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Oh and players of quality to sit on benches. Giroud and Morata are often on the bench at Chelsea. Martial rides the pine at United. Sturridge and Shaq with us. I call bullshit that you cant find a good striker who will come to Spurs. Doesnt have to be a player of supreme quality. What about somebody like Breel Embolo, you are in a situation that we used to be in.

Not quite shopping from the top shelf. So you gotta find those next level down guys who are about to take the step up. We did it successfully for years to help compete when we didnt have the money to battle the big clubs. Mascherano, Alonso, Torres, Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling. Gambles. Young players needing chances, players just on the next level down from the top who you hope take that next step with you.

It's bullshit Spurs cant find a player of this ilk to come in.
I don't see what's incorrect here.
 

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I have a feeling Spurs will bring a player or players in next January. Unless of course Levy has no issues in missing the top 4.
They'll take 6 months to get up to speed like Lucas. We have to hope United and Arsenal struggle to make it
 

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I was surprised at how sluggish he looked. Would Pep bring someone in Jan to replace him? Could Delph do a job in the middle there perhaps?
i doubt it. i think it just highlights how important kdb is to the team though. sure, the team still looks good (on paper) without him, but the drop off in quality is huge. he is now capable of dictating the pace of the game and if he plays vs lyon, those mistakes arent allowed to happen.
 

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FFS jod, this is embarrassing from you...

Oh and players of quality to sit on benches. Giroud and Morata are often on the bench at Chelsea.
Because they're about equal in ability and give each other competition :rolleyes:

Giroud is the more proven PL performer also, even though he's older and doesn't have much resale value now..

Martial rides the pine at United.
I wonder why :think:

Maybe it's to do with a former Arsenal star who gets 500gazillionthousands a week to do **** all, but they're still persisting with said former Arsenal star in the hope he doesn't become a flop.

Anthony wanted out too by the way this transfer period just gone...yet don't let the facts get in the way of a good story to suit your argument :$
Sturridge and Shaq with us.
Because that's their level now at Liverpool, starter at relegation candidates like Stoke and West Brom, or sit on the bench at Liverpool and be depth. They don't want to play in the Championship...

Someone like Ings got sick and tired of sitting on your bench or getting injured himself, now he's getting a proper run at it elsewhere. Sturridge arguably takes up Ings' old role these days seeing that a number of players are now ahead of him and Sturridge is injury prone himself.

Mane and Firmino largely made Origi redundant too, a player who can play outwide or upfront.
I call bullshit that you cant find a good striker who will come to Spurs. Doesnt have to be a player of supreme quality. What about somebody like Breel Embolo, you are in a situation that we used to be in.

Not quite shopping from the top shelf. So you gotta find those next level down guys who are about to take the step up. We did it successfully for years to help compete when we didnt have the money to battle the big clubs.
Llorente was quality once upon a time but is just depth for us at the twilight of his career. Son can play upfront himself and is very comparable to the greatest striker in the world that is Bobby Firmino who used to be an attacking mid by the way...

Gashsen = Embolo, Gashsen was going ok at Fenerbache on loan before he got injured last season. Some players don't make it in the PL, it happens, but he was a starter for The Netherlands when he arrived for us and people thought he was a good buy at the time.
Mascherano, Alonso, Torres, Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling. Gambles. Young players needing chances, players just on the next level down from the top who you hope take that next step with you.

It's bullshit Spurs cant find a player of this ilk to come in.
**** me this is some A grade biased shit dribbling joddy

You know we did buy the likes of Lamela, Dier, Eriksen, Alli, Wanyama, Son, Trippier, Davies, Sanchez etc just before peak age once upon a time and I'm sure we'll do so again in due course once they're moved on and we'll need to invest and replace again...at the moment we are just slowly promoting youf into the squad. We also have started to buy prime age players over the last three years like Alderweireld, Aurier and Lucas and hopefully we continue to do so. I'm quite happy with PSG expendables to be honest, just like how Arsenal and Chelsea were happy with Barcelona and Real Madrid expendables like Ozil, Sanchez, Morata, Pedro etc.

Go through our club thread and find my post on our list of players who played World Cup or were injured at the end of last season and are only just returning to action and you'll find an answer why we may not be performing as well currently...along with the odd mistake from the likes of Vertonghen, Vorm, Trippier, Dier etc and shit in game management from Poch which has cost us the last few weeks.

That being said, our draw opens up a little bit in the league now, we just need to get our flat track bully on and play ourselves back into form in the next month before we start playing 4 London derbies in short succession around late October to early December with Man City also in that timeframe.

Will be interesting to see how Liverpool go with everyone out at AFCON in a few months, is that 3 big cogs out for a period? (I haven't checked who's playing in it)...Gotta hope you have a 10 point lead over Chelsea and City by then to be safe or that Keita, Mane, Salah etc flop and come back to the squad quick enough.
 

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Go through our club thread and find my post on our list of players who played World Cup or were injured at the end of last season and are only just returning to action and you'll find an answer why we may not be performing as well currently...along with the odd mistake from the likes of Vertonghen, Vorm, Trippier, Dier etc and shit in game management from Poch which has cost us the last few weeks.
We could have helped ourselves and bought 3-4 players to not rely on that bunch

Will be interesting to see how Liverpool go with everyone out at AFCON in a few months, is that 3 big cogs out for a period? (I haven't checked who's playing in it)...Gotta hope you have a 10 point lead over Chelsea and City by then to be safe or that Keita, Mane, Salah etc flop and come back to the squad quick enough.
Its in june now
 

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Gashsen = Embolo, Gashsen was going ok at Fenerbache on loan before he got injured last season. Some players don't make it in the PL, it happens, but he was a starter for The Netherlands when he arrived for us and people thought he was a good buy at the time.
Embolo can play wide like Son if need be. Gashen can only play ST and poorly at that!
 

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Embolo can play wide like Son if need be. Gashen can only play ST and poorly at that!
Moreso referring to age and potential, Gashsen actually was seen as someone who had potential when we bought him. Potentially he may still make it elsewhere, be it back in Holland or Turkey or even somewhere like Germany.

Embolo = Origi then, while Son is way above that level.
We could have helped ourselves and bought 3-4 players to not rely on that bunch
Would we have gotten anything for Llorente? If we would have gotten say 5 mill for him then Gashsen is probably back in the squad behind Kane and Son
Gashsen was already outside our squad of 25 last season, ditto Nkoudou who is only in there by a thread right now, who replaces say Nkoudou as we don't exactly have heaps of squad spots? Grealish? Wouldn't get much for them two either.
Dembeles main suitors in Inter raided Roma and Juve instead to bolster their midfield, he'll leave on a Bosman next year now you'd think and that gives us time to scout a replacement (this just has to happen next season, seems we were interested in Brozovic or N'dombele here)
Wanyama, coming off a long layoff, Levy hates selling low, ditto Lamela. I don't know what their contract status is but a solid season may inflate their value again next year should they be deemed surplus by then
Alderweireld was the main one, yet Tobys management and United stuffed that one up, let's see how it pans out in January or next summer window if he hasn't recommitted to the club by then

The only home grown who may currently be expendable is Rose, I doubt any of the others are available unless a suitor pays through the nose
Its in june now
Wowee, it's all falling into place for Liverpool then

Wonder how they'll **** this one up this time around?
 

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Embolo = Origi then, while Son is way above that level.
Fair enough that Son is our #2 striker but an Origi/Embolo as our #3 is still better than Lolrente who is redundant and a waste of a squad spot as is Janssen.

Gashsen was already outside our squad of 25 last season, ditto Nkoudou who is only in there by a thread right now, who replaces say Nkoudou as we don't exactly have heaps of squad spots? Grealish? Wouldn't get much for them two either.
We made our own HG mess by having 3 non-HG GKs. If that was just 2 we'd have an extra spot and not have to sign Grealish but sign N'Domble.

Dembeles main suitors in Inter raided Roma and Juve instead to bolster their midfield, he'll leave on a Bosman next year now you'd think and that gives us time to scout a replacement (this just has to happen next season, seems we were interested in Brozovic or N'dombele here)
He was linked with China too. We should have sold him rather than let him go for free for two reasons. One it's 10-15m that we won't be getting in 12 months. Two he isn't capable of playing 2 games a week anymore and we dont have a like for like replacement for him to rotate him as we need to.

If we sold Dembele, Lolrente & one of Gazzaniga or Vorm we'd have been able to sign 3 non-HGs. We cocked (pun intended) up a good situation and we are now back with the pack behind the top 3 imo
 

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Can Spurs claim another putting the pressure on title if they finish a close third this year in their CL group?
 

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Fair enough that Son is our #2 striker but an Origi/Embolo as our #3 is still better than Lolrente who is redundant and a waste of a squad spot as is Janssen.
Maybe Levy saw no value there

Moura is playing like a second striker currently too and potentially they thought that type of role could be played by Moura along with his wing-forward and winger roles (similarly with Son too), we all know Poch loves his flexibility
We made our own HG mess by having 3 non-HG GKs. If that was just 2 we'd have an extra spot and not have to sign Grealish but sign N'Domble.
Yes I agree on this, City and Chelsea regularly have a HG third type over the years like Wright, Taylor, Turnbull and now Green, while United just went and bought Stokes back up to be their back up

We should be at least looking at a HG youf kid who could play this third role eventually while playing in our under 23s every week while Lloris and whoever is our number two is fit so we can use an extra squad spot elsewhere, preferably on a midfielder of some sort
He was linked with China too. We should have sold him rather than let him go for free for two reasons. One it's 10-15m that we won't be getting in 12 months. Two he isn't capable of playing 2 games a week anymore and we dont have a like for like replacement for him to rotate him as we need to.

If we sold Dembele, Lolrente & one of Gazzaniga or Vorm we'd have been able to sign 3 non-HGs. We cocked (pun intended) up a good situation and we are now back with the pack behind the top 3 imo
Did Dembele want to go to China though? I reckon he still wants to win something in Europe and it seems there weren't many suitors for him in Europe.

Who knows who was in for our surplus players? Only Gashsen and Sissoko had interest from Turkey IIRC, while Newcastle thought about Gashsen yet went Rondon instead.
 

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This Spurs stuff is getting monotonous. Take it to the yid thread or PM.

On second thought Spurs posters and PM's don't have a great history on this board so maybe stick to the yid thread !
 

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This Spurs stuff is getting monotonous. Take it to the yid thread or PM.
Thanks jod, thanks ADL and whoever else...

Already gave the no where to be seen Manure flogs a whack yesterday for not bothering to deflect this thread away from us...

Maybe it's time for the Liverpool and Spurs fred to be revived...
On second thought Spurs posters and PM's don't have a great history on this board so maybe stick to the yid thread !
He's still living rent free around here :D
 

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Thanks jod, thanks ADL and whoever else...

Already gave the no where to be seen Manure flogs a whack yesterday for not bothering to deflect this thread away from us...

Maybe it's time for the Liverpool and Spurs fred to be revived...

He's still living rent free around here :D
Haha why would we do that?

Great reading the last couple of pages.
 

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FFS jod, this is embarrassing from you...


Because they're about equal in ability and give each other competition :rolleyes:

Giroud is the more proven PL performer also, even though he's older and doesn't have much resale value now..


I wonder why :think:

Maybe it's to do with a former Arsenal star who gets 500gazillionthousands a week to do **** all, but they're still persisting with said former Arsenal star in the hope he doesn't become a flop.

Anthony wanted out too by the way this transfer period just gone...yet don't let the facts get in the way of a good story to suit your argument :$

Because that's their level now at Liverpool, starter at relegation candidates like Stoke and West Brom, or sit on the bench at Liverpool and be depth. They don't want to play in the Championship...

Someone like Ings got sick and tired of sitting on your bench or getting injured himself, now he's getting a proper run at it elsewhere. Sturridge arguably takes up Ings' old role these days seeing that a number of players are now ahead of him and Sturridge is injury prone himself.

Mane and Firmino largely made Origi redundant too, a player who can play outwide or upfront.

Llorente was quality once upon a time but is just depth for us at the twilight of his career. Son can play upfront himself and is very comparable to the greatest striker in the world that is Bobby Firmino who used to be an attacking mid by the way...

Gashsen = Embolo, Gashsen was going ok at Fenerbache on loan before he got injured last season. Some players don't make it in the PL, it happens, but he was a starter for The Netherlands when he arrived for us and people thought he was a good buy at the time.

**** me this is some A grade biased shit dribbling joddy

You know we did buy the likes of Lamela, Dier, Eriksen, Alli, Wanyama, Son, Trippier, Davies, Sanchez etc just before peak age once upon a time and I'm sure we'll do so again in due course once they're moved on and we'll need to invest and replace again...at the moment we are just slowly promoting youf into the squad. We also have started to buy prime age players over the last three years like Alderweireld, Aurier and Lucas and hopefully we continue to do so. I'm quite happy with PSG expendables to be honest, just like how Arsenal and Chelsea were happy with Barcelona and Real Madrid expendables like Ozil, Sanchez, Morata, Pedro etc.

Go through our club thread and find my post on our list of players who played World Cup or were injured at the end of last season and are only just returning to action and you'll find an answer why we may not be performing as well currently...along with the odd mistake from the likes of Vertonghen, Vorm, Trippier, Dier etc and shit in game management from Poch which has cost us the last few weeks.

That being said, our draw opens up a little bit in the league now, we just need to get our flat track bully on and play ourselves back into form in the next month before we start playing 4 London derbies in short succession around late October to early December with Man City also in that timeframe.

Will be interesting to see how Liverpool go with everyone out at AFCON in a few months, is that 3 big cogs out for a period? (I haven't checked who's playing in it)...Gotta hope you have a 10 point lead over Chelsea and City by then to be safe or that Keita, Mane, Salah etc flop and come back to the squad quick enough.
All I read here was excuses. You've been brainwashed by Levy or Poch or something to the point where you seem to think it's totally cool that you didnt buy anyone and that not improving or adding to your squad will have no detrimental effect to performances.

You talk about Giroud, Ings, Sturridge, Shaq, Martial, etc but at the end of the day, these are quality footballers playing at other top clubs who are behind better players. If other top clubs can find guys like this. Why cant Spurs. It's absolute bullshit that you think nobody will play for you because you have Kane.

No idea what you're talking about with AFCON. It's been moved to offseason now. So we will never lose any players because of it.

And even if AFCON hadnt been moved. That's why we have Shaqiri, Sturridge, Origi, Lallana to fill in for guys like Mane or Salah. Keita in midfield. Henderson, Milner, Fabinho, Wijnaldum etc. Because you know, we bought players to have depth, which you guys didnt do.

That's all im arguing. Not buying anybody in the summer has hurt the squad. Hence the poor start to the season and what im sure will continue throughout the season.
 

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All I read here was excuses. You've been brainwashed by Levy or Poch or something to the point where you seem to think it's totally cool that you didnt buy anyone and that not improving or adding to your squad will have no detrimental effect to performances.

You talk about Giroud, Ings, Sturridge, Shaq, Martial, etc but at the end of the day, these are quality footballers playing at other top clubs who are behind better players. If other top clubs can find guys like this. Why cant Spurs. It's absolute bullshit that you think nobody will play for you because you have Kane.

No idea what you're talking about with AFCON. It's been moved to offseason now. So we will never lose any players because of it.

And even if AFCON hadnt been moved. That's why we have Shaqiri, Sturridge, Origi, Lallana to fill in for guys like Mane or Salah. Keita in midfield. Henderson, Milner, Fabinho, Wijnaldum etc. Because you know, we bought players to have depth, which you guys didnt do.

That's all im arguing. Not buying anybody in the summer has hurt the squad. Hence the poor start to the season and what im sure will continue throughout the season.
Nice melt

Your ignorance and bias is hilarious friend
 

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We ran the gauntlet hoping for no injuries during pre-season and none of our squad going deep into the WC. Our squad of 26 can be broken into 6 categories.

WC final games / 4 day pre-season: Lloris, Trippier, Rose, Toby, JV, Kane, Dier, Dembele, Dele (8 outfield players + 1 GK)

Full Pre Season: Vorm, Gazzaniga, N'Koudou, Walker-Peters, Aurier, Lolrente, Lucas, Davies (6 outfield players + GK)

Picked up a pre season injury: Lamela, Sissoko, Foyth (3 outfield players)

Long-term injury recovery: Winks, Janssen, Wanyama (3 outfield players)

WC knockouts / half a pre-season: Eriksen, Sanchez (2 outfield players)

Asian Games and out for 4 weeks: Son (1 outfield player)

Ideally we should be looking to play 7-8 players in our starting XI from the highlighted in green groups. With 3-4 players coming in short of fitness. In reality we've been going in with just 2-3 from that group in green. Funnily enough our best performers so far this season have come from that green section Lucas & Aurier but some people seem to think that's a coincidence.

Sure the club can't predict how far England/Belgium are going to go in the WC but they should at least expect 1 of the 2 to make it as far as they did. They should also know that the 3 recovering from injury aren't going to be ready early on, they should also count on Lamela getting an injury.

For those that can't put 2 & 2 together and get 4 I'll explain how signings can help lol. If we signed 2-3 players like Grealish, Martial, N'Domble they would all fit into the green Full Pre Season grouping (unless they got unlucky and got injured) giving us 8-9 outfield players to pick from that are fully fit increasing the chances of having competent footballers on the pitch for 90 mins rather than ones that aren't fit and making uncharacteristic mistakes (JV, Kane, Toby, Dembele, Dier, Trippier). There's also not a single CM in that group which is why we've looked so poor in large parts of EVERY game this season. Yes even the 3 wins we had we weren't that good. Newcastle should have scored an equaliser in the 2nd half, Fulham bossed the 2nd half until Trippier scored from a FK, United bossed the 1st half and we scored against the run of play from a Trippier corner & then the 3 losses in a row speak for themselves.
 
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