this year in all their games?..

The morons, and you, clearly thought he was a fringe player..

And how fxxking wrong they, and you, have been proven to have been!

But keep digging..

 

[Croweater23]

That’s really easy to say, and it’s the sort of empty rationalisation that bad teams make regularly.

It sounds good, but there isn’t actually any basis at all for what it is claimed.



Bad apples? Again, the problem with this loose and flamboyant language is that there is zero substance (boom tish) behind it.

It’s just rationalisation.




so what you’re concluding is that we did everything right? Because that’s what you want to believe

The proof is in the pudding, and that proof does not suggest we made the right decisions, in the right way or even for the right reasons.

In essence, what you’re arguing is the “ahh but it’s different…” gambit

It’s not different

you’ve said a whole lot of nothing across three separate comments.

i’m not saying we should be commended for what was done or that we did everything right at all. in fact, if we were a better footy club with stronger leadership and a stronger culture we should and would have been able to turn him around.

the problem is, we weren’t. if you’ve ever managed a team you would understand the cancerous effect of troublesome behaviour on an already shaky foundation.

not sure what is flamboyant about saying someone was a bad apple but three major indiscretions across less than three years speaks for itself.

not sure where i said anything about “it being different”.

my point is that, all things considered, including the state of our club at the time, cutting him was the right decision.

there are a select few teams with the strength in their culture and leadership to turn him around like the Cats did. they had good people, brought in the right people, and did it perfectly.

 

[Southerntakeover]

We all want to be right and say we called it correct, have you seen the Fogarty thread lol.

Can you point me to where in that thread I can find you offering any defence of Fogarty?

 

[ABAB]

Do you have the memory of a goldfish?..

Being a forward in that 2020 crows side must have been fun..

He played 12 games and scored 8 goals..

How many games did murphy, rowe and mchenry kick this year in all their games?..

The morons, and you, clearly thought he was a fringe player..

And how fxxking wrong they, and you, have been proven to have been!

But keep digging..

I recall Rowe's first game against Carlton as a genuine small forward and thought WOW but didn't see this in any of Stengle games. McHenry and Murphy don't play like genuine small forwards, they play further up the ground which Stengle is playing exceptional at Geelong as he looks a lot fitter and also hitting the score board as a small forward.

 

[Southerntakeover]

you’ve said a whole lot of nothing across three separate comments.

i’m not saying we should be commended for what was done or that we did everything right at all. in fact, if we were a better footy club with stronger leadership and a stronger culture we should and would have been able to turn him around.

the problem is, we weren’t. if you’ve ever managed a team you would understand the cancerous effect of a bad influence on an already shaky foundation.

not sure what is flamboyant about saying someone was a bad apple but three major indiscretions across less than three years speaks for itself.

not sure where i said anything about “it being different”.

my point is that, all things considered, including the state of our club at the time, cutting him was the right decision.

there are a select few teams with the strength in their culture and leadership to turn him around like the Cats did. they had good people, brought in the right people, and did it perfectly.

Cancerous? WTF. What an absurd slur. There is no evidence whatsoever that he damaged our locker room morale at all. None.

 

[ABAB]

Can you point me to where in that thread I can find you offering any defence of Fogarty?

I've never ever said he was a bust. I said if he can get AFL fit, he can develop into a Petracca type midfielder as I've seen him display this power movement in his early games for short period and he is very quick in the first 20m.