UFC 309

[HirdsTheWord]

Might as well stay active rather than getting in and out of shape then

This layoff will all be about contract negotiations. UFC will freeze him out and claim he doesnt want to fight

meh the big dog eats when it wants too.

JJ has earned the right to fight on his terms, i loved to see him fight as much as AP does, but he's getting old now.

 

[Topkent]

Might as well stay active rather than getting in and out of shape then

This layoff will all be about contract negotiations. UFC will freeze him out and claim he doesnt want to fight

Problem is I think bones wants to be paid like he's Conor but I don't think these guys understand Conor was paid half for his in cage performance but half for his out of cage work. Jones is a great fighter but he's an awful promoter outside of trying to kill DC

 

[burge13]

Problem is I think bones wants to be paid like he's Conor but I don't think these guys understand Conor was paid half for his in cage performance but half for his out of cage work. Jones is a great fighter but he's an awful promoter outside of trying to kill DC

People underestimate Jones draw IMO. He'd be their biggest seller right now

Also so dumb for fans to be against "he wants to be paid more", the whole UFC model is built on 80% profit margins. They can afford to pay fighters more. **** them tbh, stop falling for their shit (not you even though you're kind of doing it here)

We missed out on Jones v Ngannou, we'll possibly miss Jones v Aspinall. There's a stack of great fights we missed out on due to UFC stinginess. If everyone stopped parroting Dana rhetoric and siding with them on fighter pay we might actually get the fights we want & the fighters being more active

 

[Topkent]

People underestimate Jones draw IMO. He'd be their biggest seller right now

Also so dumb for fans to be against "he wants to be paid more", the whole UFC model is built on 80% profit margins. They can afford to pay fighters more. **** them tbh, stop falling for their shit (not you even though you're kind of doing it here)

We missed out on Jones v Ngannou, we'll possibly miss Jones v Aspinall. There's a stack of great fights we missed out on due to UFC stinginess. If everyone stopped parroting Dana rhetoric and siding with them on fighter pay we might actually get the fights we want & the fighters being more active

I'm more saying it depends where the actual truth lies in what's offered. If Jones wants the 20m fight purse I'm not sure the ufc can or will offer it, however 2 million is unders. I think if they can get to 10-12 million for the aspinall fight I think both would do it.

 

[burge13]

I'm more saying it depends where the actual truth lies in what's offered. If Jones wants the 20m fight purse I'm not sure the ufc can or will offer it, however 2 million is unders. I think if they can get to 10-12 million for the aspinall fight I think both would do it.

The UFC can very, very easily pay him $20m. If he were a boxer with his PPV sales he'd likely make double that still

The fight will do at least 800k buys (plus Canada and Australia). at $69.95 per pop that's $56m excluding gate, merch, ads etc.

The UFC do not need to take 80%.

I also don't understand fans fascination with the UFC books. Dana doesn't need another Ferrari, Ari definitely doesn't need more money, yet fans would prefer that than the actual talent making their worth?!

 

[Topkent]

The UFC can very, very easily pay him $20m. If he were a boxer with his PPV sales he'd likely make double that still

The fight will do at least 800k buys (plus Canada and Australia). at $69.95 per pop that's $56m excluding gate, merch, ads etc.

The UFC do not need to take 80%.

I also don't understand fans fascination with the UFC books. Dana doesn't need another Ferrari, Ari definitely doesn't need more money, yet fans would prefer that than the actual talent making their worth?!

Eh I'm not against them making the money, I just don't want them to turn into boxing cards with absolutely nothing under the main event and then the guys only fighting once a year. I'm fine with him making 50m if he fights more than once every 2 years

 

[burge13]

Eh I'm not against them making the money, I just don't want them to turn into boxing cards with absolutely nothing under the main event and then the guys only fighting once a year. I'm fine with him making 50m if he fights more than once every 2 years

Inactivity is also the UFC fault. They have too many people signed!

UFC guys aren't really fighting any more than boxers. AJs fought more than many top HW for example

Undercards already have barely anyone on them. The UFC does a better job of making jobbers feel big though which makes many cards feel better than they really are

12 v 14 in the rankings gets shit on in boxing but UFC this would be considered a good fight. It's perception overall that UFC does things better but when you actually critique it, do they?

 

[The Casey Cat]

The UFC can very, very easily pay him $20m. If he were a boxer with his PPV sales he'd likely make double that still

The fight will do at least 800k buys (plus Canada and Australia). at $69.95 per pop that's $56m excluding gate, merch, ads etc.

The UFC do not need to take 80%.

I also don't understand fans fascination with the UFC books. Dana doesn't need another Ferrari, Ari definitely doesn't need more money, yet fans would prefer that than the actual talent making their worth?!

The insane profits UFC strives for may also be to prop up their parent company Endeavour. Apart from UFC and WWE just about everything else they have interest in doesn't do very well.

 

[Topkent]

Inactivity is also the UFC fault. They have too many people signed!

UFC guys aren't really fighting any more than boxers. AJs fought more than many top HW for example

Undercards already have barely anyone on them. The UFC does a better job of making jobbers feel big though which makes many cards feel better than they really are

12 v 14 in the rankings gets shit on in boxing but UFC this would be considered a good fight. It's perception overall that UFC does things better but when you actually critique it, do they?

Haha I dunno mate I'm a little less on the hate train of the UFC than you. Probably because AFLs all shit and woke now and I can't get into the American sports it's about all I have left.

 

[burge13]

Haha I dunno mate I'm a little less on the hate train of the UFC than you. Probably because AFLs all shit and woke now and I can't get into the American sports it's about all I have left.

I dont 'hate it' but I struggle to comprehend the rhetoric the UFC are doing things way better than boxing when the reasons they do so much better aren't factual. They do market themselves infinitely better. I do follow it a lot less now though, especially since the gambling ban in SA. Quickly realized I followed it as a 2nd job rather than as a legitimate fan. Barely miss it since I largely stopped paying attention

Saying 'he is asking for too much money' does shit me though! Why fans would side with Dana after 989264788276176x he makes the claim "he doesnt want to fight any more" and the fact is he won't pay is beyond me haha

Don't blame anyone moving off footy even though I haven't. NBA is a good follow, NHL was the best sport I went to but can't follow it as easily.

 

[Topkent]

I dont 'hate it' but I struggle to comprehend the rhetoric the UFC are doing things way better than boxing when the reasons they do so much better aren't factual. They do market themselves infinitely better. I do follow it a lot less now though, especially since the gambling ban in SA. Quickly realized I followed it as a 2nd job rather than as a legitimate fan. Barely miss it since I largely stopped paying attention

Saying 'he is asking for too much money' does shit me though! Why fans would side with Dana after 989264788276176x he makes the claim "he doesnt want to fight any more" and the fact is he won't pay is beyond me haha

Don't blame anyone moving off footy even though I haven't. NBA is a good follow, NHL was the best sport I went to but can't follow it as easily.

I just can't handle when I watch UFC one weekend and people are going in on Strickland for getting r*ped by his dad, while he's saying **** transgender people meanwhile hinkley says bye to ginnivan and it's a national story like it might be the biggest Karen sport on earth now

 

[Topkent]

I also think that's the UFCs biggest appeal and why people think it's so great. It's uncut, there really barely is any rules around how the athletes can talk which makes it genuine

 

[burge13]

I just can't handle when I watch UFC one weekend and people are going in on Strickland for getting r*ped by his dad, while he's saying **** transgender people meanwhile hinkley says bye to ginnivan and it's a national story like it might be the biggest Karen sport on earth now

I have NFI why Hinkley didn't fight that fine. Was bizarre

Lamelo Ball just got a $100k fine for saying 'no homo'...

 

[Topkent]

I have NFI why Hinkley didn't fight that fine. Was bizarre

Lamelo Ball just got a $100k fine for saying 'no homo'...

Think he didn't because people are scared in the AFL of not being acceptable to the invisible children

 

[burge13]

I also think that's the UFCs biggest appeal and why people think it's so great. It's uncut, there really barely is any rules around how the athletes can talk which makes it genuine

Another large part is staying TF away from politics but they've jumped the shark there showing Trump video packages...

 

[Topkent]

Another large part is staying TF away from politics but they've jumped the shark there showing Trump video packages...

He was more popular than the fights on the screen there America's ****ed as.
I might be wrong but I think trump got some extra screen time because they needed to fill in the gap of weiderman andyers

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Inactivity is also the UFC fault. They have too many people signed!

UFC guys aren't really fighting any more than boxers. AJs fought more than many top HW for example

Undercards already have barely anyone on them. The UFC does a better job of making jobbers feel big though which makes many cards feel better than they really are

12 v 14 in the rankings gets shit on in boxing but UFC this would be considered a good fight. It's perception overall that UFC does things better but when you actually critique it, do they?

tbh i think the UFC could run a main event every 2 weeks, with a fight night on ever 2 weeks.

would just have to be smart around planning to ensure no shit cards

 

[Topkent]

Just to be clear to, Dana at the post fight said he has no real interest in the Poatan Jon fight and he doesn't wanna make it he thinks it's a dumb idea.
Basically said unless they both ****ing beg him cause they're grown ass men he wants to do the Aspinall fight.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

The UFC can very, very easily pay him $20m. If he were a boxer with his PPV sales he'd likely make double that still

The fight will do at least 800k buys (plus Canada and Australia). at $69.95 per pop that's $56m excluding gate, merch, ads etc.

The UFC do not need to take 80%.

I also don't understand fans fascination with the UFC books. Dana doesn't need another Ferrari, Ari definitely doesn't need more money, yet fans would prefer that than the actual talent making their worth?!

UFC is now a publicly traded company (under the TKO brand).

If they have built up their business and revenue model with a '80% profit margin', how can they change that now?

I'm not defending the Tomato or Hunter or the rest of them, I'm pointing out the business reality.

If they pay Jones 'what he thinks he's worth', then they have to pay the next guy, and the next guy, and so on.

This is why they were willing to let Ngannou go even though he was guaranteed blockbuster for them.

It wasn't about Ngannou, it was about the business model. Which they now have to stick with.

Imagine being an investor into TKO and then Tomato and Hunter start paying fighters above the going rate.

It wouldn't end well for those responsible.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

I might be wrong but I think trump got some extra screen time because they needed to fill in the gap of weiderman andyers

They gave Trump heaps of screen time last time he was there (was it the Colby fight? I can't remember).

Dana and Donald have been friends for almost 20 years, this isn't some new thing.

 

[Topkent]

They gave Trump heaps of screen time last time he was there (was it the Colby fight? I can't remember).

Dana and Donald have been friends for almost 20 years, this isn't some new thing.

No but he got excessive time because Anders Weiderman got pulled late

 

[Topkent]

So JJ is number 2 in the pound for pound now, while I don't agree with Dana's whole he's guaranteed number 1 thing how is Islam #1?
Islam has beaten Charles, Volk x2 and Poirier. Volk was a 145er and nearly won the first fight.
Like it's good, but is it really more than Poatan at 2 different weight classes? Imo Topuria beating Max and Volk and Dricus beating Izzy, Strickland and Rob both have better resumes

 

[burge13]

P4P is dumb but JJ is number 1 easily imo. Islam wouldn't take him down and he takes Topuria/AP down to pummel them. Easy choice

Jones
AP
Islam
Topuria

 

[burge13]

UFC is now a publicly traded company (under the TKO brand).

If they have built up their business and revenue model with a '80% profit margin', how can they change that now?

I'm not defending the Tomato or Hunter or the rest of them, I'm pointing out the business reality.

If they pay Jones 'what he thinks he's worth', then they have to pay the next guy, and the next guy, and so on.

This is why they were willing to let Ngannou go even though he was guaranteed blockbuster for them.

It wasn't about Ngannou, it was about the business model. Which they now have to stick with.

Imagine being an investor into TKO and then Tomato and Hunter start paying fighters above the going rate.

It wouldn't end well for those responsible.

I get it and know that's what they're doing. How many big fights get missed before people tune in less?

Saying "fighter is asking for too much" is dumb. An undercard guy? Sure, they bring nothing in and are all interchangeable. A big fight like this they would bring more profit in by paying up

I hope fans don't fall for the "he doesn't want it anymore" is all.

 

[phantom13]

P4P is dumb but JJ is number 1 easily imo. Islam wouldn't take him down and he takes Topuria/AP down to pummel them. Easy choice

Jones
AP
Islam
Topuria

I think if its meant to be current then Poatan is P4P.

MW/LHW and just wasting 3 guys a year.

Jones has Gane and a 42 year old Miocic in the last 4 years?

Jones is the GOAT and will remain unparalled IMO but RIGHT now, hes probably 3rd on the P4P list.